The pastor of Arlington’s High Point Church told his congregation Sunday that he stood by the church’s decision to retract an offer to host a memorial service for a gay man, prompting applause from the hundreds in the crowd.

“With all the negative e-mail we are receiving right now, it seems that the homosexual community, God bless them all, are very organized,” said the Rev. Gary Simons, referring to the reaction to the church’s decision, which has generated news coverage around the world and lighted up gay and religious blogs.

“Before, when you type in ‘Gary Simons’ and ‘High Point Church’ in a Google search, you know, you could find us.  But now, you really could find us.”

Hmmm. So a couple of hundred  media outlets, and couple of thousand blogs, including Christians and military vets are part of the organized homosexual community. I can’t think of why anyone would wish to find this church website, but here you go.  Flashy.

He said that that the nondenominational church did not realize until the last minute that Mr. Sinclair, a Navy veteran who served in the Persian Gulf War, was gay and that his homosexuality would be mentioned at the service.

It’s his story and he is sticking to it.

The family says that it should have been obvious to church staff immediately that Mr. Sinclair was gay. They say that Paul Wagner, 38, was introduced to a High Point audio-visual minister, who came to the hospital on Monday night, as the deceased’s partner.

This fact has been confirmed by more than one source. Cecil Howard Sinclair died Monday.  The church chose not to cancel the memorial until Wednesday night.  There is more than a communication problem, there seems to be some disagreement in leadership.  Gary Simons didn’t say a word to his congregation about the video he told Dallas Morning News on Thursday that:

 ”Some of those photos had very strong homosexual images of kissing and hugging,” he said. “My ministry associates were taken aback.”

And then, he said, the family asked to have its own people officiate the service. “We had no control over the format of the memorial,”

High Point Church opposes homosexuality, and there was no way the church could host a service that appeared to endorse it, Mr. Simons said.

“Can you hold the event and condone the sin and compromise our principles?” he said. “We can’t.”

The issue was not so much that Mr. Sinclair was, from the church’s perspective, an unrepentant sinner, he said. It’s that it was clear from the photos that his friends and family wanted that part of his life to be a significant part of the service.

The pastor said that he could imagine a similar situation involving a different sin. Perhaps a mother who is a member of the church loses a son who is a thief or murderer, Mr. Simons said. The church would surely volunteer to hold a service, he said.

“But I don’t think the mother would submit photos of her son murdering someone,” he said. “That’s a red light going off.”

After the church decided it would not host the funeral service, it offered to pay for another facility, Mr. Simons said. The family declined and found a local funeral home to hold the event Thursday night.  Even so, the church sent over food and the video – minus the images church officials found to be offensive.

A reporter for The Dallas Morning News (Jason Trahan) has seen the photos/video. There was no hugging and kissing. So the family isn’t lying, not misguided and misinterpreting in shock from their grief or misunderstanding their sense of appropriateness of the video.

Simons did not say a word about the video to his congregation and what he told AP on Friday:

…the Rev. Gary Simons, said no one knew Sinclair was gay until the day before the Thursday service, when staff members putting together his video tribute saw pictures of men “engaging in clear affection, kissing and embracing.”

Simons said the church believes homosexuality is a sin, but it would have appeared to endorse that lifestyle if the service had been held there. The family had asked for an outside officiant — a gay men’s chorus conductor — and an open microphone for anyone to speak

This isn’t news either, it’s already been reported and the family responded with compliance for the church request for an alter call. Simons is a control freak and he was concerned that:

…the family “requested an open-microphone format to allow anyone in attendance to speak” and chose someone outside High Point to direct the service. “It appeared to the church staff that the family was requesting an openly homosexual service at High Point Church, which is not our policy to allow.”

Cecil Howard Sinclair was a member of The Turtle Creek Chorale.  Conductor Emeritus Dr. Tim Seelig was the one asked to lead the memorial. The church never contacted him.

They never asked what we were going to sing,” said Dr. Seelig, who was a Baptist music minister before becoming leader of Turtle Creek two decades ago. “And ‘Amazing Grace’ – that’s hardy a gay pride rally song. I’m real clear as to what is appropriate at a church memorial service and what is not.”

I have received comments from Elaine Simons under one of the two posts here at BDBO, as well as comments from Cecil’s partner David Wagner, members of The Turtle Creek Chorale, as well as some of Cecil Howard Sinclair’s friends. 
Elaine Simons says in the comment section she was with Gary Simons and his family this weekend and they were grieved. 
Gary Simons got applause from his congregation for his principles Sunday.

