Comments on: Their Will be Done http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2004/03/26/their-will-be-done/ Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:26:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Gary Petersen http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2004/03/26/their-will-be-done/#comment-2092 Gary Petersen Wed, 31 Mar 2004 03:55:46 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=765#comment-2092 Don't worry about writing stuff that might offend us, your neighbors to the south. Shoot, we generally find a way to get offended by just about ANYTHING! Don’t worry about writing stuff that might offend us, your neighbors to the south. Shoot, we generally find a way to get offended by just about ANYTHING!

]]> By: Bene Diction http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2004/03/26/their-will-be-done/#comment-2091 Bene Diction Sat, 27 Mar 2004 01:52:41 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=765#comment-2091 From where I sit, I have to look at where James Heflin has been. And to where he is going with this. Reconstructionists and the Baptists may well not be on the same escatalogical page, but I'm hard pressed to deny that politics makes strange bedfellows. From where I sit, I have to look at where James Heflin has been. And to where he is going with this.
Reconstructionists and the Baptists may well not be on the same escatalogical page, but I’m hard pressed to deny that politics makes strange bedfellows.

]]> By: Mark Byron http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2004/03/26/their-will-be-done/#comment-2090 Mark Byron Fri, 26 Mar 2004 22:14:45 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=765#comment-2090 I don't know if they've taken a stand that I know of; they're not overly political. I don’t know if they’ve taken a stand that I know of; they’re not overly political.

]]> By: devil's advocate http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2004/03/26/their-will-be-done/#comment-2089 devil's advocate Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:19:34 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=765#comment-2089 That bill won't pass, but the story does say exactly that. You may be right that these "theocons" aren't "closet Reconstructionists," but few if any would oppose a Reconstructionist state. THey're more like "unwitting Reconstructionists." What is the Vineyard's take regarding separation of church and state? That bill won’t pass, but the story does say exactly that. You may be right that these “theocons” aren’t “closet Reconstructionists,” but few if any would oppose a Reconstructionist state. THey’re more like “unwitting Reconstructionists.”

What is the Vineyard’s take regarding separation of church and state?

]]> By: Mark Byron http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2004/03/26/their-will-be-done/#comment-2088 Mark Byron Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:47:02 +0000 http://ss75.shared.server-system.net/~benedictionblogson.com/?p=765#comment-2088 A few points on the piece (1) The Constitution Restoration Act has a snowball's chance in Hades of passing. While the idea of using the Constitutional power of Congress to limit the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court is being bantied about in conservative circles; that bill in question would be lucky to get 25% support, let alone the 60% needed to get past a Senate fillibuster. (2) Helflin does a bait and swich by combining Reconstructionists and Southern Baptists. Baptists lean towards a premillennial theology, where Reconstrustionists are postmillennial; the two might agree on the general political direction desired, the two aren't on the same escatalogical page. Reconstructionists are a distinct minority in the evangelical community; I've seen one in 19 years in various evangelical circles. While Heflin didn't directly link the two, the less-astute reader would assume that theocons are closet Reconstructionists. (3) Heflin has a fine whine made from liberal Baptist sour grapes. In places like the PCUSA and the Episcopal Church, the liberals wound up ruling the roost and ousting the conservatives. In the SBC, the liberals/moderates got the short end of the stick and were given the left foot of disfellowship; the center-left of the SBC took off and formed the Cooperative Baptists. As a former Southern Baptist (actually, since I've not formally become a member of either Vineyard church I've attended in the last four years, I'm technically still a Southern Baptist) I find his take of the denomination a bit overwrought, to say the least. A few points on the piece

(1) The Constitution Restoration Act has a snowball’s chance in Hades of passing. While the idea of using the Constitutional power of Congress to limit the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court is being bantied about in conservative circles; that bill in question would be lucky to get 25% support, let alone the 60% needed to get past a Senate fillibuster.

(2) Helflin does a bait and swich by combining Reconstructionists and Southern Baptists. Baptists lean towards a premillennial theology, where Reconstrustionists are postmillennial; the two might agree on the general political direction desired, the two aren’t on the same escatalogical page. Reconstructionists are a distinct minority in the evangelical community; I’ve seen one in 19 years in various evangelical circles. While Heflin didn’t directly link the two, the less-astute reader would assume that theocons are closet Reconstructionists.

(3) Heflin has a fine whine made from liberal Baptist sour grapes. In places like the PCUSA and the Episcopal Church, the liberals wound up ruling the roost and ousting the conservatives. In the SBC, the liberals/moderates got the short end of the stick and were given the left foot of disfellowship; the center-left of the SBC took off and formed the Cooperative Baptists.

As a former Southern Baptist (actually, since I’ve not formally become a member of either Vineyard church I’ve attended in the last four years, I’m technically still a Southern Baptist) I find his take of the denomination a bit overwrought, to say the least.

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