Comments on: Halts by me that footfall… http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2006/01/11/halts-by-me-that-footfall/ Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:40:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Dave Trowbridge http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2006/01/11/halts-by-me-that-footfall/#comment-6676 Dave Trowbridge Fri, 27 Jan 2006 05:31:20 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=2124#comment-6676 dh--with all due respect, you're quite wrong. John says very clearly in the 9th verse of his gospel that "the light that enlightens every man was coming into the world." He doesn't say "that enlightens every man who believes in Christ." I won't enter into further argument with you, but if you want to know what Christian Quakers believe, and the scriptural warrant for it, I commend to you Robert Barclay's <i>An Apology for the True Christian Divinity</i>, which can be found online <a href="http://www.qhpress.org/texts/barclay/apology/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. dh–with all due respect, you’re quite wrong. John says very clearly in the 9th verse of his gospel that “the light that enlightens every man was coming into the world.” He doesn’t say “that enlightens every man who believes in Christ.”

I won’t enter into further argument with you, but if you want to know what Christian Quakers believe, and the scriptural warrant for it, I commend to you Robert Barclay’s An Apology for the True Christian Divinity, which can be found online here.

]]> By: dh http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2006/01/11/halts-by-me-that-footfall/#comment-5968 dh Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:23:50 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=2124#comment-5968 Christ isn't in all of us. It is only by Faith in Christ's death and resurrection and believing that Jesus Christ is God that one has Christ in our hearts. "If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has risen from the dead you shall be saved." Scripture is Word of God. God breathed the Word of God in John 1:1. However, it is by the Spirits prompting from the outside to the unbeliever and Spirits prompting in the inside for the believer that one understands the Scripture. It also is a matter of whether or not we are "accurately dividing the Word of God." Many people believe certain things that are inconsistent with what God says or what the spirit says (which I feel is consistent with the Word of God). This doesn't place a greater emphesis on the Word but that when God says something He is consistent with what He says and the God as Trinity operates consistent with that and is soverign in all of His dealings with humankind for a personal relationship available to all but actualized by those who accept Christ by Faith in Him alone. Christ isn’t in all of us. It is only by Faith in Christ’s death and resurrection and believing that Jesus Christ is God that one has Christ in our hearts. “If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has risen from the dead you shall be saved.” Scripture is Word of God. God breathed the Word of God in John 1:1. However, it is by the Spirits prompting from the outside to the unbeliever and Spirits prompting in the inside for the believer that one understands the Scripture. It also is a matter of whether or not we are “accurately dividing the Word of God.” Many people believe certain things that are inconsistent with what God says or what the spirit says (which I feel is consistent with the Word of God). This doesn’t place a greater emphesis on the Word but that when God says something He is consistent with what He says and the God as Trinity operates consistent with that and is soverign in all of His dealings with humankind for a personal relationship available to all but actualized by those who accept Christ by Faith in Him alone.

]]> By: Dave Trowbridge http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2006/01/11/halts-by-me-that-footfall/#comment-5718 Dave Trowbridge Sat, 14 Jan 2006 07:28:55 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=2124#comment-5718 Christian Quakers are not so much concerned about what Jesus "said" in the Scriptures as what he says in our hearts. For us, the Second Coming is right now: Jesus Christ has come to teach his people himself. The Inward Light, the Christ, is in all human beings, and will lead them to all Truth if they but listen to its urgings. In his contentions with the Puritans who, like many modern Christians, exalted Scripture to a primacy it does not deserve, George Fox was moved to declare: "...that the holy Scriptures were given forth by the Spirit of God; and that all people must come to the Spirit of God in themselves in order to know God and Christ, of whom the prophets and apostles learnt: and that by that same Spirit all men might know the holy Scriptures. For as the Spirit of God was in them that gave forth the Scriptures, so the same Spirit must be in all them that come to understand the Scriptures. By this Spirit they might have fellowship with the Father, with the Son, with the Scriptures, and with one another: and without this Spirit they can know neither God, Christ, nor the Scriptures, nor have a right fellowship one with another." Christian Quakers are not so much concerned about what Jesus “said” in the Scriptures as what he says in our hearts. For us, the Second Coming is right now: Jesus Christ has come to teach his people himself. The Inward Light, the Christ, is in all human beings, and will lead them to all Truth if they but listen to its urgings.

In his contentions with the Puritans who, like many modern Christians, exalted Scripture to a primacy it does not deserve, George Fox was moved to declare:

“…that the holy Scriptures were given forth by the Spirit of God; and that all people must come to the Spirit of God in themselves in order to know God and Christ, of whom the prophets and apostles learnt: and that by that same Spirit all men might know the holy Scriptures. For as the Spirit of God was in them that gave forth the Scriptures, so the same Spirit must be in all them that come to understand the Scriptures. By this Spirit they might have fellowship with the Father, with the Son, with the Scriptures, and with one another: and without this Spirit they can know neither God, Christ, nor the Scriptures, nor have a right fellowship one with another.”

]]> By: dh http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2006/01/11/halts-by-me-that-footfall/#comment-5704 dh Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:21:09 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=2124#comment-5704 Hopefully, the person in this story will be led to the One True God by acceptance of the Son. Jesus said He was the only Way. Something to think about. Hopefully, the person in this story will be led to the One True God by acceptance of the Son. Jesus said He was the only Way. Something to think about.

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