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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/11/06/abuse/#comment-1372</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2003 02:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sorry you are irritated Jen, and I have no intention of taking you up on your offer to delete you. 
You are my guest, and I see no reason why your opinions and feelings wouldn't be honoured.
You are most welcome to draw any conclusions you want to.

The only question I'd have about your ABC model is that singularizing a group (and to use my model - are you saying they are R?) doesn't account for the wealth of wisdom, viewpoints and advantages of others. I don't believe a P-V-R model is static in an individual or individuals. I think it can change in seconds. Do you think people are more complex than either/or? Blog on!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry you are irritated Jen, and I have no intention of taking you up on your offer to delete you.<br />
You are my guest, and I see no reason why your opinions and feelings wouldn&#8217;t be honoured.<br />
You are most welcome to draw any conclusions you want to.</p>
<p>The only question I&#8217;d have about your ABC model is that singularizing a group (and to use my model - are you saying they are R?) doesn&#8217;t account for the wealth of wisdom, viewpoints and advantages of others. I don&#8217;t believe a P-V-R model is static in an individual or individuals. I think it can change in seconds. Do you think people are more complex than either/or? Blog on!</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/11/06/abuse/#comment-1371</link>
		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2003 02:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm saying that you need to leave those who are not directly involved in this argument (i.e. everyone but you and the person who wrote the email) out of it because it really feels like you're begging for sympathy and I know (since I've unfortunately had to watch you and the other person's communication) that you're only posting part of the story.

And for the record, triangling is when person A has a problem with person B but fails to work it out with person B.  Instead... they go to person C and create a bigger chasm between them and person B.  Person C distances themselves from person B.  Your blogging audience is person C.  If you're pissed off at this person, that's fine but don't create a stink online.  For those of us who know what's going on, it's irritating to watch.

And if you want to delete this comment, be my guest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m saying that you need to leave those who are not directly involved in this argument (i.e. everyone but you and the person who wrote the email) out of it because it really feels like you&#8217;re begging for sympathy and I know (since I&#8217;ve unfortunately had to watch you and the other person&#8217;s communication) that you&#8217;re only posting part of the story.</p>
<p>And for the record, triangling is when person A has a problem with person B but fails to work it out with person B.  Instead&#8230; they go to person C and create a bigger chasm between them and person B.  Person C distances themselves from person B.  Your blogging audience is person C.  If you&#8217;re pissed off at this person, that&#8217;s fine but don&#8217;t create a stink online.  For those of us who know what&#8217;s going on, it&#8217;s irritating to watch.</p>
<p>And if you want to delete this comment, be my guest.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/11/06/abuse/#comment-1370</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2003 20:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jen:

I'm not sure what assumptions you are making here.
Fighting isn't what this post is about.
How is it not Christian to point out difficulties we face as believers in communicating?
And as for triangling, you've genuinely lost me.
If you would like to discuss this and help me understand where you are coming from, please email me. Blog on!

PS: Triangling is most often found in step-families, but can occur in other social situations if people chose.
One person unconsciously chooses the role of the Persecutor ("P"). S/He blames or criticizes the Victim ("V") for something, causing the Rescuer ("R") to defend the Victim. Roles can alternate.
Triangling occurs when the following comfort factors are not met:  feeling respected, safe, and  satisfied.
Thanks for your concern Jen, how does traingling apply to the point of this post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what assumptions you are making here.<br />
Fighting isn&#8217;t what this post is about.<br />
How is it not Christian to point out difficulties we face as believers in communicating?<br />
And as for triangling, you&#8217;ve genuinely lost me.<br />
If you would like to discuss this and help me understand where you are coming from, please email me. Blog on!</p>
<p>PS: Triangling is most often found in step-families, but can occur in other social situations if people chose.<br />
One person unconsciously chooses the role of the Persecutor (&#8221;P&#8221;). S/He blames or criticizes the Victim (&#8221;V&#8221;) for something, causing the Rescuer (&#8221;R&#8221;) to defend the Victim. Roles can alternate.<br />
Triangling occurs when the following comfort factors are not met:  feeling respected, safe, and  satisfied.<br />
Thanks for your concern Jen, how does traingling apply to the point of this post?</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/11/06/abuse/#comment-1369</link>
		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2003 20:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about doing the Christian thing and not triangling the rest of us into your fight with the person who sent you the email?  It's between you two and it should stay between you two, not be posted for the rest of us to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about doing the Christian thing and not triangling the rest of us into your fight with the person who sent you the email?  It&#8217;s between you two and it should stay between you two, not be posted for the rest of us to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/11/06/abuse/#comment-1368</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2003 07:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you can do is let the person know you care about the relationship, yet keeping the boundaries clear.  Their anger is their issue.  Sometimes we just have to accept that this other person does not truly accept/like us.  Maybe pray for the woundedness that causes this.  Definately pray.  = )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you can do is let the person know you care about the relationship, yet keeping the boundaries clear.  Their anger is their issue.  Sometimes we just have to accept that this other person does not truly accept/like us.  Maybe pray for the woundedness that causes this.  Definately pray.  = )</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/11/06/abuse/#comment-1367</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2003 00:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug:

