The Thinklings have a post up on a church story that has attracted a lot of attention - a mega church minister in the US who lost 1 thousand members of his congregation because he preached that politics don’t belong in church.
Alan at The Thinklings says the minister is a heretic because he preached open theism. (God doesn’t know the future)
And of course, the press can hardly be asked to distinguish all these points of view, when it can’t tell Adventists from Anabaptists, or Post-millers from Post-tribbers. Maybe the only thing more disastrous than a church captive to the world’s political agenda is the liberal media trying to report on it.
Well. ’liberal’ media doesn’t need to distinguish, does it?
Do most traditional media spend several years getting a theology degree after the other degrees many journalists have in the US?
Do most traditional media outlets need to dive into the minuteness of a theological side issue viewpoint when the story is about church members taking off because a political party agenda wasn’t going to be preached from the pulpit?
I mean, this makes my head hurt.:^)
I’m not remotely convinced this story is about can’t or can or should or shouldn’t, liberal, conservative or a lack of understanding by ‘liberal’ media.
I think traditional media gets it just fine.
I read the story of Rev. Boyd’s stand on blogs, got interested enough to click over to traditional media. I’m not in the US, I’m not Baptist, but I am cheering Boyd on.
Why?
Because this is bloody refreshing news coming from the Protestant side of the US isle right now and we hear too little of it.
I’m cheering him one because of what the media covered - (politics aren’t going to be spouted from this pulpit).
People have an opinion on this.
Politics don’t belong in church according to Boyd and one thousand people walked out the door.
That’s the story.
Who wouldn’t have respect for a minister to whom losing members is no biggy these days?
That’s a story.
If I haven’t worked out whether God ‘knows’ the future and that makes me a heretic to a denomination that perceives life as a culture war, I’d be seriously okay with that.
Most people are okay with that.
I don’t need traditional media carrying on about open theism.
If open theism is a big deal to this denomination and Boyd is a heretic who is going to get kicked out, that’s another whole story.
A minuscule theological debate on our understanding of the nature of God is something most media isn’t going to pick up on, even if they know and understand.
Most media consumers don’t care about neotheism unless they are in a particular pew.
The traditional media story headline is “Pastor rejects the bully pulpit.”
Hey, got my attention!
Yes!
Not all Baptists are bullies!
Not all Baptists preach politics!
This is good news!
Update: In discussion with the Thinklings I was pointed to some history of the heresy debate. It occurred in Rev. Boyd’s denomination in the 1990’s, went through all the necessary channels, and rumbled around all the levels this man works in and through, to end at the highest ‘court’ - the general assembly. All rulings at all levels accepted his right to his beliefs. (heresy is a charge taken very seriously)
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You must be nuts! Gregory Boyd (I’ve never met the man) is absolutely right.
Tom
I think he is too Tom, and Alan, the Thinklings poster, was reluctant, but willing to admit so also.
The title was a swipe at people that think losing a thousand members is a bad thing.
A Hartford study shows that while Boyd may be unique because he has a mega church, churches stand with him regarding political parties not being promoted from the pulpit.
“Very well then, you might say. What about all those other churches just like his? Well, megachurches - those that draw more than 2,000 worshipers per week, on average - are less than one percent of the total Christian congregations in the US. The Hartford Seminary has documented about 1200 of them. Out of a total of up to 400,000 churches, that makes their “one percent” generous.”
http://www.streetprophets.com/story/2006/8/1/16259/95466
i found this story from a friend who directed me to the page at the new york times. having grown up in church, in a christian home, and in mississippi mind you, in theory i should be a hardcore right wing fundamentalist. but, my folks always taught me to decide my political stance based soley on what i believe is right. i think rev boyd is right on the money with politics and the church.
as far as open theism, i can’t say that i agree with the rev. that God doesn’t have all of his plans in order. i think that God is a little more organized than that…..just a thought.
i’m glad he had the balls to say it…even though there was so much at stake (his church, his livelyhood). you don’t see risks being taken like that every day. ESPECIALLY from the pastor of a larger church who has everything to lose.
I was talking to my father, who is a non-denominational fundamentalist in rapid city,sd last month. We where talking in his pickup on the way to the store, I brought up the fact that politics, and this war on evil in this country is bad for christians. I have heard about this paster Greg Boyd just today…and another person I saw on cspan, her name is Michelle Goldberg, (I plan on buying her book} and I think this is hitting at the heart of alot of moderate christians. There seems to be a kind of mentallity with extreme christians to take over the world for Jesus, (extreme patriotism about wars, republican only voting, and the intense focuss on sexuallity.)
My father said he is starting to feel the same way. Christians need to keep it “real”, get back to that thing called “love”, and that guy “Jesus”!
I have left the church, over 6 years now but I love my Dad alot and we still are able to talk about the christian church world without fighting!