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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/01/21/whats-wrong-with-me/#comment-3746</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 03:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A multi-party system has it's pros and cons.

We have more than our share of problems in Canada, and our parliamentary system can get paralysed or actually get something done.
Maybe it's why Ottawa bashing is a national sport.;^)



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A multi-party system has it&#8217;s pros and cons.</p>
<p>We have more than our share of problems in Canada, and our parliamentary system can get paralysed or actually get something done.<br />
Maybe it&#8217;s why Ottawa bashing is a national sport.;^)</p>
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		<title>By: alicia</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/01/21/whats-wrong-with-me/#comment-3745</link>
		<dc:creator>alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real problem is that in the recent US elections we really did not have any good choices.  Both parties have so marginalized issues that those of us who have Bible based Christan values on all aspects of life had to choke down dismay at both parties.  Maybe it is different in countries with a multi-party system?  I personally was extremely upset with Mr. Bush concerning the war in Iraq and his waffling on embryonic stem cell research.  But Mr. Kerry's blatant political opportunism and hypocrisy were even worse, as I judged things to be.  I'm not a single issue voter, but the basic right to life (from conception to natural death) and the protection of sexual morality (encouraging marriage as defined in the Bible, discouraging promiscuity) come pretty high on my list of values.  Also, I believe that the US Constitution deserves a strict interpretation, and I want a president who will nominate judges who hold that view.  If the people do not like what the constitution says, there are legitimate methods to make those changes, involving the Congress and the state legislatures.
There are other important social and economic issues to be addressed, but the president of the USA is not really the one who has the real power there.  Many of these are local or regional or the power of the presidency is more on of suasion, not dictation.  Hence my decision (hard thought and very difficult0 to vote for Mr. Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problem is that in the recent US elections we really did not have any good choices.  Both parties have so marginalized issues that those of us who have Bible based Christan values on all aspects of life had to choke down dismay at both parties.  Maybe it is different in countries with a multi-party system?  I personally was extremely upset with Mr. Bush concerning the war in Iraq and his waffling on embryonic stem cell research.  But Mr. Kerry&#8217;s blatant political opportunism and hypocrisy were even worse, as I judged things to be.  I&#8217;m not a single issue voter, but the basic right to life (from conception to natural death) and the protection of sexual morality (encouraging marriage as defined in the Bible, discouraging promiscuity) come pretty high on my list of values.  Also, I believe that the US Constitution deserves a strict interpretation, and I want a president who will nominate judges who hold that view.  If the people do not like what the constitution says, there are legitimate methods to make those changes, involving the Congress and the state legislatures.<br />
There are other important social and economic issues to be addressed, but the president of the USA is not really the one who has the real power there.  Many of these are local or regional or the power of the presidency is more on of suasion, not dictation.  Hence my decision (hard thought and very difficult0 to vote for Mr. Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/01/21/whats-wrong-with-me/#comment-3744</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 06:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Bene, thank you for the outlet and the courtesy.
I've no more to say, really, except to submit to everyone that all of us -- whatever our "side" -- can do better at remembering there are real people behind the labels and criticisms we throw around. It's a lesson I always seem to become aware of too late. But I'm trying.

Thanks again, Bene, for facilitating, in no small way, all of our attempts to love our neighbors, regardless of their politics or theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Bene, thank you for the outlet and the courtesy.<br />
I&#8217;ve no more to say, really, except to submit to everyone that all of us &#8212; whatever our &#8220;side&#8221; &#8212; can do better at remembering there are real people behind the labels and criticisms we throw around. It&#8217;s a lesson I always seem to become aware of too late. But I&#8217;m trying.</p>
<p>Thanks again, Bene, for facilitating, in no small way, all of our attempts to love our neighbors, regardless of their politics or theology.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/01/21/whats-wrong-with-me/#comment-3743</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 04:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are not ignorant Jared, and I never thought about what colour state you lived in.:^)

They hurt. The labels hurt. I only know I've wounded when someone slaps them on me.:^( 

I don't think we are going to have mutual respect and a real Christian community on a global level, it's just idealism and dreams from people such as myself at BDBO. 
We god-bloggers are tribal. I'm stunned at how quickly aggregators are inadvertantly fostering that tribalism although that not is the intent.