Now that things have died down a bit, and Gary Simons has a bit of control back - here is the PR statement read to the congregation and given to media.

High Point Church regrets the unfortunate situation regarding the memorial service for Mr. Cecil Sinclair. Mr. Sinclair was not a member of High Point Church, neither was anyone in his family, except for Lee Sinclair, who is employed by the church. Lee requested for the church to pray for his brother when he became ill. The church prayed for Mr. Sinclair both enthusiastically and faithfully. Lee called one of our ministers to inform him that his brother was in the hospital in critical condition.

“When the High Point minister arrived at the hospital, Mr. Sinclair had already passed. The church minister reached out to the family and tried to comfort them the best that he could. The church did offer the family, free of charge, the use of this facility for the memorial service. It was not disclosed at this time that the deceased was homosexual or that the family desired an openly homosexual memorial service.

“The family requested that the church produce a video of Mr. Sinclair’s life for the memorial service. When the photos were presented to the church, there were some inappropriate images that alerted the church to the homosexuality of Mr. Sinclair. The family requested an associate of the Turtle Creek Chorale, an openly homosexual choir, to officiate the service and for the choir to sing. They also requested an open microphone format to allow anyone in attendance to speak. High Point Church ministers would not be allowed to direct the service, or to have control over what was said or emphasized. It appeared to the church staff that the family was requesting an openly homosexual service at High Point Church, which is not our policy to allow.

“The decision was made to retract the offer to host the memorial service. It is important to emphasize that this was not a funeral service for a body to be buried, but only a memorial service. Both Lee and his sister Kathleen were informed of the decision. The decision had nothing to do with the fact that Mr. Sinclair was a veteran. High Point Church does now and has always supported our men and women in the military.

“This decision was not based on hate, or discrimination, but upon principle and policy.

“We cannot glorify homosexually as a lifestyle. We cannot put inappropriate images on our screens or subject our members, and possibly even our children, to an openly homosexual service. We cannot condone what the word of God condemns.

“The issue is not whether we hold a memorial service in a lifestyle of sin. We’ve assisted many families in this regard. The issue is whether we would allow an openly homosexual memorial service in our church. We love the homosexual, but cannot condone the homosexual lifestyle. We could not allow homosexuality to be glorified in this house of worship.

“To assist the family in securing another location, an offer was made to pay for alternative venue, which the family declined. We produced for the family a memorial video they requested without the inappropriate photos. We also prepared and delivered food for the family and 100 relatives and friends. Our love for the family was demonstrated over and again in our many acts of kindness and concern. Many of our faithful members spent hours cooking and preparing the meals and our staff worked diligently to meet the needs of the family.

“Many of our staff members went to the memorial service in support of the family. The memorial service located at Moore Funeral Home did confirm our concerns, as the tone was openly homosexual.

“The church believes that the right decision has been made and holds firm to its convictions concerning homosexuality.

“It’s our desire to always demonstrate the love of Christ to all people in both word and deed. We would hope that the Sinclair family and the homosexual community would see our love for them through the many acts of kindness and outreach that we have extended to them. We realize that they might not agree with our convictions, but we hope that they would respect them.

“We do love and pray for the Sinclair family, and ask God’s strength and comfort to be with them during this difficult time.”

Yes, I can fully appreciate they regret all the bad publicity they got from his original statements and the churches behavior. It’s not news that Cecil Sinclair was not a member of Arlington High Point Church. Most of his family is Church of Christ. That’s been reported.

The church started off by doing a couple of things we Christians expect ourselves to do. They gave Lee a job, they prayed for Cecil for six years, they offered their facility.  Since Cecil Sinclair was a Desert Storm vet, that’s a plus for the church image.
It’s the amazing excuses they gave to the family Wednesday. Paul Wagner:

On Wednesday evening about 6pm, we received a call. The person on the line put Cecil’s brother Lee, who is mentally impaired, onto the phone. Lee informed us that something had gone wrong, and then someone else got on the phone. That person informed us that a terrible string of errors was made, and that the service could no longer be held at their facility. We never spoke to the pastor nor anyone from his administration directly. It was all done through middlemen. When we requested to know why we could no longer use their facility, there was no answer. They simply stated a mistake was made.

Later that night, while we were scrambling to find another location, Cecil’s niece called back to the church and demanded an explanation. It was at that time a very long string of excuses began to form. First she was told that it was because we were bringing in outside food, which they didn’t allow.

