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	<title>Comments on: Stielstra&#8217;s PyroMarketing to be published</title>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/09/13/stielstras-pyromarketing-to-be-published/#comment-4978</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Stielstra:

I am sorry your family has been put through difficulties.
Whether your son or the publishing house wanted controversy, it appears they received it.
I apologize if my skepticism has harmed you, I've amended the post to reflect your concern.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Stielstra:</p>
<p>I am sorry your family has been put through difficulties.<br />
Whether your son or the publishing house wanted controversy, it appears they received it.<br />
I apologize if my skepticism has harmed you, I&#8217;ve amended the post to reflect your concern.</p>
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		<title>By: elden stielstra</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/09/13/stielstras-pyromarketing-to-be-published/#comment-4977</link>
		<dc:creator>elden stielstra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To suggest Harper or Greg Stielstra wanted controversy in order to increase sales of PyroMarketing is simply not true.  As Greg's father I have seen the two faces of Rick Warren.  If you wish to hear more contact me.  I have been in the middle of this for one year and it is frightening to watch Satan at work as he seeks to divide and conquer.
Elden Stielstra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To suggest Harper or Greg Stielstra wanted controversy in order to increase sales of PyroMarketing is simply not true.  As Greg&#8217;s father I have seen the two faces of Rick Warren.  If you wish to hear more contact me.  I have been in the middle of this for one year and it is frightening to watch Satan at work as he seeks to divide and conquer.<br />
Elden Stielstra</p>
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		<title>By: dh</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/09/13/stielstras-pyromarketing-to-be-published/#comment-4976</link>
		<dc:creator>dh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Telling people to "Follow me"? Also take up a cross does satisfy the desire of peoples souls. 


At times He did put people off when He did that it was to help the person He was speaking to to recognize their own heart. Jesus knew that they "were like sheep without a shepherd" (recognizing the needs of the target group (at this time Jewish people). The GReat Commission includes preaching (sharing the Gospel). So is preaching pursuading? Can Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit, use us to pursuade others to have Faith in Christ? Paul did this in Colosians with the "unknown god". To me it is the content of the message combined with the heart of the person giving it. I still don't see anywhere where Christ dictates the how, except when He stated "it is not My time" in relation to His revelation of His glory to the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telling people to &#8220;Follow me&#8221;? Also take up a cross does satisfy the desire of peoples souls. </p>
<p>At times He did put people off when He did that it was to help the person He was speaking to to recognize their own heart. Jesus knew that they &#8220;were like sheep without a shepherd&#8221; (recognizing the needs of the target group (at this time Jewish people). The GReat Commission includes preaching (sharing the Gospel). So is preaching pursuading? Can Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit, use us to pursuade others to have Faith in Christ? Paul did this in Colosians with the &#8220;unknown god&#8221;. To me it is the content of the message combined with the heart of the person giving it. I still don&#8217;t see anywhere where Christ dictates the how, except when He stated &#8220;it is not My time&#8221; in relation to His revelation of His glory to the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus was definitely not into marketing! Marketing is about determining the desires of a target group of customers and persuading them that your product will satisfy those desires. Jesus didn't "sell" -- if anything, he appears to have tried to put people off. "Take up a cross" is not a marketing strategy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus was definitely not into marketing! Marketing is about determining the desires of a target group of customers and persuading them that your product will satisfy those desires. Jesus didn&#8217;t &#8220;sell&#8221; &#8212; if anything, he appears to have tried to put people off. &#8220;Take up a cross&#8221; is not a marketing strategy!</p>
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		<title>By: dh</title>
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		<dc:creator>dh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Captive audience ripe for the picking."

John 4:34-36
35Do you not say, 'Four months more and then the harvest'? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are RIPE FOR THE HARVEST. 36Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now he harvests the crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together.

I guess Jesus was a marketer as well. This proves my point about all of this attack just because it is marketed. To me I think the controversy just because of one thing, marketing, is unWARRENted. I just don't see the problem as long as people are coming to Christ and more Christians are doing more for Christ as well. (It will never be fullproof because we are all humans, but at least more than otherwise and for that reason in the worse case I commend Warren)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Captive audience ripe for the picking.&#8221;</p>
<p>John 4:34-36<br />
35Do you not say, &#8216;Four months more and then the harvest&#8217;? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are RIPE FOR THE HARVEST. 36Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now he harvests the crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together.</p>
<p>I guess Jesus was a marketer as well. This proves my point about all of this attack just because it is marketed. To me I think the controversy just because of one thing, marketing, is unWARRENted. I just don&#8217;t see the problem as long as people are coming to Christ and more Christians are doing more for Christ as well. (It will never be fullproof because we are all humans, but at least more than otherwise and for that reason in the worse case I commend Warren)</p>
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		<title>By: dh</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2005/09/13/stielstras-pyromarketing-to-be-published/#comment-4973</link>
		<dc:creator>dh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree we lose sight of what we need or want. I personally feel that all Christians should embrace what Warren has to say. He is so right on and the message he gives from the Spirit is foundational and simple like Christ's was. To put Warren's stuff in the same category as Left Behind is way, way overboard. (However, I personally like the Left Behind series but that in no way influences my liking of Warren).

