A depressed man gave 126 thousand dollars to a Florida church five years ago and has been trying to get it back.
The church says they can’t because the money was used to build a family ministry space. Apparently church officials and 55 year old Marcel Mager tried to work it out, with the church holding the line on a firm no.

So Mager is suing.

Mager might have a difficult time getting his money back in court, said Richard Hammar, an expert in church law and tax code in Springfield, Mo. Hammar publishes a nationwide newsletter on church finances, Church Law & Tax Report.

Mager’s only hope is to prove he was not of sound mind when he made the donation, Hammar said.

But that can be extremely difficult because families of people with more permanent mental ailments - such as Alzheimer’s disease - have failed to get large donations overturned, Hammar said. “He really has an uphill battle.”

At the time, Mager says he didn’t do it to spite his ex-wife, and the church says his letter that came with the donation expressed remorse for past deeds.

This is sticky, isn’t it?
He gave it anonymously, and in a state of deep grief. I think we have to stop pretending the break-up of a marriage is no big deal.
And although a charitable act is good for the soul, this is definitely one of those times where soothing grief or conscience comes back to bite the person who tried to buy their way out.
The fact church leaders don’t have any to give back is a bit troubling assuming they have acted in good faith.
Court probably won’t resolve the differences, looks like a no-win, no-win.

Taps
There are so many military funerals in the US there are not enough buglers to lend their services. So, Taps has gone electronic.

The bugle plays a startlingly realistic, but recorded, rendition of “Taps” out of an electronic player that slips into the bell of a real bugle.

“We really appreciate these guys; they do a great job whether it’s 70 degrees outside or 30 below and raining,” Eric Trimble, president of Trimble Funeral Homes, said of Moline’s American Legion Post 246. “That’s why we wanted them to have it. … It was just in the last two years the federal government allowed playing a electric version of `Taps’ at funeral services because there weren’t enough bugle players.”

When a bugle player wasn’t available, that usually meant the sound came from a boom box CD player or cassette tape player.

This is sad. The bugle doesn’t have valves like a trumpet and takes practice and continued work. Some of the most healing and moving moments I’ve experienced at funerals have been the lone bugler or piper. And having been in a marching band, I know that weather and emotion foils the most perfect player, and that is what can make it all the more poignant and soulful.
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Comment Spam
As comment spam becomes more prevalent on blogs the discussion about what to do about it is heating up. Some well-known bloggers are dealing with up to 500 a day. And even putting the word spam in a post is sending spammers my way.
I’m starting to get a fair bit. Spammers target archives, and often do a cut-and-paste hit and run with a personal comment.
Tech types are churning out all kinds of tools. The MT blacklist I use helps, but if the spammers are spoofing, I’m probably blocking legitimate URL’s.

There are practical things we can do. Blogs are social software, and spammers completely understand that.
Turning off comments in the archives is one solution.
Not having comments is another.
I think we need to simmer down a bit. The comments section was flooded the other day, and throughly frustrated with several things I snarked at a few friends on messenger as I cleaned up.
It isn’t worth my peace of mind.

In other words, we take it personally, while the comment spammers take it professionally, and we’ll never win the battle with odds such as these.

I used to take it personally until I started following the actions of the comment spammers. Now, sorry for offending folks, I’m filled with admiration for them. I still think that Tim O’Reilly should have featured comment, and email, spammers as speakers at the Emerging Tech Conference. These people really do know the concepts behind social software, and we could do well to emulate them. In other words, they learn from watching us? We should learn by watching them.

I think Burningbird is right. Technicans tend to want to throw codes at everything. Most of us who blog aren’t equipped to enter complex whatevers.
Most of us aren’t going to give up our comments sections.
Most of us aren’t going to go to a wiki or Tribe format.
I’m not going to do that to my blog or my readers.
I think next time I delete comment spam that has slipped past the filters, I won’t take it out on messenger buddies either.

Who Links Who
Speaking of useful things, WLW hasn’t been able to run lately and I’ve missed it. Dave King of Idea Joy built a great idea that I’ve been relying on since I started blogging. I asked him what is wrong and apparently there is loading exception that needs to be fixed at the other end. Maybe we could send an email Idea Joy’s way and encourage a real busy and faithful guy eh?

Bush-Martin Vibes
Leaders don’t have to get along to set the tone for their countries relationships and best interests. But it sends a clear message to the bureaucrats that deal with the day to day.
Canadian news has been filled with the good vibes meeting between the two leaders who have a great deal in common on a personal level.


10 Responses to “Give it back!”

  1. 1 Dave King 

    Actully to be persise, the error happens when the list loads, I haven’t tracked down where the fix needs to happen.

    - Peace

  2. 2 Bene Diction 

    LoL…thanks Dave, I wouldn’t presume to know.:^)
    All I know is that WLW is valuable and missed. Many of us really appreciate what you do, and I don’t want to step on any tech toes. Blog on!

  3. 3 Richard Hall 

    I’ve missed wlw too - it has been a very useful tool. Dave: I hope you can fix it but even if you can’t, thanks for all you’ve done.

  4. 4 Pressed 

    The story about the depressed man giving money to the church and then wanting it back is very interesting. And the whole blog spam thing, *uhgg* I was just boasting to Mr. Wright the other day about how my blog never gets blog spam and then suddenly within the last couple days I have been hit a few times… But I use black list. I hate spam….

  5. 5 Rachel C 

    Great post BD :) It’s pretty sad that a donation — a gift-giving moment — has been turned into the kind of mess that is shared the world over on the Internet.

  6. 6 Jonathan 

    I think there are stil some options beyond closing comments or leaving them wide open/partially protected. For instance, implementing a sign-in based commenting system: only registered users can comment. Or, (and this might be better), adding a randomly generated PICTURE of a number to be used as a passcode for each comment. Spambots can’t read the picture, but humans can, and typing in a few digits in addition to your user name and blog/email address shouldn’t be too much of an inconvenience to most people. There may be other workable ideas, but those are a couple that I think could be used quite effectively.

  7. 7 Rich 

    Oh for Pete’s sake!!! The church ought to give the $$ back if they can. If they truly can’t and it’s been spent, oh well. Either way, it’s pretty sad.

    Comment spam you say? Finally!!! A good reason to be low profile!!! ;^D

  8. 8 Bene Diction 

    Jonathan:

    I must be a complete dinasour. The day my favorite blogs require a sign in to comment, I quit.
    I think that is an extreme approach. Spammers are smart enough to get past a sign in?

    Rich…a matter of time…just a matter of time:^)

  9. 9 homer jay 

    The guy forked over 126K!! To a church! I think that in it’s own right proves he was not of sound mind. Hopefully he’ll get his money back.

  10. 10 Alison 

    Recently a church in Kansas City returned approximately $667,000 (2/3 of a 3-year pledge). The donor was a local pharmacist who, for the past 10 years, had diluted cancer, pain, and other medication to make himself a millionaire and had pledged $1 million to his church for its new building (he used his pledge to the church as an excuse for his behavior, although his behavior went far beyond the 3-year pledge). Although the church had no doubt spent all or most of the money, they returned the amount donated by this awful man to the victims and survivor of victims fund. Legally I don’t think they had to do that, so I really applaud the church. However, I wonder about the church’s lack of discernment for giving this murderer so many positions of authority in the church over the years, probably because of his material wealth.

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