Then we were told it was because there was construction going on nearby which they felt would be too obtrusive. We said we didn’t think it would interfere. Then we were told it was because there was a scheduling conflict. When asked was other event was being held that was conflicting, the call was disconnected.

The family said ministry staff from High Point Church could speak. Cecil’s mother:

“We could have reached a compromise,” she said. “That was never attempted.”

At least some theological questions could have been worked out, she said. For instance, the family was willing to allow the church to issue an “altar call” asking people to accept Jesus at the end of the service.

Gary Simons is determined to dehumanize Cecil Sinclair, Paul Wagner, the Sinclair family and the Wright family as well as Cecil’s friends. He has not been able to.
Nor can he label Christians, none Christians, vets, media and bloggers as ‘ part of the organized homosexual community.’ 
He is attempting to guilt critics of his original words and behavior and make everyone who spoke up look bad. He is trying very hard to be the victim. 
Simons is unable to acknowledge he and his staff did anything wrong. Here is what Tim Seelig told The Dallas Morning News after the memorial:

“Organized Religion vs. GLBT Community Battle” reaches new low!
And I didn’t even know I was a part of the fray this time around!

In addition to being offended by pictures submitted for a video presentation showing affection between Cecil and his life partner, church officials said they were concerned they did not know who was going to officiate the service and would not have control over the content. That someone was me! They never contacted me to ask what the content would be, so how would they know?

My former chorus, the Turtle Creek Chorale, provided the music, as Cecil was a member for many years. This is not new territory for the Chorale. We were banned from performing for a choral convention some years ago at First Baptist Church, Dallas. The church administrator said, “If there were a choir of adulterers in town, we wouldn’t let them sing at the church.” But it is a huge leap from being compared to adulterers back then to murderers today, as Pastor Simons was quoted this week. I was asked by a reporter if I thought they were afraid of the choir. I said I didn’t think so. The Chorale sang “Amazing Grace,” hardly standard gay pride rally music.

I knew Cecil for almost 9 years. I remember very well his story of returning from Desert Shield deciding he could no longer live a lie. He courageously came out — risking, and indeed losing, his biological family, most of whom belong to the Church of Christ. And I remember vividly every time one of them came back into his life — because he either e-mailed me or phoned to rejoice that they had been reunited.

Thursday’s memorial service was one of the most moving, love-filled experiences in memory. The room was literally packed — standing room only. Every single person, including Cecil’s Father, Mother and Sister shared thoughts emphasizing how much they loved him and how proud they were of him – “just as he was.” The service exhibited a true Christian spirit that not even a local pastor could diminish or erase with words of hate. We would all be lucky to have such an outpouring of love upon our own passing from this earth.

These days are difficult. Even when we think we have made huge steps forward, we are reminded by the whiplash of such an experience that the steps have not been so great. It is most often the very people who preach the gospel who forget the truth at its base — unconditional love and absence of judgment. Instead, they hurl their insults and retreat further into their ignorance, fear and rigidity.

I was humbled to be in the presence of Cecil’s family and friends and honored to officiate at the service. Cecil never wavered from his belief that he had done the right thing in living a life of truth. His life was far from having been lived in vain in so many ways. His passing has made an enormous impact on countless people who have now read or heard his story and rejoiced in his life and in the legacy he has left.

From Desert Shield to the front page of the Dallas Morning News — this is a life we honor and celebrate for its courage. I am so proud to have known him - and his family.

Tim Seelig
Director, Art for Peace & Justice
Conductor Emeritus, Turtle Creek Chorale

The other venue the church offered was a community centre. Given they offered a piece of the mega facility for free Monday, offering to pay for a community centre is odd and creepy. Why not just a funeral home? How many minister associates attended?
Yes, as stated several times the church made the video.

According to Paul Wagner, here is what happened with the food:

we then moved to the light meal that had been prepared. Meat and cheese sandwiches, cakes, and cookies. Only a small amount of this was offered by the church, most was either brought by family or friends.

Arlington High Point Church did offer a bit of food. Not quite as grand as Gary Simons would have us believe. Look at his statement. They slaved!  Diligently! Cooking for hours! His hyperbole about all the work and love that went into all that food is something, isn’t it? 

And that dreadful open mic format - the openly homosexual service?

