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	<title>Comments on: Mark Mathis: The Premises of Feeding the Beast and Expelled</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. PZ Meyers and the Expelled film PR - it happened again at Bene Diction Blogs On</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. PZ Meyers and the Expelled film PR - it happened again at Bene Diction Blogs On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posts and background: Mark Mathis The Premise of Feeding the Beast and Expelled Richard Dawkins on Expelled Evolutionary Biologist [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nerdiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>nerdiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee. I&#039;m an atheist and I must admit I&#039;ve been enjoying &#039;you lot&#039; shooting yourselves in the foot, but this post almost makes me feel sorry for it.

.... almost &gt;:)

Actually, in all seriousness, I&#039;m happy to see a Christian say this sort of thing. I&#039;ve been stuffing around reading about this for much of the afternoon, and you&#039;re the first one I&#039;ve come across who is not cool with the spin. So, yeah. Good luck with that, or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee. I&#8217;m an atheist and I must admit I&#8217;ve been enjoying &#8216;you lot&#8217; shooting yourselves in the foot, but this post almost makes me feel sorry for it.</p>
<p>&#8230;. almost &gt;:)</p>
<p>Actually, in all seriousness, I&#8217;m happy to see a Christian say this sort of thing. I&#8217;ve been stuffing around reading about this for much of the afternoon, and you&#8217;re the first one I&#8217;ve come across who is not cool with the spin. So, yeah. Good luck with that, or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the bald faced lying I want Christians to pay attention to and to vote with their wallets.

The pr for the film is being handled by a company - however assistant producer Mathis says he did not deceive the scientists interviewed for the film. They&#039;ve all refuted that. He says he invited them to participate in good faith and they did accept in good faith.

So why aren&#039;t they invited to pre-screenings as honoured guests in good faith? Two of the scientists have seen the lengths the company has gone to to exclude them. The scientists are the enemy, but Mathis won&#039;t say that in public.  So his claim to have them participate in honest discussion is a lie.

He made up stories and when this exploded in the blogosphere and can&#039;t have it both ways. 
He either invited their participation in good faith or he didn&#039;t. His recent statements show he most certainly did not. 
If he had acknowledged he saw none creation scientists as the enemy at least that would have been honest instead of drawing  sincere others in and spinning while he digs himself in deeper.

The excited student amended his suppositions in his account but did not apologize to Dr. Myers and his family and people that read his rushed to publish account. Why not? He is a creationist, possibly a Christian, what is wrong with an honest apology?

Being political, divisive and lying distracts from debate about content.  That matters given a law being debated in Florida now.

Mathis got caught lying again saying he wanted Dr. Meyers to feel what it&#039;s like to be expelled, (common ID persecution complex) and rather than acknowledge his extreme dislike of vocal critics he lied some more.

Christian scientists have spoken out in blog comments, expressing their disappointment in the behavior of Mathis, the PR company and Premise Media and their comfortableness in believing in evolutionary theory in junction with their faith. Good for them.

The PR on Business Week is easily checked by what&#039;s in the blogosphere and seeping into media. The lies are open and blatant and are factually dissected by good bloggers in various communities. 

It will be interesting to see how stories continue to change and how Expelled in spun up to and after release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the bald faced lying I want Christians to pay attention to and to vote with their wallets.</p>
<p>The pr for the film is being handled by a company &#8211; however assistant producer Mathis says he did not deceive the scientists interviewed for the film. They&#8217;ve all refuted that. He says he invited them to participate in good faith and they did accept in good faith.</p>
<p>So why aren&#8217;t they invited to pre-screenings as honoured guests in good faith? Two of the scientists have seen the lengths the company has gone to to exclude them. The scientists are the enemy, but Mathis won&#8217;t say that in public.  So his claim to have them participate in honest discussion is a lie.</p>
<p>He made up stories and when this exploded in the blogosphere and can&#8217;t have it both ways.<br />
He either invited their participation in good faith or he didn&#8217;t. His recent statements show he most certainly did not.<br />
If he had acknowledged he saw none creation scientists as the enemy at least that would have been honest instead of drawing  sincere others in and spinning while he digs himself in deeper.</p>
<p>The excited student amended his suppositions in his account but did not apologize to Dr. Myers and his family and people that read his rushed to publish account. Why not? He is a creationist, possibly a Christian, what is wrong with an honest apology?</p>
<p>Being political, divisive and lying distracts from debate about content.  That matters given a law being debated in Florida now.</p>
<p>Mathis got caught lying again saying he wanted Dr. Meyers to feel what it&#8217;s like to be expelled, (common ID persecution complex) and rather than acknowledge his extreme dislike of vocal critics he lied some more.</p>
<p>Christian scientists have spoken out in blog comments, expressing their disappointment in the behavior of Mathis, the PR company and Premise Media and their comfortableness in believing in evolutionary theory in junction with their faith. Good for them.</p>
<p>The PR on Business Week is easily checked by what&#8217;s in the blogosphere and seeping into media. The lies are open and blatant and are factually dissected by good bloggers in various communities. </p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how stories continue to change and how Expelled in spun up to and after release.</p>
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		<title>By: On Propagandists &#171; City of God</title>
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		<dc:creator>On Propagandists &#171; City of God</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    Bene Diction has a longish post on the mess over Ben Stein&#8217;s new movie, Expelled and the controversial screening which saw biologist P.Z. Myers tossed out (though Richard Dawkins [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sherm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sigh.

Kind of makes one fondly remember that game - you know - the one that was supposed to save the world?  What was it&#039;s name again?

Oh ya - Left Behind.

Well, it seems like it was left behind on the store shelves, I saw it recently at a major retailer at a bargain price of 9.99.   Had to blow the dust off it to read the system requirements.

Not that I would buy it.  I don&#039;t pay for my Christianity, nor do I buy Jesus junk.

When are Christians going to wake up and realize they are being duped by money-hungry sheep in wolves clothing, that Christianity isn&#039;t about fighting, politics, or money?

I know I would never make it in that kind of Christian, mega-church, prosperity gospel, one-issue type of believing.

Oh well - blessed are the cracked, for it is they who let in the light...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sigh.</p>
<p>Kind of makes one fondly remember that game &#8211; you know &#8211; the one that was supposed to save the world?  What was it&#8217;s name again?</p>
<p>Oh ya &#8211; Left Behind.</p>
<p>Well, it seems like it was left behind on the store shelves, I saw it recently at a major retailer at a bargain price of 9.99.   Had to blow the dust off it to read the system requirements.</p>
<p>Not that I would buy it.  I don&#8217;t pay for my Christianity, nor do I buy Jesus junk.</p>
<p>When are Christians going to wake up and realize they are being duped by money-hungry sheep in wolves clothing, that Christianity isn&#8217;t about fighting, politics, or money?</p>
<p>I know I would never make it in that kind of Christian, mega-church, prosperity gospel, one-issue type of believing.</p>
<p>Oh well &#8211; blessed are the cracked, for it is they who let in the light&#8230;</p>
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