Comments on: Delinking, linking and blogrolls http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/10/22/delinking-linking-and-blogrolls/ Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:16:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Missy http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/10/22/delinking-linking-and-blogrolls/#comment-1297 Missy Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:41:04 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=575#comment-1297 I truly don't know who links to me and who doesn't. I was suprised to see that you have me in you're blog roll, Bene. As for the whole war thing, well, it's so highly emotinal that sometimes clear thought doesn't enter in. People seem to forget that however you feel about the war, others are equally entitled to feel the opposite, whatever country they are in. Various opinions that can be expressed respectfully are what we're supposed to be about in a democracy. Too bad people forget that disagreeing with the government can be an act of patriotism as much as agreeing with it. I truly don’t know who links to me and who doesn’t. I was suprised to see that you have me in you’re blog roll, Bene.

As for the whole war thing, well, it’s so highly emotinal that sometimes clear thought doesn’t enter in. People seem to forget that however you feel about the war, others are equally entitled to feel the opposite, whatever country they are in. Various opinions that can be expressed respectfully are what we’re supposed to be about in a democracy. Too bad people forget that disagreeing with the government can be an act of patriotism as much as agreeing with it.

]]> By: The Dane http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/10/22/delinking-linking-and-blogrolls/#comment-1296 The Dane Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:23:04 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=575#comment-1296 Oh come off it you guys. We all know that like the United States, Canada is just an outlying province of Southern California. Oh come off it you guys. We all know that like the United States, Canada is just an outlying province of Southern California.

]]> By: Bene Diction http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/10/22/delinking-linking-and-blogrolls/#comment-1295 Bene Diction Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:55:03 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=575#comment-1295 Darren and Jordon: It was difficult for some of our US friends to understand we are not from their country and to separate politics from faith, wasn't it? I am genuinely sorry for what you two have been through and I appreciate what you are saying here and for taking time to say it. Blog on! Darren and Jordon:

It was difficult for some of our US friends to understand we are not from their country and to separate politics from faith, wasn’t it?

I am genuinely sorry for what you two have been through and I appreciate what you are saying here and for taking time to say it. Blog on!

]]> By: Darren Rowse http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/10/22/delinking-linking-and-blogrolls/#comment-1294 Darren Rowse Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:02:27 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=575#comment-1294 strangely enough I think it was my attitude to the war that probably pushed most of my delinks over the edge too... oh well... strangely enough I think it was my attitude to the war that probably pushed most of my delinks over the edge too…

oh well…

]]> By: Jordon Cooper http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/10/22/delinking-linking-and-blogrolls/#comment-1293 Jordon Cooper Thu, 23 Oct 2003 04:36:24 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=575#comment-1293 According to Technorati I have been delinked many times. Many of them happened over my rather "Canadian stance" on the Gulf War II. Now that I think about it, many were in the 20's and were male. Those never bother me much. The ones that do were the ones that were colleagues of mine in my small spiritual tribe south of the border. Some of them were friends and couldn't handle me not supporting the Gulf War and W. I never really talked about it too much but those really hurt and the e-mails that came with them. I joke around and will quietly "de-link" a personal friend as an inside gag because we have talked about it but never over a difference of religious of political opinion. It's funny, Rudy Carassco of Urban Onramps (http://urbanonramps.blogspot.com) had the exact opposite view that I had and have towards the war. Despite that we continued to link to each other during it, even when we really disagreed with one another. I don't remember us arguing about it but his tolerance of my view, made me read carefully his opinions about the Gulf War. For me, his blog and dialogue represented the very best of the blogosphere. Just some thoughts on a crisp Saskatchewan evening. Pax, Jordon According to Technorati I have been delinked many times. Many of them happened over my rather “Canadian stance” on the Gulf War II. Now that I think about it, many were in the 20’s and were male. Those never bother me much. The ones that do were the ones that were colleagues of mine in my small spiritual tribe south of the border. Some of them were friends and couldn’t handle me not supporting the Gulf War and W. I never really talked about it too much but those really hurt and the e-mails that came with them. I joke around and will quietly “de-link” a personal friend as an inside gag because we have talked about it but never over a difference of religious of political opinion.

It’s funny, Rudy Carassco of Urban Onramps (http://urbanonramps.blogspot.com) had the exact opposite view that I had and have towards the war. Despite that we continued to link to each other during it, even when we really disagreed with one another. I don’t remember us arguing about it but his tolerance of my view, made me read carefully his opinions about the Gulf War. For me, his blog and dialogue represented the very best of the blogosphere.

Just some thoughts on a crisp Saskatchewan evening.

