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		<title>By: BD</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/01/09/slice-of-laodicea/#comment-71791</link>
		<dc:creator>BD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm hearing you tell me 'what' you are attempting to get across is of vital importance to you...a teacher's heart. I'm hearing you say is important to you  we understand your SBC should not be using outside people that do not honour your doctrine. 

I think you have heard me say the 'how' of communication matters.

You got an email from the current head of the SBC, a denomination of 16 million people. Let's assume his office can send out a thousand or so emails a day, Dr. Page sends out a couple of hundred.

That puts you in rare air, with unique opportunity.  

I've been very clear that the 'how' of response choices does affect the 'what' of the message. Hockey is our game here, and we can hit hard too.:^) 

Perhaps people assumed because Slice was a blog off a radio program, well rounded  and mature communication skills would be there. 
They simply weren't. 
It was a wise decision to close it down and walk away from that format.  

In the format it was in, it was one of the most toxic and harmful sites I've seen.
Sometimes people just aren't good for each other, and get locked into destructive relational patterns.  
Slice will be remembered that way.

I don't believe you have intent to harm, your frustration and desire to teach is apparent, the 'what'  is your rationale in the public arena.

Thank you for understanding 'what' I was attempting to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hearing you tell me &#8216;what&#8217; you are attempting to get across is of vital importance to you&#8230;a teacher&#8217;s heart. I&#8217;m hearing you say is important to you  we understand your SBC should not be using outside people that do not honour your doctrine. </p>
<p>I think you have heard me say the &#8216;how&#8217; of communication matters.</p>
<p>You got an email from the current head of the SBC, a denomination of 16 million people. Let&#8217;s assume his office can send out a thousand or so emails a day, Dr. Page sends out a couple of hundred.</p>
<p>That puts you in rare air, with unique opportunity.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been very clear that the &#8216;how&#8217; of response choices does affect the &#8216;what&#8217; of the message. Hockey is our game here, and we can hit hard too.:^) </p>
<p>Perhaps people assumed because Slice was a blog off a radio program, well rounded  and mature communication skills would be there.<br />
They simply weren&#8217;t.<br />
It was a wise decision to close it down and walk away from that format.  </p>
<p>In the format it was in, it was one of the most toxic and harmful sites I&#8217;ve seen.<br />
Sometimes people just aren&#8217;t good for each other, and get locked into destructive relational patterns.<br />
Slice will be remembered that way.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe you have intent to harm, your frustration and desire to teach is apparent, the &#8216;what&#8217;  is your rationale in the public arena.</p>
<p>Thank you for understanding &#8216;what&#8217; I was attempting to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Ken Silva</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/01/09/slice-of-laodicea/#comment-71512</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Ken Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said: "Glad you didn’t take offense, none meant." Shhh..I'm not really as bad a guy as people might think. Don't let that gt out though; it'll ruin my inage. :-)

"I’m hearing you say asking Jakes to speak in this conference is wrong." I am and it is. 

Here we agree to a point when you say: "He fits right in in terms of the criteria - this is an entrepreneurial, corporate, growth is success pep rally." If this was all this conference was Jakes certainly would be welcome in a big Amway-type secular business deal.

However, this is allegedly a "Christian" church event with two high profile members of the SBC and it is in an SBC church. I'm not trying to sway your opinion here, just pointing out how as a minister of the SBC we're supposed to view it.

Jakes believes in a god who is a solitary person who has acted in three different ways. The SBC believes in the God of the Bible Who is three Persons Who are not each other but are the one God. Therefore Jakes believes in another god, a different god. So, if Jakes is to be included with Christians; why not the Mormons? They are nice people who believe in a trinity and love "Jesus" too?

Or how about the Jehovah's Witnesses? They believe in a god who is one person and they love "Jesus" too. Or how about the Musilms? They believe in a god who is one person and they revere their "Jesus" as a prophet almost equal to Muhammad. I just hope you see that to open the door to Oneness Pentecostals as Christians (though some might know Christ and are still ill-informed) is to have to open the door to those other groups as well.

I pray this helps a little to understand my rationale even if we have to agree to disagree agreeably. Like me or not, I at least stand for what I bellieve. And believe it or not I also respect those who stand for what they beleive even if I go hard at them as one might in a football game. We all know what is at stake as we step into the public arena to teach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said: &#8220;Glad you didn’t take offense, none meant.&#8221; Shhh..I&#8217;m not really as bad a guy as people might think. Don&#8217;t let that gt out though; it&#8217;ll ruin my inage. <img src='http://www.benedictionblogson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;I’m hearing you say asking Jakes to speak in this conference is wrong.&#8221; I am and it is. </p>
<p>Here we agree to a point when you say: &#8220;He fits right in in terms of the criteria - this is an entrepreneurial, corporate, growth is success pep rally.&#8221; If this was all this conference was Jakes certainly would be welcome in a big Amway-type secular business deal.</p>
<p>However, this is allegedly a &#8220;Christian&#8221; church event with two high profile members of the SBC and it is in an SBC church. I&#8217;m not trying to sway your opinion here, just pointing out how as a minister of the SBC we&#8217;re supposed to view it.</p>
<p>Jakes believes in a god who is a solitary person who has acted in three different ways. The SBC believes in the God of the Bible Who is three Persons Who are not each other but are the one God. Therefore Jakes believes in another god, a different god. So, if Jakes is to be included with Christians; why not the Mormons? They are nice people who believe in a trinity and love &#8220;Jesus&#8221; too?</p>
<p>Or how about the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses? They believe in a god who is one person and they love &#8220;Jesus&#8221; too. Or how about the Musilms? They believe in a god who is one person and they revere their &#8220;Jesus&#8221; as a prophet almost equal to Muhammad. I just hope you see that to open the door to Oneness Pentecostals as Christians (though some might know Christ and are still ill-informed) is to have to open the door to those other groups as well.</p>
<p>I pray this helps a little to understand my rationale even if we have to agree to disagree agreeably. Like me or not, I at least stand for what I bellieve. And believe it or not I also respect those who stand for what they beleive even if I go hard at them as one might in a football game. We all know what is at stake as we step into the public arena to teach.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/01/09/slice-of-laodicea/#comment-69975</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, T.D. Jakes believes in modalism.
Glad you didn't take offense, none meant.

