Ethics Daily reports on The Southern Baptist Convention President Frank Page and some of the chats he has had with GOP presidental candidates.
Frank Page, pastor of First Baptist Church in Taylors, S.C., recently told a group of ministers in Oklahoma the biggest surprise of his 16 months leading the nation’s largest Protestant body is the contact it brings with politicians.
Page said he has “met with almost all the presidential candidates” and has pledged that his “singular purpose” in those meetings would be to “tell them about Jesus.”
When I spent two solid hours in a private meeting with Rudy Giuliani, I shared Christ with him so much that at the end of that two hours I said, ‘Rudy, I’m not going to leave this place unless I give you an opportunity to pray with me to receive Jesus as your savior. Would you do that with me Rudy?’” Page recounted.
He said, ‘No, Frank, I’m not ready to do that. My daddy knows Jesus like that, but I’m not ready for that.’”
Page said he gave the former New York mayor his cell phone number and invited him to call “any time, day or night.” You just call me, and we’ll talk about Jesus, Rudy,”
Page recalled the conversation. “You’re a great leader, Rudy, and you may be the president of our country some day. But you’ll never be the leader you need to be unless you have Jesus as the heart of who you are.”
The ethical breech of trust here is mind boggling. While anyone in public office or running for public office is pretty much fair game, this smells. It is most certainly inappropriate behavior for a protestant minister and for the head of a denomination.
I would never trust a minister who is willing to toot his own horn about ‘witnessing’ to politicians and then blabbing to the media or his congregation about the conversation.
This happened recently in a less blatant way when a Calgary minister bragged about his friendship with Stephen Harper recently.
The Southern Baptist Convention staff needs some ethics lessons, starting with it’s president and filtering through to it’s front line ministers.
Lesson: don’t tell an SBC leader anything you don’t want splashed around in media, the state of your eternal soul matters less than scoring points.
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It does not matter whether the person is the Mayor of New York or the Mayor of Hewitt, Texas. The conversation between Rudy G and Frank Page was of a very personal and private nature. As a Christian minister, Frank Page shouldn’t have shared in a public setting the details of their private conversation. Surely he took a course in ethics at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary?
I really wonder if Rudy G’s conclusion is really the same as Frank Page’s - that Rudy isn’t a Christian??? After Frank Page’s ethical breach, I must question his account and Rudy’s understanding of the evangelical language that Page was using….
If Frank Page wants to be pastor to politicians like Billy Graham was perhaps he should take a lesson or two in ethics and confidentiality first?
This looks like Page is attempting to score some points for the divided leadership of the conservative Republican leaders as they hold a summit the next couple of days in Washington with GOP contenders.
The SBC Ethics and Liberty Commission President Richard Land has been raising his voice for Fred Thompson every chance he gets, but I haven’t read any public disclosures of private conservations.
This is a self-serving unethical move, and pastoral conversations should fall under priveledged communication. While it is probable or possible Frank Page didn’t intend to show a lack of integrity, he has.
Published 1 year, 1 month agoIn the United States, doing good has come to be, like patriotism, a favorite device of persons with something to sell. - H. L. Mencken
The most important persuasion tool you have in your entire arsenal is integrity. - Zig Ziglar
Don’t flatter yourself that friendship authorizes you to say disagreeable things to your intimates. The nearer you come into relation with a person, the more necessary do tact and courtesy become. - Oliver Wendell Holmes

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If Rudy were a member of Page’s church and was in for spiritual counseling, having the details of the conversation on the front page would be an ethical breech. If Rudy were to have made the conversation off-the-record, it would be a smaller breech.
However, this wasn’t a visit to Page as a minister, but as the leader of a big voting block that Guiliani wanted to court. I don’t think there was any pastor-parishioner privilege or an implicit assumption that everything said was off the record.
A bit tacky? Yes. The Baptist enthusiasm for evangelism can seem tacky to the outsider, and hitting up a visiting pol with a sales pitch for Jesus was a bit over the top.
Unethical? Only if one assumes that the conversation was understood to be private and off the record. If I hear where it was so, I’ll back you up on your statement.
Otherwise, talking to the head of a big denomination to sway votes would require the head honcho to tell of his talk with the politico. I don’t see the implied privacy; if I were talking to him while running for office, I’d expect some of our conversation to become public.
Hmmm.
I’m hearing you say it is assumed all candidates speak to heads of denominations and para-church organizations in the course of a run and there is no courtesy extended.
The conversations would be assumed public and on-record.
I’ve missed reading anything from the NCC or the NEA or the UUC, UMC, RC’s Lutherans, Episcopalians and Presbyterian leaders who may have gone to the media with their conversations with candidates. Or Jewish, Muslim, Mormon, Hindu Buddhist etc.:^)
Page didn’t elaborate on his chats with McCain or Huckabeee.
Not a peep about responses from other Republicans were leaked.
Nothing from any of his possible conversations with Democratic candidates.
You make a fair point, if there were other people in the room expectation of courtesy and privacy is off the floor.
Frank Page basically told 6 million SBC that Guiliani was not ‘one of us’.
That comes across as most decidedly self-serving especially since the conversation was in June and key SBC key leaders are in Washington mingling with GOP candidates in the FRC shindig.
Bon timing, oui?
By your reasoning Huckabee wouldn’t care if Page got as much mileage out of a chat with him as possible.
Haven’t seen that happening.
It’s interesting you frame this as enthusiastic evangelism.
That still makes it self-serving.
Page is saying to his denomination through religious media, look at me, I evangelize presidential candidates.
Hypothetical: Page meets with 10 politicans separately. 4 pray the SBC sinners prayer with him. Does Page tell the media politicans/candidates 1 to 4 are now born again and ‘one of us’? That would be unscriptural.
I wouldn’t use tacky. Unethical works just fine.
Thank you for speaking out on this. I am not a supporter of the Godd mayor. But this is shocking. I shall do a update with your thoughts