We started with a brief welcome by the officiator. A song (For the Fallen) was sung. Cecil’s obituary was read. We then played the video which was about 10 minutes long, showing him from childhood, graduation, his naval service, and family gatherings, especially those from his 46th birthday, which had just been on the 5th of July.

The officiator then read from personal family statements and remembrances of him. His mother, father, uncle and sister had all contributed personal insights into his life that they were not able to state themselves due to grief. A time was then allowed for individuals to come to the mike and offer their own personal remembrances of him. The chorale then sang another song (Amazing Grace). Closing remarks were made by the officiator.

The family needs to be left alone to grieve.
They had been clear about what happened to them.
I’ve been told I’m demonizing Gary Simons. I don’t need or want to. He is a control freak. Dear God! People! We can’t allow anyone in our church who might express love and gratitude for a homosexual ‘just the way his is!’ 
I believe Simons genuinely believes that statement he released today.
He believes his sermon. He believes his prayer.  He believes every word of it.
He thinks he and his staff were wonderful! Their love overflowing! Their prayers unceasing! Their compassion outstanding! Their efforts stuning!  His righteousness worthy of  proper media attention so we can all see how wonderfully long suffering they  are! Many (how many?) of his brave staff went to an openly homosexual service!
He honestly believes he has righteously stood against sin! He has led his congregation to stand against sin!
He honestly believes he is kind and tolerant. 
He is completely convinced he is right.
He believes he is being persecuted for righteousness sake.
He actually believes what he said.
Not  “I’m sorry. We didn’t handle this well.”
It’s the family’s fault, it’s Cecil’s fault, it’s Paul Wagners fault, it’s The Turtle Creek Chorale’s fault, it’s the media’s fault and bloggers fault for misunderstanding how incredibly loving and amazing Gary Simons and his staff are.
It’s our fault Simons regrets the church got world wide bad publicity.
I went to gay news sites, some have linked here because I’ve covered this in great depth. 

They reported facts. No grand conspiracy, or sinful organized agenda.
No one out to get Gary Simons, his rights, his beliefs and his church. 
Some comments are raw, death is raw, grief is raw, shunning is raw, lying is raw.
People feel.
But hundreds and hundreds blogs and blog comments are not coming from an ‘organized homosexual community’, they are coming from church goers. Pew sitters. Hundreds more are coming from people who have walked away from US religion.
Hundreds more from people that won’t darken a church door.
But that isn’t what Gary Simons wants his congregation to know. Here is what he told them this morning.

High Point Church has come under attack by the homosexual community, God bless them all. They’re disturbed that we would not allow an openly homosexual memorial service in our church. We took at stand against it.

Gary Simons reserved his best spin speaking to his congregation about all the sinners out there that disagree with what he said and the disgust at how his church treated this grieving family. He gives his local paper a real whack, they broke the story.

I want to thanks you for all your positive emails of support. Many of you, when you read in The Dallas Morning News and other places of the attack we were under, you immediately sent us emails and we appreciate your support in this. Those emails are like a treasure found in a field. With all the negative email we are receiving right now, it seems that the homosexual community, God bless them all, are very organized. Before, when you type in Gary Simons and High Point Church in a Google search, you know, you could find us. But now, you really could find us.Any time you stand up for truth, any time you stand up for righteousness you have to understand that the world is not like that and they will resist it. If god be for us, who can be against us? I’m not discouraged, I’m encouraged!

Here is one of the ‘negative emails’ High Point Church got from the ‘organized homosexual community.’ This is from a heterosexual US evangelical.

Folks,

Obviously the media is adept at not telling the whole story, but assuming I have heard the story correctly - I believe you were mistaken to cancel the service for Cecil Howard Sinclair.

I am a theologically conservative Evangelical Christian, and I believe - like you - that homosexuality is a sin.

Everyone in your church is a sinner. If your church is average, near 50% of your men are committing adultery with pornography; and some of your pastors are included.

Nearly everyone of the members in your church has committed - probably recently - one of the actions of a “depraved mind” listed at the end of Romans 1.

I believe your church has violated the admonition of Paul in the first few verses of Romans 2 - immediately following the laundry list including Pauls’ condemnation of homosexuality.

“Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things. But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?”

I urge you to repent this decision, apologize to the family, re-schedule the service, and show the love of Christ to this gay neighbor’s grieving family. That would be the mark of a Christian lifestyle.

In Christ,
John Howell

Prior posts on Arlington High Point Church and the Sinclair family, links and comments  here and here.

Guest book for Cecil Howard Sinclair.


