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	<title>Comments on: God and Country - the state of Evangelical isolation in the US</title>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first denomination I recall speaking up was Catholic.

Then The National Council of Churches, World Council of Churches and the list grew.

I agree, I don't think the average American and the average US evangelical thinks about Iraq one way or the other. 
It's going to take a lot more deaths, a lot more deployments and time away from family and a lot more wounded before the government hears it's citizens. 

We're wrestling with our military role in Afganistan, and not just on a political level. It wasn't the six hearses on the 401, or the 16 cents on the dollar being spent on reconstruction, or NATO. It's some of a lot of things. 

 It is quite an extraordinary statement and it would be interesting to see his data.
This may have been the Pew Trust report he referenced.

http://pewforum.org/events/index.php?EventID=49</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first denomination I recall speaking up was Catholic.</p>
<p>Then The National Council of Churches, World Council of Churches and the list grew.</p>
<p>I agree, I don&#8217;t think the average American and the average US evangelical thinks about Iraq one way or the other.<br />
It&#8217;s going to take a lot more deaths, a lot more deployments and time away from family and a lot more wounded before the government hears it&#8217;s citizens. </p>
<p>We&#8217;re wrestling with our military role in Afganistan, and not just on a political level. It wasn&#8217;t the six hearses on the 401, or the 16 cents on the dollar being spent on reconstruction, or NATO. It&#8217;s some of a lot of things. </p>
<p> It is quite an extraordinary statement and it would be interesting to see his data.<br />
This may have been the Pew Trust report he referenced.</p>
<p><a href="http://pewforum.org/events/index.php?EventID=49" rel="nofollow">http://pewforum.org/events/index.php?EventID=49</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Byron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Byron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 01:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...almost every Christian leader in the world (and almost every nonevangelical leader in the United States) voiced opposition to the war.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Smells like American Exceptionalism to me; the rest of the world thinks we're doing it wrong, but we insist &lt;i&gt;we're&lt;/i&gt; the ones doing it right.

I'm not sure if he polled evangelical leaders in other countries; Catholic and modern mainline Protestant thought leans towards pacifism, or at least a very tight version of Just War that's hard to meet. Evangelicals tend to be disorganized, so the big voices coming out of the rest of the Christian world will be the Catholics and mainliners, who have more centralized churches with leaders who can speak for their flock.

Is the less-than-stellar result in Iraq an indictment of God-and-country conservative evangelicals, like the folks at Porter Memorial a bit west of me in Lexington? Possibly, but the majority of American evangelicals aren't card-carrying foreign policy neocons. Supportive of a right-of-center government and of the military, yes, but not in a knee-jerk way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;almost every Christian leader in the world (and almost every nonevangelical leader in the United States) voiced opposition to the war.</p></blockquote>
<p>Smells like American Exceptionalism to me; the rest of the world thinks we&#8217;re doing it wrong, but we insist <i>we&#8217;re</i> the ones doing it right.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if he polled evangelical leaders in other countries; Catholic and modern mainline Protestant thought leans towards pacifism, or at least a very tight version of Just War that&#8217;s hard to meet. Evangelicals tend to be disorganized, so the big voices coming out of the rest of the Christian world will be the Catholics and mainliners, who have more centralized churches with leaders who can speak for their flock.</p>
<p>Is the less-than-stellar result in Iraq an indictment of God-and-country conservative evangelicals, like the folks at Porter Memorial a bit west of me in Lexington? Possibly, but the majority of American evangelicals aren&#8217;t card-carrying foreign policy neocons. Supportive of a right-of-center government and of the military, yes, but not in a knee-jerk way.</p>
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		<title>By: far away, peering in</title>
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		<dc:creator>far away, peering in</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That verse from Amos is compelling - too often we try to do everything to please God, but we're totally off the mark.  And it's not always easy to tell that we're off, which is the frustrating part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That verse from Amos is compelling - too often we try to do everything to please God, but we&#8217;re totally off the mark.  And it&#8217;s not always easy to tell that we&#8217;re off, which is the frustrating part.</p>
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