The Quebec Police are holding a news conference this afternoon to address the accusations their officers attempted to incite violence at the Montebello Summit.
The news conference update is below.
By now many Canadians have seen the YouTube video and the CUPE pictures.
About 50 seconds in, after being asked to put down the rock, the undercover officer shoves David Coles. There certainly are other videos available to verify facts.
So today at a news conference, we have the police saying a protester gave their undercover cop the rock. (Initially it was not their cop)
No explanation of the bottle in the back pocket noticed by a commenter at Stageleft.
There may be a reasonable explanation, it may not be a beer or wine cooler bottle, and the three undercover police may have been stone cold sober. Later: Water bottle, pop bottle? Plastic? Glass? I don’t have the tools to enlarge the photo. It’s in his back pocket for…?
Good to know those who protect and serve were just going around picking up the trash while they infiltrate, eh? A protester gave the uncover police officer a rock. That shouldn’t be difficult to prove. The officer hung on to it because… And when asked to drop it he didn’t because…
Plausible deniability: a political doctrine originally developed in the United States of America in the 1950s and applied to operations by the then newly formed Central Intelligence Agency The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
Plausible deniability involves the creation of power structures and chains of command loose and informal enough to be denied if necessary. The idea was that the CIA (and, later, other bodies) could be given controversial instructions by powerful figures — up to and including the president himself — but that the existence and true source of those instructions could be denied if necessary; if, for example, an operation went disastrously wrong and it was necessary for the administration to disclaim responsibility.
The doctrine had two major flaws. First, it was an open door to the abuse of authority; it required that the bodies in question could be said to have acted independently, which in the end was tantamount to giving them license to act independently. Second, it rarely worked when invoked; the denials made were rarely plausible and were generally seen through by both the media and the populace.
Political pressure has been put on Quebec Public Security Minister Jacques Dupuis. According to CJAD:
A spokeswoman for Public Security Minister Jacques Dupuis says the minister won’t comment on the actions of the officers because he doesn’t get involved in police operations.
But the official, who asked not to be named, said today that Quebec provincial police have been asked to provide an explanation.
CEP President David Coles says they are considering pressing criminal charges.
(About 50 seconds into the video one of the undercover officers shoves David Coles)
Dr. Dawg has a list of questions the media is not asking.
I’m posting the Montebello Security statement below the fold; with public anger, curiousity and more information coming out it doesn’t hurt to have a dated copy.
It’s busy in Montreal at the moment, a block has been evacuated and part of the metro closed while they check cracks in the Bay department store, so information from the scheduled press conference may be slower in getting out..
Update: CP
Insp. Marcel Savard defended the three agents today at a news conference in Montreal and and insisted they were not there to provoke demonstrators.
He also says one of the officers was given a rock by protesters but the officer had no intention of using it.
Federal Safety Minister Stockwell Day is now blaming the protesters:
VANCOUVER (CP) - Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day is defending the use of undercover police at a protest during this week’s NAFTA leaders’ summit and pointing fingers at demonstration organizers.
Day says video he’s seen of the incident at the Montebello, Que., meeting shows the undercover officers were exposed because they were not committing violence.
Let’s see the video Mr. Day.
Update: The British Columbia man, Paul Manley, who shot the YouTube video (now at 190 thousand views) was at the Montebello Summit getting footage for a documentary. He was disturbed by what he saw in this incident. You can read his account here.
CBC
The Globe and Mail: Red faced Surete du Quebec promised they will review their practises.
Martin Courcy, an expert in conflict management who has advised several police forces in Quebec, including the SQ, says the mere fact an officer was holding a rock was an act of provocation.
“They could serve as models to others, and in that sense there’s provocation,” he said. Police infiltration is meant to defuse conflicts. “In this case, they didn’t defuse conflict, they provoked conflict.”
Unified Police Agencies Report Positively on Security at Montebello Summit
Papineauville, Tuesday, August 21, 2007 - The unified police agencies, which include the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), Sûreté du Québec (SQ) and the Ontario Provincial Police (OPP), report positively on the security measures implemented to ensure public order and security during the North American Leaders’ Summit.
Anti-Summit protesters gathered at the old train station in Montebello, around noon the first day of the Summit on Monday, August 20, before heading for the Château Montebello.
Security based on actions of demonstrators
RCMP, SQ and OPP troops were deployed to prevent any outburst and ensure that demonstrators expressed their views peacefully while respecting the law, people and property. The actions of the crowd dictated the actions of the police.
The unified police services worked closely together to provide the best possible security services during this meeting of the three North American Heads of State.
In addition to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Sûreté du Québec and the Ontario Provincial Police, the security surrounding the Summit required the collaboration of the Ottawa Police Service, Gatineau Municipal Police, the Canadian Coast Guard, the Canadian Armed Forces, as well as several federal and provincial partners.
A mandate fulfilled
These partners fulfilled their mandate which consisted mainly in ensuring the protection of the Heads of State, dignitaries, participants and the local community of Montebello.
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dumb, dumb and dumber…..
“One of extremists gave the rock to one of our police officers and he had a choice to make Saravrd said. He was asked by the extremists to throw the rock at the police but never had any intention of using it.”
How dumb do they think we are?
The Ottawa Citizen:
“Dozens more tear gas canisters exploded as the crowd began retreating east toward the village. In response, protesters in gas masks, goggles, and balaclavas hurled rocks, tomatoes, and stone-filled bottles at the police, who blocked Highway 148 and an adjacent cemetery.
Two large bonfires in the middle of the street burned as the protest’s last vestiges withdrew into Montebello.”
It’s completely reasonable to believe the undercover officer was thirsty and put the empy bottle in his back pocket if there were no trash cans available.
Or are we going to hear a protester gave him the bottle to fill with stones to throw at police?
Hi, Bene Diction,
Savard can’t even keep his story straight: first, a protester gave the cop a rock, then, almost in the same breath, the cop carried the rock to blend in.
I see a lot of plastic waterbottles on protests, but rarely if ever a glass one–and in a back pocket? Wow. The press haven’t picked up on this yet, but it seems that gifts were simply showered on these undercovers.
Keep up the good work, by the way.
A timeline of what has been officially said would be useful.
Thanks for the blow ups, I don’t have the equipment to clarify the pictures, but the suggestion it is a Corona bottle might as well be put out. I went looking - Corona has a white label and the same neck on the bottle.
If we’re wrong, we’re wrong, I have no problem with wrong being my default position.:^)
What about the SPP? Why aren’t we still talking about it? Has this controversy taken people closer or further from the real issue? I cant imagine they’d have been that intelligent to orchestrate but imagine if that was their original intention….
Wundrgoat:
Learning and talking about the SPP is important, I don’t think this has taken people ‘away’ from one issue to another, both are important.
People won’t be able to hold protests if police are permitted to keep escalating this kind of discrediting behavior.
I don’t think in this case the Quebec police were this intelligent, it’s about power, if groups (including paramilitary such as police) can take it they will.
In a democracy we have the responsibility not to give it to them. See what I wrote earlier about plausible deniability.
I hear what you are saying - I don’t think it is either/or, it’s both/and.