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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/02/21/do-aggregators-and-blogrolls-deceive-through-the-ttlb-ecosystem/comment-page-1/#comment-3994</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over on my blog a few weeks back I posted a &quot;simple gospel&quot; definition my wife had given the sunday school.  Since then discussion and debate has reverberated throughout much of the christian blogopshere.  To track it the easiest thing is to hit &quot;Gospel&quot; on my Post category links, and follow some of the links out.

I think that is certainly a subject that can change peoples lives.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over on my blog a few weeks back I posted a &#8220;simple gospel&#8221; definition my wife had given the sunday school.  Since then discussion and debate has reverberated throughout much of the christian blogopshere.  To track it the easiest thing is to hit &#8220;Gospel&#8221; on my Post category links, and follow some of the links out.</p>
<p>I think that is certainly a subject that can change peoples lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2005 05:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you define what you mean by simple gospel debate?
Are you referring to your wife&#039;s piece for her church?
The posts going around that have jumped off that original post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you define what you mean by simple gospel debate?<br />
Are you referring to your wife&#8217;s piece for her church?<br />
The posts going around that have jumped off that original post?</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2005 02:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of blogging about things that change peoples life- how does the simple gospel debate strike you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of blogging about things that change peoples life- how does the simple gospel debate strike you?</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey The Dane:^)  You are expressing what a fair number of people are noticing.

Isn&#039;t this about people? 
All the technology is not that useful unless we bloggers actually reach out, post, comment and relate to each other.

I guess when forming the Blogdom, the owner had to pick some technology - so it was the TTLB. N.Z. Bear, like many has provided a service to the blogosphere and he deserves a thank you for all his hard work.
So do all the others that take time to develop the shareware and tools we use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey The Dane:^)  You are expressing what a fair number of people are noticing.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this about people?<br />
All the technology is not that useful unless we bloggers actually reach out, post, comment and relate to each other.</p>
<p>I guess when forming the Blogdom, the owner had to pick some technology &#8211; so it was the TTLB. N.Z. Bear, like many has provided a service to the blogosphere and he deserves a thank you for all his hard work.<br />
So do all the others that take time to develop the shareware and tools we use.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, having recently been added to an aggregator, I noticed a jump in TTLB stats. All of the sudden I&#039;m linked by a number of sites I&#039;ve never heard of because I automatically appear in their aggregated blogroll. And though I&#039;m linked by more sites now, I haven&#039;t really logged any hits from these new linkers. And so, at least in my case, the stats hike is an artifice. I imagine that if I joined a number of aggregators, my TTLB status would rise to even greater heights. *shrug* seems a bit cheesy to me.

Well, what seems cheesy is not the aggregators or TTLB, but really just that fact that TTLB seems to matter to some people. I use it as a tool to sometimes find sites that are discussing my articles but don&#039;t have enough traffic to really register on my occasional referral-checking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, having recently been added to an aggregator, I noticed a jump in TTLB stats. All of the sudden I&#8217;m linked by a number of sites I&#8217;ve never heard of because I automatically appear in their aggregated blogroll. And though I&#8217;m linked by more sites now, I haven&#8217;t really logged any hits from these new linkers. And so, at least in my case, the stats hike is an artifice. I imagine that if I joined a number of aggregators, my TTLB status would rise to even greater heights. *shrug* seems a bit cheesy to me.</p>
<p>Well, what seems cheesy is not the aggregators or TTLB, but really just that fact that TTLB seems to matter to some people. I use it as a tool to sometimes find sites that are discussing my articles but don&#8217;t have enough traffic to really register on my occasional referral-checking.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, why aren&#039;t you writing things that have the potential to do so?

That&#039;s the question - not whether Hugh does it, or not :D&quot;

That would be because I save the truly transformative, Holy Spirit-inspired stuff for my paying gigs.  ;)

Actually, I cited Hugh because he writes in &quot;In, But Not Of&quot; about blogging as a way of influencing the culture for Christ, and as a result, he has inspired a whole cadre of &quot;blog-children.&quot; Joe Carter at The Evangelical Outpost is one example.

And while I think the medium is a good way to engage people in dialogue about issues, it&#039;s just as likely to be a place where we just air our preconceived notions and debate each other in ways that as often as not result in a net increase in our alienation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, why aren&#8217;t you writing things that have the potential to do so?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the question &#8211; not whether Hugh does it, or not <img src='http://www.benedictionblogson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>That would be because I save the truly transformative, Holy Spirit-inspired stuff for my paying gigs.  <img src='http://www.benedictionblogson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Actually, I cited Hugh because he writes in &#8220;In, But Not Of&#8221; about blogging as a way of influencing the culture for Christ, and as a result, he has inspired a whole cadre of &#8220;blog-children.&#8221; Joe Carter at The Evangelical Outpost is one example.</p>
<p>And while I think the medium is a good way to engage people in dialogue about issues, it&#8217;s just as likely to be a place where we just air our preconceived notions and debate each other in ways that as often as not result in a net increase in our alienation.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2005 19:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You and Mike can have a go at that one RazorKiss.
It&#039;s a US issue, Hewitt isn&#039;t known to most of us.

Here is my 2c
You have high expectations for bloggers there Razorkiss.
Why?
Just everyday people aren&#039;t worried about being  a professional pundit or evangelizing like a mega church minister. 
Many just wrestle with their faith, share, allow God to work in them and don&#039;t count scalps, hits or rankings.

