Comments on: Ken Ham of the Kentucky Creation ‘Museum’ being sued by Australian counterpart http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/06/04/ken-ham-of-the-kentucky-creation-museum-being-sued-by-australian-counterpart/ Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:38:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Chris Ho-Stuart http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/06/04/ken-ham-of-the-kentucky-creation-museum-being-sued-by-australian-counterpart/#comment-89673 Chris Ho-Stuart Sat, 09 Jun 2007 03:04:00 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=3191#comment-89673 Several people are asking here for more information. I have put together a compilation of all the information I have been able to find. You can read it at <a href="http://duoquartuncia.blogspot.com/2007/06/answers-in-genesis-lawsuit.html" rel="nofollow">Answers in Genesis lawsuit</a>. Most of the information is from the CMI website; they have opted for a policy of considerable openness, and have put up a wealth of material. AiG is so far playing matters very close to their chest; but CMI has obtained two emails from AiG that set out the AiG position; and put them up as well -- along with their own comments interspersed. If AiG puts up anything on their own websites, I will be linking to that as well. I've also got links to the court where the claim was filed; and to many blogs or sites that have addressed the matter. Several people are asking here for more information. I have put together a compilation of all the information I have been able to find. You can read it at Answers in Genesis lawsuit.

Most of the information is from the CMI website; they have opted for a policy of considerable openness, and have put up a wealth of material. AiG is so far playing matters very close to their chest; but CMI has obtained two emails from AiG that set out the AiG position; and put them up as well — along with their own comments interspersed. If AiG puts up anything on their own websites, I will be linking to that as well.

I’ve also got links to the court where the claim was filed; and to many blogs or sites that have addressed the matter.

]]> By: Bene Diction http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/06/04/ken-ham-of-the-kentucky-creation-museum-being-sued-by-australian-counterpart/#comment-89629 Bene Diction Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:14:30 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=3191#comment-89629 Thanks Saint, I''ve been away from the computer and wasn't able to repond to Darwin's valid questions. Again, well done! Thanks Saint, I”ve been away from the computer and wasn’t able to repond to Darwin’s valid questions. Again, well done!

]]> By: saint http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/06/04/ken-ham-of-the-kentucky-creation-museum-being-sued-by-australian-counterpart/#comment-89621 saint Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:17:15 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=3191#comment-89621 Darwin, Follow Bene's links to Bartholemew, and check links and comments (including link to and comments on Pharyngula) and all sorts of stuff come to the fore. Also google Creation Science Foundation (which was the previous incarnation of CRI I have since found out) and Ken Ham or Kenneth Ham. Try Kenneth Ham/Ken Ham and AOG, Kenneth Ham/Ken Ham and Adelaide.... It seems Kenneth moved to the U.S. because the marketing opportunities were better. The crew remaining in Oz supposedly focus on science matters. This dispute does have some foundation. What makes me sad is the thousands of people who have given their money to support all this, but on the other hand we all have to take responsibility for our decisions, including the decision not to think for ourselves. Darwin,
Follow Bene’s links to Bartholemew, and check links and comments (including link to and comments on Pharyngula) and all sorts of stuff come to the fore.

Also google Creation Science Foundation (which was the previous incarnation of CRI I have since found out) and Ken Ham or Kenneth Ham.

Try Kenneth Ham/Ken Ham and AOG, Kenneth Ham/Ken Ham and Adelaide….

It seems Kenneth moved to the U.S. because the marketing opportunities were better. The crew remaining in Oz supposedly focus on science matters. This dispute does have some foundation.

What makes me sad is the thousands of people who have given their money to support all this, but on the other hand we all have to take responsibility for our decisions, including the decision not to think for ourselves.

]]> By: Darwin http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/06/04/ken-ham-of-the-kentucky-creation-museum-being-sued-by-australian-counterpart/#comment-89619 Darwin Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:28:56 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=3191#comment-89619 Can anyone find out if: 1. Ham, being so overtly biblical, is his real name? 2.Did he emigrate legally? 3. Are there any wonderfully hypocritical perversions/scandals in his past? There often are with repressed fundamentalists. I did read that his wife, Mally, is a very, very submissive and supportive wife. Sweet Thanks to any and all. I live near the museum and toured it a year ago and then again last week. It is frighteningly Orwellian. Can anyone find out if:
1. Ham, being so overtly biblical, is his real name?
2.Did he emigrate legally?
3. Are there any wonderfully hypocritical perversions/scandals in his past? There often are with repressed fundamentalists. I did read that his wife, Mally, is a very, very submissive and supportive wife. Sweet
Thanks to any and all.
I live near the museum and toured it a year ago and then again last week. It is frighteningly Orwellian.

]]> By: Bene Diction http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/06/04/ken-ham-of-the-kentucky-creation-museum-being-sued-by-australian-counterpart/#comment-89612 Bene Diction Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:17:15 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=3191#comment-89612 Excellent as always Saint, thank you! Excellent as always Saint, thank you!