16 Responses to “Arlington High Point Church responds to world wide criticism - The sad treatment of Cecil Sinclair hits another low point”

  1. 1 BD 

    Some more ‘negative attack email’ from another Christian.

    Dear Rev. Simons:

    I join millions of Christians across our nation in deep dismay and embarrassment after learning of your decision not to offer funeral services to a United States veteran because of his sexual orientation.
    Your decision reflects poorly on all Christians and is based on a fundamental misreading of God’s will.

    In Matthew Chapter 22 we hear:

    “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greaest?” He said to him,” You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbour as yourself. (NRSV)

    When you turned this family away didn’t you break the greatest commandment of all? After all, Jesus says not a bad word about gays. But He does preach about love and compassion being available for everyone.

    You abandoned a family in need during a time of crisis. At the very least, this is a gross violation of professional pastoral ethics.

    Please take this time to re-examine your understanding of Scripture. Open your heart to God’s love and compassion. We can all learn from this mistake by looking into our own hearts and finding those places where we fail God.

    Your brother in Christ,

    Rev. Chuck Currie
    http://chuckcurrie.blogs.com/chuck_currie/2007/08/high-point-chur.html

  2. 2 Pieter Friedrich 

    Thank you for posting this. I hadn’t heard about it until I looked at your blog, and I’m glad to see you covering it. I’m sending an email to Pastor Simons expressing my appreciation that he took a stand, despite harsh criticism, for Biblical principle.

  3. 3 salut 

    This is the letter I sent to some of the staff at High Point.

    Dear Bobby and Robert,

    I recently heard through the news that you denied a gay man a memorial service at your church. It saddened me to hear this, especially as a fellow minister at a megachurch. I used to also believe that it was a sin to have a homosexual orientation, but after taking seminary classes at multi-denominational Fuller Seminary, I realized, through scientific research and Bible study, that sexual orientation is no more a choice than being left-handed. I challenge you to find even one study that has been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal that says people can change their orientation. The Minnesota Family Council, an organization opposed to gay relationships, thought that they had found a study that proved their viewpoint that you could change your orientation. It was published by Dr. Robert Spitzer and it was the sole study, on their website, used to prove their point. Unfortunately for their point, Dr. Spitzer spoke out in February of this year saying that while he thought change was possible, he thought it was very rare, occurring in only about 1-2% of people who actually try to change. Those numbers do not scream success to me, do they to you? You can find out more about Dr. Spitzer and other researchers at http://www.respectmyresearch.org.

    As a fellow minister, I want to let you know how loving everyone, regardless of their actions, has affected my church. My church started with just a couple families 25 years ago and has grown to a community of 8,000 people. We are located in the suburbs, but we let people with all different kinds of relationships with God and different lifestyles minister. It kind of shocked me at first to let most anyone who was safe and interested in ministering do so, but God has so greatly blessed this church that I had to at least discover how it worked. What I saw were parents, who didn’t think they were good enough, ministering to their children in organized small groups. I saw people who were caught up in sins that many churches traditionally love to hate, choosing to continue their relationship with God instead of dropping Him because the people of the church chose to show God’s unconditional love to them. For the first time, I saw a church where extreme conservatives and extreme liberals could both feel at home, because the focus was on community and loving God, not on divisive issues that can often take the focus off of God.

    In my church’s welcoming way, funerals for non-members who may not have led a traditional Christian life are allowed and even celebrated. It lets people in the community know that they are welcome here, even if they’re not perfect and more importantly, it show’s God’s unbelievable grace to the family members of the loved one who just died.

    I will admit, I definitely do not know all the details surrounding your church’s decision, but I will say that none of us can live up to all the principles of the Christian faith and that we are only saved by the mind-blowing grace of Jesus, who is the only one who can judge our hearts.

    God’s peace,

    Lauren

  4. 4 BD 

    Truth Wins Out issued a Press Release August 13, 2007 and has more to say at the website.

    “High Point Church’s pastor, Rev. Gary Simons, should immediately resign for gross insensitivity of a family in mourning, substituting bad manners for good morals and a dereliction of duty for failing to provide basic pastoral care.

    This is not a church, but a ‘hate house’ that has elevated prejudice above principle and discrimination above basic human decency.

    These ignorant comments are a new low point for High Point Church and a monument to the malignant homophobia that has infected many religious institutions.

    The hellish treatment of a family in mourning by a supposed house of God is an abomination and we strongly urge pastor Simons to resign. These ugly actions are a glimpse of the unconscionable religion-based bigotry often faced by gay and lesbian people on a daily basis.