Mike has done a great deal to reach well past his corner of the country, and engage in excellent discussion with ministers and bloggers from other countries. He has made serious attempts to understand the rest of us. He has done a great deal in practising the relational aspects of blogging. It isn&#039;t about winning.  Many of us appreciate him for that because we&#039;ve all learned.
We tend not to mistake his modesty for anything less than it is.:^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and Mike can have a go at that one RazorKiss.<br />
It&#8217;s a US issue, Hewitt isn&#8217;t known to most of us.</p>
<p>Here is my 2c<br />
You have high expectations for bloggers there Razorkiss.<br />
Why?<br />
Just everyday people aren&#8217;t worried about being  a professional pundit or evangelizing like a mega church minister.<br />
Many just wrestle with their faith, share, allow God to work in them and don&#8217;t count scalps, hits or rankings.</p>
<p>Mike has done a great deal to reach well past his corner of the country, and engage in excellent discussion with ministers and bloggers from other countries. He has made serious attempts to understand the rest of us. He has done a great deal in practising the relational aspects of blogging. It isn&#8217;t about winning.  Many of us appreciate him for that because we&#8217;ve all learned.<br />
We tend not to mistake his modesty for anything less than it is.:^)</p>
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		<title>By: RazorsKiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>RazorsKiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: &quot;When was the last time I blogged anything that significant;y transformed anyone&#039;s life?&quot;

So, why aren&#039;t you writing things that have the potential to do so?


That&#039;s the question - not whether Hugh does it, or not :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;When was the last time I blogged anything that significant;y transformed anyone&#8217;s life?&#8221;</p>
<p>So, why aren&#8217;t you writing things that have the potential to do so?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the question &#8211; not whether Hugh does it, or not <img src='http://www.benedictionblogson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BD</title>
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		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was an excellent post Mike.
The big fish in the small pond routine.
It&#039;s well worth a read for anyone particapting in this comment section.
If the alliance isn&#039;t accepting that ranking/hits isn&#039;t translating into the hype from one ranking system and gets defensive when questions are asked, it&#039;s undermining the motive.
Here are a few quotes from Rev. Mike&#039;s post
http://blog.revmike.us/archives/000715.html

**Out of curiosity, I went to TTLB and checked out where I stand in the rankings. If links counted for anything, I would be ranked 495th in the Ecosystem as of yesterday, 467th today. However, in terms of traffic, I am ranked 2,569th based on 48 visits/day, 51 visits/day if you check the current Site Meter data.

So what do all these blogging alliances gain us? Probably not a whole lot. It&#039;s a mixed bag. Every time I have hooked up with one of these groups, my traffic goes up. But doubling nothing still gets you nothing. When the day is done, not too many people find what I have to say about things all that interesting. If ten people comment on anything in a week, it&#039;s been a great week, and there haven&#039;t too many of those weeks over the past six months.**

**So, perhaps Bene&#039;s right. All we&#039;re doing is setting up one more way to sell out to the culture&#039;s values. The Ecosystem -- the Nielsen Ratings of the Blogosphere. Determining whose site is worth selling an ad on.

But you say you&#039;re in it to influence the surrounding culture. Puh-leeze. When was the last time Hugh Hewitt blogged anything that significantly transformed anyone&#039;s life? When was the last time I blogged anything that significantly transformed anyone&#039;s life?

There -- now THAT oughta get you folks all in a dither! Comment on that!**</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was an excellent post Mike.<br />
The big fish in the small pond routine.<br />
It&#8217;s well worth a read for anyone particapting in this comment section.<br />
If the alliance isn&#8217;t accepting that ranking/hits isn&#8217;t translating into the hype from one ranking system and gets defensive when questions are asked, it&#8217;s undermining the motive.<br />
Here are a few quotes from Rev. Mike&#8217;s post<br />
<a href="http://blog.revmike.us/archives/000715.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.revmike.us/archives/000715.html</a></p>
<p>**Out of curiosity, I went to TTLB and checked out where I stand in the rankings. If links counted for anything, I would be ranked 495th in the Ecosystem as of yesterday, 467th today. However, in terms of traffic, I am ranked 2,569th based on 48 visits/day, 51 visits/day if you check the current Site Meter data.</p>
<p>So what do all these blogging alliances gain us? Probably not a whole lot. It&#8217;s a mixed bag. Every time I have hooked up with one of these groups, my traffic goes up. But doubling nothing still gets you nothing. When the day is done, not too many people find what I have to say about things all that interesting. If ten people comment on anything in a week, it&#8217;s been a great week, and there haven&#8217;t too many of those weeks over the past six months.**</p>
<p>**So, perhaps Bene&#8217;s right. All we&#8217;re doing is setting up one more way to sell out to the culture&#8217;s values. The Ecosystem &#8212; the Nielsen Ratings of the Blogosphere. Determining whose site is worth selling an ad on.</p>
<p>But you say you&#8217;re in it to influence the surrounding culture. Puh-leeze. When was the last time Hugh Hewitt blogged anything that significantly transformed anyone&#8217;s life? When was the last time I blogged anything that significantly transformed anyone&#8217;s life?</p>
<p>There &#8212; now THAT oughta get you folks all in a dither! Comment on that!**</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to recall someone making this observation a scant three weeks ago.  I wish I could recall who.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall someone making this observation a scant three weeks ago.  I wish I could recall who.  <img src='http://www.benedictionblogson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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