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		<title>By: 2nd Vice President of Southern Baptist Convention is silent at Bene Diction Blogs On</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 10:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 10:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course I'm skeptical. 

No investigative questions were asked, I certainly respect you, Burleson and any blogger that got through to Drake by phone. 
You obtained access as peers, not  investigators and were granted a react. 

While rumours, arguments, gossip and sides are being taken, and reactionary response ripples through parts of the SBC, we both know more will be out Monday.

There remain important unanswered questions.

Many in the SBC deeply concerned about this have a great deal to lose, that is an appreciable and valid concern.  

I understand  SBC leadership is not comfortable with scrutiny, even if a criminal act has been committed against Drake.

Credible people are responding to The Intelligence Report seriously, Ethics Daily is able to do it's own investigation, and Frederick Clarkson is known for his experience and accuracy.
I see no reason Wiley Drake and supporters would not welcome a credible and thorough investigation. 

Saying people are liars does not uncover truth.
(it is a declaration, not a document)  

Of course the questions above are double edged.:^) 

I will post ethically, check information as it unfolds, and appreciate your comments and concerns.

Evasion, diffusion, denial, distracting, lying, attacking, outrage are all ingredients in this kind of story. Shooting the messengers, name calling and claiming character assassination are common responses. 
Healthy skepticism is prudent.

The Southern Poverty Law Centre is no fly by night advocacy group. It is used world wide by researchers, journalists, academics, civil rights workers and most importantly lawyers and law enforcement.
Information is legally checked; as a domestic terrorist information clearing house they are aware of the consequences of their information. 
If Drakes entry in The Intelligence Report is inaccurate or incomplete  it is in everyone's best interest it be updated promptly.  

Which brings us right back to Wiley Drake and The Army of God. 

As 2nd Vice President of The Southern Baptist Convention, law enforcement officers within the denomination interested in the truth would  be willingly to offer him their expertise and assistance, don't you think?

His name was on that declaration.

I will be over to your blog for your updates, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course I&#8217;m skeptical. </p>
<p>No investigative questions were asked, I certainly respect you, Burleson and any blogger that got through to Drake by phone.<br />
You obtained access as peers, not  investigators and were granted a react. </p>
<p>While rumours, arguments, gossip and sides are being taken, and reactionary response ripples through parts of the SBC, we both know more will be out Monday.</p>
<p>There remain important unanswered questions.</p>
<p>Many in the SBC deeply concerned about this have a great deal to lose, that is an appreciable and valid concern.  </p>
<p>I understand  SBC leadership is not comfortable with scrutiny, even if a criminal act has been committed against Drake.</p>
<p>Credible people are responding to The Intelligence Report seriously, Ethics Daily is able to do it&#8217;s own investigation, and Frederick Clarkson is known for his experience and accuracy.<br />
I see no reason Wiley Drake and supporters would not welcome a credible and thorough investigation. </p>
<p>Saying people are liars does not uncover truth.<br />
(it is a declaration, not a document)  </p>
<p>Of course the questions above are double edged.:^) </p>
<p>I will post ethically, check information as it unfolds, and appreciate your comments and concerns.</p>
<p>Evasion, diffusion, denial, distracting, lying, attacking, outrage are all ingredients in this kind of story. Shooting the messengers, name calling and claiming character assassination are common responses.<br />
Healthy skepticism is prudent.</p>
<p>The Southern Poverty Law Centre is no fly by night advocacy group. It is used world wide by researchers, journalists, academics, civil rights workers and most importantly lawyers and law enforcement.<br />
Information is legally checked; as a domestic terrorist information clearing house they are aware of the consequences of their information.<br />
If Drakes entry in The Intelligence Report is inaccurate or incomplete  it is in everyone&#8217;s best interest it be updated promptly.  </p>
<p>Which brings us right back to Wiley Drake and The Army of God. </p>
<p>As 2nd Vice President of The Southern Baptist Convention, law enforcement officers within the denomination interested in the truth would  be willingly to offer him their expertise and assistance, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>His name was on that declaration.</p>
<p>I will be over to your blog for your updates, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: art rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 21:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your litany of questions consistently presumes that Wiley actually wrote the words and is now lying.

How could he know, if he were telling the truth, if it were filed electronically or by mail?  What the author intended when he/she wrote those words?

If Wiley answered those questions, he would be the dumbest man on earth.

Again, he has denied knowing about it, and it is no stretch to not be paying attention to such an online document.  Even if you knew it existed, would you spend any time scanning it for your name?  Continuously?

The constant presumption that Wiley is guilty and should have known colors your line of thought.

As for the leadership, no one wants to be drawn into this, and I don't blame them.  No one I hear from knew anything about it until recently.

Any information I do get, I'll post on my site.  See you there.

Thanks for the turn of phrase compliment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your litany of questions consistently presumes that Wiley actually wrote the words and is now lying.</p>
<p>How could he know, if he were telling the truth, if it were filed electronically or by mail?  What the author intended when he/she wrote those words?</p>
<p>If Wiley answered those questions, he would be the dumbest man on earth.</p>
<p>Again, he has denied knowing about it, and it is no stretch to not be paying attention to such an online document.  Even if you knew it existed, would you spend any time scanning it for your name?  Continuously?</p>
<p>The constant presumption that Wiley is guilty and should have known colors your line of thought.</p>
<p>As for the leadership, no one wants to be drawn into this, and I don&#8217;t blame them.  No one I hear from knew anything about it until recently.</p>
<p>Any information I do get, I&#8217;ll post on my site.  See you there.</p>
<p>Thanks for the turn of phrase compliment.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 07:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did The Army of God take his name off their website?