]]> By: Bene Diction http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/06/04/ken-ham-of-the-kentucky-creation-museum-being-sued-by-australian-counterpart/#comment-89611 Bene Diction Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:15:08 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=3191#comment-89611 Hi Truth Seeker: A Museum is: "A building, place, or institution devoted to the acquisition, conservation, study, exhibition, and educational interpretation of objects having scientific, historical, or artistic value." Creationism is a belief system, that is not limited to Christianity. There have been thousands of creation myths over time in all people in the world. Flat Earthers Geocentrists Young Earth Creationists (Omphalos) Old Earth Creationists Gap Creationism) (Day-Age Creationism) (Progressive Creationism) (Intelligent Design Creationism) Evolutionary Creationists Theistic Evolutionists Methodological Materialistic Evolutionists Philosophical Materialistic Evolutionists Raelians Panspermia Catastrophic Evolution Islamic Vedic American Indian Current Ken Ham creationist beliefs may well have validity in a 'museum' under something other than a scientific label. Exhibit, venue, entertainment, teaching centre... Hi Truth Seeker:

A Museum is:

“A building, place, or institution devoted to the acquisition, conservation, study, exhibition, and educational interpretation of objects having scientific, historical, or artistic value.”

Creationism is a belief system, that is not limited to Christianity. There have been thousands of creation myths over time in all people in the world.

Flat Earthers Geocentrists Young Earth Creationists (Omphalos)
Old Earth Creationists Gap Creationism) (Day-Age Creationism)
(Progressive Creationism) (Intelligent Design Creationism)
Evolutionary Creationists
Theistic Evolutionists
Methodological Materialistic Evolutionists
Philosophical Materialistic Evolutionists
Raelians
Panspermia
Catastrophic Evolution
Islamic
Vedic
American Indian

Current Ken Ham creationist beliefs may well have validity in a ‘museum’ under something other than a scientific label.
Exhibit, venue, entertainment, teaching centre…

]]> By: saint http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/06/04/ken-ham-of-the-kentucky-creation-museum-being-sued-by-australian-counterpart/#comment-89610 saint Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:01:49 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=3191#comment-89610 Yep, this should be a <a href="http://www.wheremostneeded.org/2007/05/creation_museum.html" rel="nofollow">good starting point</a>. Yep, this should be a good starting point.

]]> By: saint http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/06/04/ken-ham-of-the-kentucky-creation-museum-being-sued-by-australian-counterpart/#comment-89609 saint Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:57:03 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=3191#comment-89609 I'll try and dig up more info for you Bene. But CRI refers to <a href="http://www.icr.org/article/737/" rel="nofollow">Christian Research Insitute</a> where Ham once worked, and I am trying to think if he established an AiG magazine while in Oz or something. I think there was some controversy at a university or two down here with reference to this group(s). Hmmm, do I know any long time young earth creationists down here who may remember... I’ll try and dig up more info for you Bene. But CRI refers to Christian Research Insitute where Ham once worked, and I am trying to think if he established an AiG magazine while in Oz or something. I think there was some controversy at a university or two down here with reference to this group(s).

Hmmm, do I know any long time young earth creationists down here who may remember…

]]> By: saint http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/06/04/ken-ham-of-the-kentucky-creation-museum-being-sued-by-australian-counterpart/#comment-89608 saint Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:43:28 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=3191#comment-89608 Heh, I just started a series of blog posts on why I am not a creationist. And while I don't like people suing each other much less those of us who purport to be Christians, if I were truthful, and I try to be :-) I am not unhappy about this even though the whole enterprise and all that surrounds it is not exactly what I would call a Christian witness. Fortunately, our Father is bigger than all of us and can't be thwarted. And well if it drives people away from the 'fundamentalist' extreme of Christianity, I will just smile - again - at His supreme sense of irony. BTW Ken Ham started out his career in my home town. Being somewhat parochial, happy to (gently and with LERV) disown him a bit but. :-) Heh, I just started a series of blog posts on why I am not a creationist. And while I don’t like people suing each other much less those of us who purport to be Christians, if I were truthful, and I try to be :-) I am not unhappy about this even though the whole enterprise and all that surrounds it is not exactly what I would call a Christian witness.

Fortunately, our Father is bigger than all of us and can’t be thwarted. And well if it drives people away from the ‘fundamentalist’ extreme of Christianity, I will just smile - again - at His supreme sense of irony.

BTW Ken Ham started out his career in my home town. Being somewhat parochial, happy to (gently and with LERV) disown him a bit but. :-)

]]> By: TruthSeeker http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2007/06/04/ken-ham-of-the-kentucky-creation-museum-being-sued-by-australian-counterpart/#comment-89605 TruthSeeker Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:51:43 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=3191#comment-89605 Why is "Museum" in quotes? Why is “Museum” in quotes?

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