I'm hearing you say asking Jakes to speak in this conference is wrong. 
 
He fits right in in terms of the criteria -  this is an entrepreneurial, corporate, growth is success pep rally for church leaders.

Seems this is a typical church numbers conference about how to get people in the pews, about church consumerism and management, not about theology, and Young's church makes a few bucks by hosting it. 

The speakers have mega-churches and therefore are  American religious success stories - don't see any indication it's an SBC conference hammering out doctrinal matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, T.D. Jakes believes in modalism.<br />
Glad you didn&#8217;t take offense, none meant.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hearing you say asking Jakes to speak in this conference is wrong. </p>
<p>He fits right in in terms of the criteria -  this is an entrepreneurial, corporate, growth is success pep rally for church leaders.</p>
<p>Seems this is a typical church numbers conference about how to get people in the pews, about church consumerism and management, not about theology, and Young&#8217;s church makes a few bucks by hosting it. </p>
<p>The speakers have mega-churches and therefore are  American religious success stories - don&#8217;t see any indication it&#8217;s an SBC conference hammering out doctrinal matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Ken Silva</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/01/09/slice-of-laodicea/#comment-69320</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Ken Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I appreciate your possible attempt to fairly assess what it seems you aren't grasping that well, please understand I have been with the SBC a long time and I know exactly what Dr. Page means. :-)

He's welcome to it, and I take no offense from what you write here. But for the grace of God our positions could be reversed. That said, the issue is over heresy being condoned by very influential members of the SBC. 

And now I show that Oneness Pentecostal Jakes already preached there last year:

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/01/ed_young_jr_has.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I appreciate your possible attempt to fairly assess what it seems you aren&#8217;t grasping that well, please understand I have been with the SBC a long time and I know exactly what Dr. Page means. <img src='http://www.benedictionblogson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>He&#8217;s welcome to it, and I take no offense from what you write here. But for the grace of God our positions could be reversed. That said, the issue is over heresy being condoned by very influential members of the SBC. </p>
<p>And now I show that Oneness Pentecostal Jakes already preached there last year:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/01/ed_young_jr_has.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/01/ed_young_jr_has.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/01/09/slice-of-laodicea/#comment-69088</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 16:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are pockets of poor tone across the evangelical spectrum, we can't deny that. (SBC has a good share) There are hundreds of fruitful, loving, mature and productive evangelical blogs.

I think Slices of Laodecia is out to promote the radio show, get revenue and listeners with hyperactive attacks. I still find it a bit difficult to believe it's anything more than show biz rankings and ratings, but I understand from reactions people take them seriously and get hurt as I mentioned above. They send out a fair number of issue Press Releases about issues and people. I confess I don't take them seriously, their tone is quite foreign to my experience as an evangelical.

Nor do I know how they'd be theologically classified, the rancour is so bad, I can't pin down what their theology/denominational affiliations are.

Might be interesting to do some research and pick a top 10 hypercritical group of evangelical blogs.:^)

What observations have you observed about the blog consistent to US readers of Slice of Laodicea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are pockets of poor tone across the evangelical spectrum, we can&#8217;t deny that. (SBC has a good share) There are hundreds of fruitful, loving, mature and productive evangelical blogs.</p>
<p>I think Slices of Laodecia is out to promote the radio show, get revenue and listeners with hyperactive attacks. I still find it a bit difficult to believe it&#8217;s anything more than show biz rankings and ratings, but I understand from reactions people take them seriously and get hurt as I mentioned above. They send out a fair number of issue Press Releases about issues and people. I confess I don&#8217;t take them seriously, their tone is quite foreign to my experience as an evangelical.</p>
<p>Nor do I know how they&#8217;d be theologically classified, the rancour is so bad, I can&#8217;t pin down what their theology/denominational affiliations are.</p>
<p>Might be interesting to do some research and pick a top 10 hypercritical group of evangelical blogs.:^)</p>
<p>What observations have you observed about the blog consistent to US readers of Slice of Laodicea?</p>
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		<title>By: James Vander Woude</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/01/09/slice-of-laodicea/#comment-68995</link>
		<dc:creator>James Vander Woude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'And we wonder why people avoid evangelical blogs.'

Do you find Slice to be a typical Evangelical blog in its tone? That certainly hasn't been my experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;And we wonder why people avoid evangelical blogs.&#8217;</p>
<p>Do you find Slice to be a typical Evangelical blog in its tone? That certainly hasn&#8217;t been my experience.</p>
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