Who in SBC leadership was aware Wiley Drake's name was on this declaration?
Prior to his election?
After his election?

You have access to Wiley Drake, you spoke to him. Speak to him again.

Ask him about his association with Bob Ferguson, Bruce Murch or Stephen Wetzel.

Ask who he thinks he was referring to specifically when he wrote:

"The price of blood is high. Some will pay high, and some will pay low, but pay, we all will for the 40 million babies we have killed.

God bless you my brother as you serve Him, and His little ones. "

Please ask him how he thinks his name remained on a domestic terrorist declaration for five years.

Ask him if that statement was written online or off.

Ask him who removed his name, or who he believes removed his name.

Ask Wiley Drake how he believes it got there in the first place.

Ask him what he does know about the Army of God.

Ask if, when and how he had contact with Donald Spizer.

Ask him about his friends in Missionaries to the Unborn.

Ask him who is out to get him so desperately, they'd put his name on a domestic terrorist declaration.

Ask him if he has contacted law enforcement about his name being used without his permission.

If he hasn't contacted law enforcement, why not?

Ask Wiley Drake what he is doing to get to the bottom of this criminal use of his name?

This is your denominational 2nd Vice President, you have access, ask him.

Waiting...

Wordless retraction.
Nice turn of the phrase, I'll have to remember that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did The Army of God take his name off their website?</p>
<p>Who in SBC leadership was aware Wiley Drake&#8217;s name was on this declaration?<br />
Prior to his election?<br />
After his election?</p>
<p>You have access to Wiley Drake, you spoke to him. Speak to him again.</p>
<p>Ask him about his association with Bob Ferguson, Bruce Murch or Stephen Wetzel.</p>
<p>Ask who he thinks he was referring to specifically when he wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;The price of blood is high. Some will pay high, and some will pay low, but pay, we all will for the 40 million babies we have killed.</p>
<p>God bless you my brother as you serve Him, and His little ones. &#8221;</p>
<p>Please ask him how he thinks his name remained on a domestic terrorist declaration for five years.</p>
<p>Ask him if that statement was written online or off.</p>
<p>Ask him who removed his name, or who he believes removed his name.</p>
<p>Ask Wiley Drake how he believes it got there in the first place.</p>
<p>Ask him what he does know about the Army of God.</p>
<p>Ask if, when and how he had contact with Donald Spizer.</p>
<p>Ask him about his friends in Missionaries to the Unborn.</p>
<p>Ask him who is out to get him so desperately, they&#8217;d put his name on a domestic terrorist declaration.</p>
<p>Ask him if he has contacted law enforcement about his name being used without his permission.</p>
<p>If he hasn&#8217;t contacted law enforcement, why not?</p>
<p>Ask Wiley Drake what he is doing to get to the bottom of this criminal use of his name?</p>
<p>This is your denominational 2nd Vice President, you have access, ask him.</p>
<p>Waiting&#8230;</p>
<p>Wordless retraction.<br />
Nice turn of the phrase, I&#8217;ll have to remember that.</p>
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		<title>By: art rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 04:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No comment from the Army of God?  No comment from Ethics Daily?  No comment from the SPLC?  Sounds like silence to me.

The absence of Wiley's name looks like a wordless retraction.

As for the SBC, Wiley would have to do something illegal for them to investigate it formally.  As despicable as the statement was, it was not illegal.

The SPLC alleged Wiley's name was confirmed to be accurately placed on the list of supporters.  Wiley called anyone who said such a thing a liar.  the onus is now on them to produce evidence that Wiley was the one who placed the name and comment, or evidence that he had confirmed the statement to be his.

Waiting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No comment from the Army of God?  No comment from Ethics Daily?  No comment from the SPLC?  Sounds like silence to me.</p>
<p>The absence of Wiley&#8217;s name looks like a wordless retraction.</p>
<p>As for the SBC, Wiley would have to do something illegal for them to investigate it formally.  As despicable as the statement was, it was not illegal.</p>
<p>The SPLC alleged Wiley&#8217;s name was confirmed to be accurately placed on the list of supporters.  Wiley called anyone who said such a thing a liar.  the onus is now on them to produce evidence that Wiley was the one who placed the name and comment, or evidence that he had confirmed the statement to be his.</p>
<p>Waiting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bene D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finding out facts is not going to be that difficult whether truth comes from an internal SBC investigation or an external inquiries.

Wiley Drakes name and comment are no longer on the current page of Army of God declaration.

So there has not been silence -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finding out facts is not going to be that difficult whether truth comes from an internal SBC investigation or an external inquiries.</p>
<p>Wiley Drakes name and comment are no longer on the current page of Army of God declaration.</p>
<p>So there has not been silence -</p>
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		<title>By: art rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>art rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 16:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only answer part of your questions.

Wiley says that he was never contacted and never knew who Kopp was before yesterday when bloggers started calling him.

Your statement that he was contacted several times over three years regarding this is in contrast to his own words.  Perhaps he is lying, but of all the things Wiley Drake is, a liar has never been one of them, from what I understand and know personally.

I would also like to hear from Ethics Daily, SPLC and the Army of God as to what evidence they have for any of this.

At this point, they are silent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only answer part of your questions.</p>
<p>Wiley says that he was never contacted and never knew who Kopp was before yesterday when bloggers started calling him.</p>
<p>Your statement that he was contacted several times over three years regarding this is in contrast to his own words.  Perhaps he is lying, but of all the things Wiley Drake is, a liar has never been one of them, from what I understand and know personally.</p>
<p>I would also like to hear from Ethics Daily, SPLC and the Army of God as to what evidence they have for any of this.</p>
<p>At this point, they are silent.</p>
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