    While we hold that churches have the right to engage in such despicable behavior, they also have the responsibility to show love and respect for all people and not kick them when they are down.”

    Wayne Bresen
    http://www.truthwinsout.org/uncategorized/truth-wins-out-condemns-mega-church-pastor-for-cancelling-memorial-service-for-gay-veteran/#more-230

  5. 5 Jack Parkes 

    I have come to this rather later than most as this situation begins to be discussed here in Great Britain. My own feelings, which I expressed by e-mail to the church leadership, relate to Jesus’ regular and deliberate practice of spending quality social time with the outcasts and marginalised of his own time. He did this to make a point to the pious and the Pharisee. The leadership and congregation of High Point Church also seem to have missed the point.

    Jack Parkes
    Lay Minister
    St. Luke’s Lutheran Congregation
    Leeds,
    West Yorkshire
    England

  6. 6 Bene Diction 

    Jack, if you feel free to share that email, please do.
    I know it’s hard for ministers to weigh in.

    Just pop it into this comment section.
    Some of the people defending High Point Churchs theological stand, are not seeing the email and links just at this blog.
    They don’t seem to have any idea of what kind of pain they have caused.

    While High Point Church has it’s defenders - what is way past high time is the number of quiet Christians that are speaking and saying, this was wrong. We need to say it as lovingly and as strongly as we can.

    I’m not getting any indication High Point Church leadership is hearing, but others are.

    I am surprised adults are scared. But in that church, and in this culture, some genuinely are. God, have mercy.

  7. 7 Monica Dobbs 

    Hi Bene, thanks for the comment.
    You know, I was raised Christian, but left the church. As far as the majority of christian’s are concerned, I’m going to purgatory, if not hell, b/c I’m a polytheist.
    But anyways, back to topic…

    In one of my rants in both my blog and on the military.com forums, I questioned how many other people with lifestyles that don’t follow the church’s teaching have had a service there.

    “How many memorial services have been held in that church for lazy people (sloth), greedy people, gluttonous people, jealous people (envy), prideful people, lustful people, or angry people (wrath)? Those are the seven deadly sins.

    And how many times has a service been held for a divorced person, someone divorced not for a reason now sanctioned by Church, such as abuse, but for ‘irreconcilable differences’ per se…?

    How many memorial services have been held for someone who was a never-married single parent, and the child was not the product of a crime? Or someone who was living in sin, ’shacking up’ out of wedlock?

    If this church holds a memorial service for ANYONE who has committed ANY of these sins (and face it, every one of us has committed at LEAST two or three of these!!) then they had NO RIGHT to refuse this service on the grounds of morality.

    And I’m thinking it’s safe to say that not every sinner whose service was held at this church repented, by the way.”

    Maybe someday it will come to people’s attention that religion in general is the cause of the majority of the world’s (inter-personal) problems.

  8. 8 BD 

    “And I’m thinking it’s safe to say that not every sinner whose service was held at this church repented, by the way.”

    I’m thinking that’s safe to say too.:^)

    You mentioned purgatory. Catholic priests are not supposed to break canon law and bury suicides. If we said we knew priests that have broken that law, the law was broken was because the priest obeyed the highest one, the law of Love.

  9. 9 C Lowe 

    I am not surprise by the lukewarm christians thinking homosexuality is okay. This is as written in scripture. I am not surprised by the twisted media coverage that promotes every form of sin every written about.
    I not surprised by the gay agenda taking over as many are.
    None of this surprises me one bit.

    Still, I think all of those pro-gay lovers should read history a little more closely. You’ll find that every nation that has promoted homosexuality has been destroyed, every single one. No, not instantly, unless you’re talking about Sodom and Gomorrah. Where is ancient Rome or ancient Greece? They’re dead! Are we next? Many know but rarely will one speak out about this. Too many are afraid of what their neighbor might say.

    Do you want some man to teach that lifestyle to your sons? How about some woman teaching that lifestyle to your daughters?

    Better look around you real closely and see what’s happening here. You may be very surprised before long.

  10. 10 Priddy 

    C Lowe:

    “lukewarm christians”~~~rudeness. Not being familiar with the Bible, I would ask that you quote the passage(s)/verse(s) that say homosexuality is wrong.

    In general, I do not disagree with the statement that media coverage is twisted in some cases, but where is your proof that this incident has been falsely reported? If not, you are making false accusations against some highly regarded journalists.