I personally care less how something is presented to me. To me the content rather than the how is the most important. I'm not influenced by the marketing only the content. I have read Warren's books and find them not-wanting in any way.

I don't have much sympathy for people who reject messages of Truth just because it is marketed to them a certain way. No where in the Bible does it say the Gospel has to be told a certain way only "the Great Commission" and the "Romans Road".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree we lose sight of what we need or want. I personally feel that all Christians should embrace what Warren has to say. He is so right on and the message he gives from the Spirit is foundational and simple like Christ&#8217;s was. To put Warren&#8217;s stuff in the same category as Left Behind is way, way overboard. (However, I personally like the Left Behind series but that in no way influences my liking of Warren).</p>
<p>I personally care less how something is presented to me. To me the content rather than the how is the most important. I&#8217;m not influenced by the marketing only the content. I have read Warren&#8217;s books and find them not-wanting in any way.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have much sympathy for people who reject messages of Truth just because it is marketed to them a certain way. No where in the Bible does it say the Gospel has to be told a certain way only &#8220;the Great Commission&#8221; and the &#8220;Romans Road&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good one DH!

I understand Warren is affable, kind, sincere, etc.
There are good authors that will never have marketing gurus or get the opportunity to have worthy work published, through no fault of their own.
I'm not slamming Warren, I don't know the guy.

This was hyper marketing at it's finest, like the Left Behind series.
Stielstra has been involved with over 750 books. Warren must have been the dream client; a marketer could do use unwarrented numbers of people in unprecedented proportions to sell the product.
Captive audience ripe for the picking.

I don't have much sympathy for adults that don't take time to understand how things are sold to them, I guess. We lose sight of what we need and what we just thnk we want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good one DH!</p>
<p>I understand Warren is affable, kind, sincere, etc.<br />
There are good authors that will never have marketing gurus or get the opportunity to have worthy work published, through no fault of their own.<br />
I&#8217;m not slamming Warren, I don&#8217;t know the guy.</p>
<p>This was hyper marketing at it&#8217;s finest, like the Left Behind series.<br />
Stielstra has been involved with over 750 books. Warren must have been the dream client; a marketer could do use unwarrented numbers of people in unprecedented proportions to sell the product.<br />
Captive audience ripe for the picking.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have much sympathy for adults that don&#8217;t take time to understand how things are sold to them, I guess. We lose sight of what we need and what we just thnk we want.</p>
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		<title>By: dh</title>
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		<dc:creator>dh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don't understand the unWARRENented (being punny :)) on Warren. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t understand the unWARRENented (being punny :)) on Warren. <img src='http://www.benedictionblogson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: DH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I don't see what is so controversial abour Rick Warren. Could we say Christ by sharing the Gospel or the Apostles were involved in "marketing"? I feel ANY sharing of the Gospel is okay as long as it is done with a proper attitude by the writer. I have read some of Wrren's books and to me he seems like to have a great attitude. Maybe the controversy is based on the content which is basic Christianity 101 and with the Holy Spirit from the Bible as well. To say there is NO Spirit behind Warren I feel is a little off. I'm not naive. I just read Warren's book in conjuction with Scripture and he is right on and is definitely 1st century on his statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I don&#8217;t see what is so controversial abour Rick Warren. Could we say Christ by sharing the Gospel or the Apostles were involved in &#8220;marketing&#8221;? I feel ANY sharing of the Gospel is okay as long as it is done with a proper attitude by the writer. I have read some of Wrren&#8217;s books and to me he seems like to have a great attitude. Maybe the controversy is based on the content which is basic Christianity 101 and with the Holy Spirit from the Bible as well. To say there is NO Spirit behind Warren I feel is a little off. I&#8217;m not naive. I just read Warren&#8217;s book in conjuction with Scripture and he is right on and is definitely 1st century on his statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Funky Dung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Funky Dung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody else think the Pyromarketing cover looks an awful lot like the cover of Steve Elliot's "The Grassfire Effect"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody else think the Pyromarketing cover looks an awful lot like the cover of Steve Elliot&#8217;s &#8220;The Grassfire Effect&#8221;?</p>
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