(been verbally beatup my self lately - this may not be helpful)

I'm sorry too Jared. I can only address my own intent.
I will fail, and maybe all I can be glad for is that people can come over to BDBO, say ouch, be heard and walk away knowing they are not condemned for articulately their pain.

If it helps Canadians have a rich history of bashing our government. And when we speak to other governments it is to policy of an administration, not the people of the country.

I appreciate the courage of your venting. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are not ignorant Jared, and I never thought about what colour state you lived in.:^)</p>
<p>They hurt. The labels hurt. I only know I&#8217;ve wounded when someone slaps them on me.:^( </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we are going to have mutual respect and a real Christian community on a global level, it&#8217;s just idealism and dreams from people such as myself at BDBO.<br />
We god-bloggers are tribal. I&#8217;m stunned at how quickly aggregators are inadvertantly fostering that tribalism although that not is the intent.</p>
<p>(been verbally beatup my self lately - this may not be helpful)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry too Jared. I can only address my own intent.<br />
I will fail, and maybe all I can be glad for is that people can come over to BDBO, say ouch, be heard and walk away knowing they are not condemned for articulately their pain.</p>
<p>If it helps Canadians have a rich history of bashing our government. And when we speak to other governments it is to policy of an administration, not the people of the country.</p>
<p>I appreciate the courage of your venting. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/01/21/whats-wrong-with-me/#comment-3742</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, actually I take issue with more than just those comments. It's the general spirit I find present on blogs (such as this one occasionally and on others like Messy Christian's) against -- well, I'll be honest about it -- conservative Christians.
I am condescended to, passive-aggressively belittled, etc.. I have to feel like I am unenlightened or intolerant or bigoted or narrow-minded or a "sheep" or a Nazi or a fascist or whatever.

I sincerely apologize for those in my "camp" who are idiots and do not represent evangelicalism or conservatism or American Christianity well. I am embarrassed about them. But I assumed that on sites like this, some charity might be found. We're not all like that, but I have to constantly feel like I am. And from the same folks who are constantly complaining that folks like me are intolerant toward folks like them.

Calling Republicans/evangelicals/conservatives or whatever Them people are criticizing "the Taliban" (or Nazis or fascists or zombies, as I've seen on other sites) does not contribute to meaningful and constructive dialogue. How do "you" expect "us" to respect and hear "you" when "you" are busy belittling and stereotyping "us"?

("You" is in quotes, because I don't mean you, Bene.)

Thanks for allowing this ignorant red-stater room to vent. I am all for communication and mutual respect and a real Christian community on a global level (the Web is a great means to that, isn't it?), but it will require humility and respect and open ears on both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, actually I take issue with more than just those comments. It&#8217;s the general spirit I find present on blogs (such as this one occasionally and on others like Messy Christian&#8217;s) against &#8212; well, I&#8217;ll be honest about it &#8212; conservative Christians.<br />
I am condescended to, passive-aggressively belittled, etc.. I have to feel like I am unenlightened or intolerant or bigoted or narrow-minded or a &#8220;sheep&#8221; or a Nazi or a fascist or whatever.</p>
<p>I sincerely apologize for those in my &#8220;camp&#8221; who are idiots and do not represent evangelicalism or conservatism or American Christianity well. I am embarrassed about them. But I assumed that on sites like this, some charity might be found. We&#8217;re not all like that, but I have to constantly feel like I am. And from the same folks who are constantly complaining that folks like me are intolerant toward folks like them.</p>
<p>Calling Republicans/evangelicals/conservatives or whatever Them people are criticizing &#8220;the Taliban&#8221; (or Nazis or fascists or zombies, as I&#8217;ve seen on other sites) does not contribute to meaningful and constructive dialogue. How do &#8220;you&#8221; expect &#8220;us&#8221; to respect and hear &#8220;you&#8221; when &#8220;you&#8221; are busy belittling and stereotyping &#8220;us&#8221;?</p>
<p>(&#8221;You&#8221; is in quotes, because I don&#8217;t mean you, Bene.)</p>
<p>Thanks for allowing this ignorant red-stater room to vent. I am all for communication and mutual respect and a real Christian community on a global level (the Web is a great means to that, isn&#8217;t it?), but it will require humility and respect and open ears on both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/01/21/whats-wrong-with-me/#comment-3741</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 02:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does Jared.
Odd eh?
Four countries are represented in this thread and the comments you take issue with are from the US. 