    Also, what exactly is the “gay agenda”? I’ve heard this phrase used before. I have a close friend who is been “out” for about 10 years and he doesn’t even know what that means.

    Now, as far as nations being destroyed, hmmm…is the United States going downhill because there are a bunch of gays running around on the loose or because almost anyone can buy a semi-automatic gun at a moment’s notice? What’s more damaging to our society: homos or serial killers? Gays or rapists? Lesbians or child molesters? Bi-sexuals or gay-bashers? All the homosexuals I’ve come in contact with are about the love. It seems to be the people that disagree with that lifestyle that are the trouble starters.

    “teaching that lifestyle” assumes that being gay is a learned way of life. Again, please submit some proof that it is a choice, if you can.

    I’ll keep going on this topic forever (or until BD boots me) until it is beaten to death if there is something to be taught or learned.

  11. 11 BD 

    Letter to High Point Church
    Dallas Morning News
    August 14, 2007

    As people of faith and leaders in the gay and lesbian community, we always hope that communities of faith will treat all people – regardless of sexual orientation – with dignity and respect, particularly in time of great need. Freedom of religion is an American right and a human value we hold dear, and High Point Church is certainly entitled to its beliefs.

    However, we wholeheartedly reject and condemn the remarks by the Rev. Gary Simons, High Point’s senior pastor, when he compared being gay to committing murder. It is particularly reprehensible that Mr. Simons chose to offer his remarks so personally toward Cecil Sinclair within days of his death, during his family’s greatest hour of need, and it is deplorable that Mr. Simons directed his comparison at a Navy veteran who served with honor.

    We hope Mr. Sinclair’s family and loved ones could celebrate his life in whatever way is meaningful to them. It is our hope, too, that communities of faith will ensure that no grieving family endures scornful judgment or disdain at the hands of its leaders.

    Signed,

    Patti Fink, president, Dallas Gay and Lesbian Alliance; Dr. Roger Wedell, co-chair, Dallas Religion and Faith Committee, Human Rights Campaign; the Rev. Michael Piazza, president, Hope for Peace & Justice; and Dr. Jo Hudson, senior pastor, Cathedral of Hope UCC, Dallas

  12. 12 Dave 

    Let me say that as an EX-HOMOSEXUAL, I fully support this churchs right to refuse to do the funeral, based on the content that was to be displayed. I feel deep sorrow for the family and pray for the deceased. I have been out of the homosexual lifestyle now for over 5 years, and have not looked back. Marraige was created by God, and has been always between one man and one woman. If folks like the ACLU have their way, bisxual marraige would exist (thats where you can marry both a man and a woman), polygamy, men marrying 12 year old girls, etc. One more thing: A child needs one mom and one dad, period. Ask most children would they want “2 dads” or “2 moms”, or any variation therof, and I know you’d get a resounding NO! Again, let me say that I feel deep sorrow for this family, but the churchs decision was correct.

  13. 13 Caleb Land 

    C Lowe, I wasn’t aware that “Ancient Rome” and “Ancient Greece” were countries. If you are referring to Greece and Rome, I do believe they are still in existence, albeit under new management.

    Priddy, I agree with you on Mr. Lowe’s rudeness. But, the Bible is fairly clear on the issue of homosexuality. In both the Old Testament (Genesis 19:1-29) and in the New Testament (Romans 1:24-28).

    However, as several other respondents to this post have made clear, it is possible to believe that homosexuality is a sin and still truly love gay people. God loves sinners, this is abundantly clear in that he sent his son to die for them. God sent his only son to die for gay people, so his church should be able to give a gay person a memorial service.

    I do believe in preaching and teaching the truth of God’s word, but what if the church had simply discussed with the family what could go on at the service. Perhaps the pastor could have introduced the service by stating that even though the church did not necessarily agree with the lifestyle of Mr. Sinclair, they acknowledged that all have sinned and fallen short of God’s glory, so they were opening the doors of the church to show his family the love of Jesus.

    For heaven’s sake, as an evangelistic church they had a great opportunity to share the gospel, since the family of Mr. Sinclair was perfectly willing for them to do so. At the least, they should have been honest and should now apologize for their mismanagement of this memorial service.

  14. 14 AngelSong 

    I posted this on another page, but it’s rather appropriate here too.