Pax,

Jordon

]]> By: Bene Diction http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/10/22/delinking-linking-and-blogrolls/#comment-1292 Bene Diction Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:14:21 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=575#comment-1292 Thanks for that Darren... and good morning to you. I'm signing off and saying good night.:^) Thanks for that Darren…
and good morning to you.
I’m signing off and saying good night.:^)

]]> By: Darren Rowse http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/10/22/delinking-linking-and-blogrolls/#comment-1291 Darren Rowse Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:07:57 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=575#comment-1291 It has happened to me a number of times now. The details are a little fuzzy now but here is what I remember of three instances. I'm not exactly sure of the ages of the people - however each time it was a male - two times they were 'younger' (20s or 30s) and one time it was a middle aged person. They were church leaders of different types. The impression I got was that they had initially latched onto my blog and linked to me because they agreed with something I said - but they didn't really check out what I was doing or who I was. (it was a bit of an impulse linking - not one that came out of a relationship). The delinking came when I said something or another that didn't sit right theologically or politically. Thats life I guess. It initially caused me a little concern (I don't like to cause conflict) but now it doesn't really bother me. I'm more interested now in developing relationships with those that read my blog and resourcing others to get into the conversation we have. If in the process people delink or link - its their prerogative. I need a coffee, its too early to be thinking about this sort of stuff! :-) It has happened to me a number of times now. The details are a little fuzzy now but here is what I remember of three instances.

I’m not exactly sure of the ages of the people - however each time it was a male - two times they were ‘younger’ (20s or 30s) and one time it was a middle aged person.

They were church leaders of different types. The impression I got was that they had initially latched onto my blog and linked to me because they agreed with something I said - but they didn’t really check out what I was doing or who I was. (it was a bit of an impulse linking - not one that came out of a relationship).

The delinking came when I said something or another that didn’t sit right theologically or politically.

Thats life I guess. It initially caused me a little concern (I don’t like to cause conflict) but now it doesn’t really bother me. I’m more interested now in developing relationships with those that read my blog and resourcing others to get into the conversation we have. If in the process people delink or link - its their prerogative.

I need a coffee, its too early to be thinking about this sort of stuff! :-)

]]> By: Richard Hall http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/10/22/delinking-linking-and-blogrolls/#comment-1290 Richard Hall Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:23:23 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=575#comment-1290 Maybe "Blogually Transmitted Diseases" will wind up in a blog dictionary Now that would be something! Maybe “Blogually Transmitted Diseases” will wind up in a blog dictionary
Now that would be something!

]]> By: Bene Diction http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/10/22/delinking-linking-and-blogrolls/#comment-1289 Bene Diction Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:50:26 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=575#comment-1289 Jordon: A pretty good example of some of what you are saying happened this week at the blog, I took the Red Pill. Iphy is looking for a church, and quite candidly posted thoughts and feelings about a Sunday visit to a church. Somehow, the minister found the blog and the post. I felt really sorry for the guy. He had trouble handling her opinion. I Took the Red Pill owned her thoughts and feelings well. The commenters (male and female) showed reasonable restaint. The minister tried to interact and his words fell flatter than a punctured helium ballon. He just dug himself in deeper. It had to hurt. I honestly believe he didn't realize how defensive, patriarchial, condescending, judgemental and rigid he was in his communication. Seemed like a nice enough fellow. Last I saw, he bowed out and invited people to email him. I think that's probably a safer way for him because email has easier boundaries. Jordon:

A pretty good example of some of what you are saying happened this week at the blog, I took the Red Pill.

Iphy is looking for a church, and quite candidly posted thoughts and feelings about a Sunday visit to a church.

Somehow, the minister found the blog and the post.
I felt really sorry for the guy.
He had trouble handling her opinion.
I Took the Red Pill owned her thoughts and feelings well.
The commenters (male and female) showed reasonable restaint.

The minister tried to interact and his words fell flatter than a punctured helium ballon.
He just dug himself in deeper. It had to hurt.
I honestly believe he didn’t realize how defensive, patriarchial, condescending, judgemental and rigid he was in his communication. Seemed like a nice enough fellow.

Last I saw, he bowed out and invited people to email him. I think that’s probably a safer way for him because email has easier boundaries.

]]> By: Jordon Cooper http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/10/22/delinking-linking-and-blogrolls/#comment-1288 Jordon Cooper Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:28:51 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=575#comment-1288 Several friends of mine have worked with groups of pastors and religious leaders before. While many are very emotionally stable and mature, they have wondered aloud that many have not matured emotionally and seem stunted. The more I think about it, the more I realize that many people like that find solice in the church. Heirarchical, male driven (regretably) with clear boundaries. It is when they are moved out of those places our comfort and fences and move out into a world that may be more adequately defined by place markers rather than a clear path, they become angry and irate. It's odd, your blog is read by more people in a week then go to most churches. That kind of world is unsettling because it is hard to control and changing. For some people, like Pete Ward who wrote Liquid Church, it is a cool world in which God can do amazing things. For others, they feel as if God can't do anything to stop the dying world we are leaving behind. Sorry for the long winded rant! Pax, Jordon Several friends of mine have worked with groups of pastors and religious leaders before. While many are very emotionally stable and mature, they have wondered aloud that many have not matured emotionally and seem stunted.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that many people like that find solice in the church. Heirarchical, male driven (regretably) with clear boundaries. It is when they are moved out of those places our comfort and fences and move out into a world that may be more adequately defined by place markers rather than a clear path, they become angry and irate.

It’s odd, your blog is read by more people in a week then go to most churches. That kind of world is unsettling because it is hard to control and changing. For some people, like Pete Ward who wrote Liquid Church, it is a cool world in which God can do amazing things. For others, they feel as if God can’t do anything to stop the dying world we are leaving behind.

Sorry for the long winded rant!

Pax,

Jordon

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