I agree with them also.
Given the monastic experience, it was right and proper then that I was the individual removed from the community because of my disruptiveness.

I actually have no problem with that premise.
I sinned, and for that there are consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug:</p>
<p>I agree with them also.<br />
Given the monastic experience, it was right and proper then that I was the individual removed from the community because of my disruptiveness.</p>
<p>I actually have no problem with that premise.<br />
I sinned, and for that there are consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/11/06/abuse/#comment-1366</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2003 00:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bene, I agree with those who caution that nothing can be done right now to reconcile matters. I've learned, painfully, that there are some in the church who do not want reconcilation, or even see their need of it. The usual responsea are attempts to manage the fallout of their actions rather than asking them to account for them. In our zeal to "love the sinner" sin and its attendent behaviors rampage through the common life of a congregation and between its constituents. Monasitce communities have learned from hard experience that individuals who disrupt the community with their demands for control should be removed from the community. Local churches have much to learn from this. Past misuse of this is no reason for its disuse now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bene, I agree with those who caution that nothing can be done right now to reconcile matters. I&#8217;ve learned, painfully, that there are some in the church who do not want reconcilation, or even see their need of it. The usual responsea are attempts to manage the fallout of their actions rather than asking them to account for them. In our zeal to &#8220;love the sinner&#8221; sin and its attendent behaviors rampage through the common life of a congregation and between its constituents. Monasitce communities have learned from hard experience that individuals who disrupt the community with their demands for control should be removed from the community. Local churches have much to learn from this. Past misuse of this is no reason for its disuse now.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/11/06/abuse/#comment-1365</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jordon:

Yep.

Assuming (big assumption) they read this, they can make their own choice about what they think, feel, want, do.
I have no expectations, it took time to let those go.
For some of us confronted with broken relationships, that's what mediators are for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordon:</p>
<p>Yep.</p>
<p>Assuming (big assumption) they read this, they can make their own choice about what they think, feel, want, do.<br />
I have no expectations, it took time to let those go.<br />
For some of us confronted with broken relationships, that&#8217;s what mediators are for.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/11/06/abuse/#comment-1364</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2003 23:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pieter:

I think it is apparent this type of correspondance isn't a discussion, and yes; out of self-respect and other-respect I will limit what I say.
It is 'real' to the sender and that is something anybody who receives this type of correspondence has to come to terms with.

I posted this to help others as I have been helped.
Boundaries can be hard sometimes. 
Ownership of our own feelings, sin, personality, attitudes etc. can be painful.
Letting go of our 'rights' is a daily struggle.
Accountability begins with self, God and with true friends that aren't afraid to say look at your own emotions, attitudes and ideas and motives. What does God require of you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pieter:</p>
<p>I think it is apparent this type of correspondance isn&#8217;t a discussion, and yes; out of self-respect and other-respect I will limit what I say.<br />
It is &#8216;real&#8217; to the sender and that is something anybody who receives this type of correspondence has to come to terms with.</p>
<p>I posted this to help others as I have been helped.<br />
Boundaries can be hard sometimes.<br />
Ownership of our own feelings, sin, personality, attitudes etc. can be painful.<br />
Letting go of our &#8216;rights&#8217; is a daily struggle.<br />
Accountability begins with self, God and with true friends that aren&#8217;t afraid to say look at your own emotions, attitudes and ideas and motives. What does God require of you?</p>
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		<title>By: Jordon Cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2003/11/06/abuse/#comment-1363</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordon Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming that the person reads your blog, I think the situation has probably been ruined beyond repair if they read this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming that the person reads your blog, I think the situation has probably been ruined beyond repair if they read this.</p>
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