    As a Bible scholar who has studied the Bible in great detail in both Greek and Hebrew, I get so tired of the constant claim that the Bible states anything “clearly” or “unambiguously” about homosexuality. To even suggest such is to demonstrate a complete lack of any in depth study of the text, as only a shallow, literalistic, completely uninformed reading could yield such a result. If you actually have Scripture that you can attempt to interpret with any exegesis at all, wonderful, I would love to discuss it with you. But blanket statements with no evidence at all that profess to speak for all Christianity are at best disingenuous and at worst dishonest.

  15. 15 Priddy 

    Dave:

    A thought…I’m pretty sure that polygamy, bi-sexual marriage, and men marrying 12-year old girls all do exist anyway, without the ACLU’s involvement. A question…What is worse; an organization standing up for individual rights or someone/some people on behalf of a “house of God” treating a grieving family of a deceased man the way Cecil Sinclair’s loved ones were treated? I believe you have strayed far from the issue at hand. The issue in my eyes is not whether this church had the right to do what they did (because that is their freedom) but is whether these were moral acts, decent human-to-human acts that God would expect from his followers. Were these acts and behaviors towards Mr. Sinclair’s loved ones made out of God’s love? My perception in that they were not.

    Caleb Land:

    I do not proclaim to understand much from the Bible, myself. I appreciate you quoting these verses (is that the right word?) for me/everyone reading. However, you say that the Bible is “fairly” clear on issues of homosexuality. Doesn’t this ambiguity leave room for multiple interpretations (as AngelSong suggests)? I agree with your suggestion of how the church could have handled any misgivings they had with this memorial service. They most assuredly were ineffective in preaching the word of God to this poor family, and this would have been a golden opportunity for them to do so. Along with you, I would love nothing more than to see a sincere apology to Cecil Sinclair’s memory, his family, his friends, and his partner. Not for necessarily making the decision they made (although in my belief, it was hypocritical), but for it’s execution.

  16. 16 Gabe Coppinger 

    I’m so glad I found your blog!! Here’s what I wrote every person on staff at High Point:
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    glenda.simons@highpointchurch.com; joseph.davis@highpointchurch.com; bobby.yanick@highpointchurch.com; robert.baxter@highpointchurch.com; abel.pena@highpointchurch.com; roscoe.robinson@highpointchurch.com; todd.mears@highpointchurch.com; misty.westlund@highpointchurch.com
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    Subject: Your Church vs. Christ’s Love

    Body:
    To The Entire High Point Church Staff,

    I pray for your church. I pray that God will open your pastor’s mind and heart. I pray that God will show him why it is wrong to tell a mourning family of a dead soldier that you will no longer be holding his funeral their own church because you just realized he was gay. I pray for anyone else in your church involved in that despicable decision. I pray that God will show them the true meaning of Christ’s Love.

    To Pastor Simons,

    Do you think Jesus would have done that? If you don’t know the answer to that, I’ll give it to you. He certainly would not have done that. I hope you will go to your Bible and read the type of people Jesus spent time with and the type of places Jesus hung out.

    You compared that dead man to a thief and a murderer. The man’s family is mourning his death and you go and do something like that? Pastor Simons, have you no shame, sir?! If you had spat on his grave right in front of the dead soldier’s mother, it wouldn’t have been as atrocious as your making that comparison while his family mourns their loved one’s premature death.

    It is a LIE to say that all Christians believe homosexuality is a sin. I am a Christian, and I do not. Thousands of Christians and Bible scholars and theologians do not. There are only 5 places in the entire Bible that even address the issue, and all 5 are highly controversial and interpreted in many different ways. Much of the Bible is controversial and interpreted in many different ways. You know that, sir! That is why the Christian church has split in to hundreds of different faith practices. Why would you do something so heinous to that dead man and his family over a doctrinal issue? Unless this was your church’s first burial, I am pretty sure it has buried people who clearly disagreed with other doctrinal issues. How could it not? Has your church ever buried a non-Christian? Has your church ever buried a heterosexual who was clearly not married, but living with someone? I’m sure there would have been photos of that person hugging and kissing his or her adulterous mate. Something tells me you would have made an exception for that sort of “lifestyle sin.”

    Don’t you think he had godless gay friends who could have benefited by witnessing the love of Christ from you and your church staff? You could have won souls! The mother even said you could have an alter call!

    Pastor Simons, you and your church have been such a horrible example of Christ’s love that right now it shames me to call you my brother in Christ.

    Gabe Coppinger
    Dallas, TX
    gcoppinger -at - gmail -dot -com

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