I'm sure anyone here would be willing to discuss your concerns with you. You are very welcome to use this comment section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does Jared.<br />
Odd eh?<br />
Four countries are represented in this thread and the comments you take issue with are from the US. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure anyone here would be willing to discuss your concerns with you. You are very welcome to use this comment section.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/01/21/whats-wrong-with-me/#comment-3740</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 01:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I humbly suggest that it can also be disappointing to visit non-US god-blogs and find just as much energy put into putting people like me -- white, American, evangelical -- into boxes as I see evidence of what you all claim goes on on American god-blogs about others?

I mean, seriously -- "the Taliban"?

If it's really honest, understanding dialogue that's wanted, we could do without much of the self-righteousness and passive-aggressive condescension aimed at we ignorant "red staters."

Just trying to say that marginalization and stereotyping cuts both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might I humbly suggest that it can also be disappointing to visit non-US god-blogs and find just as much energy put into putting people like me &#8212; white, American, evangelical &#8212; into boxes as I see evidence of what you all claim goes on on American god-blogs about others?</p>
<p>I mean, seriously &#8212; &#8220;the Taliban&#8221;?</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s really honest, understanding dialogue that&#8217;s wanted, we could do without much of the self-righteousness and passive-aggressive condescension aimed at we ignorant &#8220;red staters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just trying to say that marginalization and stereotyping cuts both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link to Domke.  They have a discussion over there about the Purpose Driven Live study, and how common it's become.

I mentioned that my brother received a copy of the book from fellow marines when he got out a few months ago.  He's never been heavy into the faith, yet he showed me this book and seemed really excited about it.

Like Domke mentions at the end of his piece, aparently we now have our own version of the taliban.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link to Domke.  They have a discussion over there about the Purpose Driven Live study, and how common it&#8217;s become.</p>
<p>I mentioned that my brother received a copy of the book from fellow marines when he got out a few months ago.  He&#8217;s never been heavy into the faith, yet he showed me this book and seemed really excited about it.</p>
<p>Like Domke mentions at the end of his piece, aparently we now have our own version of the taliban.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene DIction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/01/21/whats-wrong-with-me/#comment-3738</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene DIction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 22:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rich:

*though I really see myself self as part of the greater whole of the world faith community) may I apologize for the flaming you have mentioned.*

Thank you. 
It is so silly seeing someone representing a pov of a US political party out on blogs in the Philippines, Maylasia, etc., putting fellow believers into little boxes and being so strident and naive about it.
Mostly sad though.
And seeing god-bloggers pile into US posts that criticise a well known religious leader with anger and in your face attitude is really sad.
It's like we speak english, but don't.
At least with this medium we have a more open opportunity (as opposed to threads etc)to listen and to talk, and I wouldn't trade that off.
Again thanks Rich, your civility matters and makes a difference. Blog on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rich:</p>
<p>*though I really see myself self as part of the greater whole of the world faith community) may I apologize for the flaming you have mentioned.*</p>
<p>Thank you.<br />
It is so silly seeing someone representing a pov of a US political party out on blogs in the Philippines, Maylasia, etc., putting fellow believers into little boxes and being so strident and naive about it.<br />
Mostly sad though.<br />
And seeing god-bloggers pile into US posts that criticise a well known religious leader with anger and in your face attitude is really sad.<br />
It&#8217;s like we speak english, but don&#8217;t.<br />
At least with this medium we have a more open opportunity (as opposed to threads etc)to listen and to talk, and I wouldn&#8217;t trade that off.<br />
Again thanks Rich, your civility matters and makes a difference. Blog on!</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/01/21/whats-wrong-with-me/#comment-3737</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an informal member of the US-faith blog community (though I really see myself self as part of the greater whole of the world faith community) may I apologize for the flaming you have mentioned.  That is just wrong.  You are most certainly entitled to your own pov and you should not be mistreated for it!


I personally try to stay out of political issues just b/c they are such controversial issues and tend to lead toward division amongst fellow Believers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an informal member of the US-faith blog community (though I really see myself self as part of the greater whole of the world faith community) may I apologize for the flaming you have mentioned.  That is just wrong.  You are most certainly entitled to your own pov and you should not be mistreated for it!</p>
<p>I personally try to stay out of political issues just b/c they are such controversial issues and tend to lead toward division amongst fellow Believers.</p>
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