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	<title>Comments on: Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed not a hit with Canadian reviewers</title>
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		<title>By: Unsolicited email at Bene Diction Blogs On</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/06/27/expelled-no-intelligence-allowed-not-a-hit-with-canadian-reviewers/comment-page-1/#comment-108970</link>
		<dc:creator>Unsolicited email at Bene Diction Blogs On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: toujoursdan</title>
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		<dc:creator>toujoursdan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually have CBC Newsworld on while I work from home. The promo for this film is playing at nearly ever commercial break. If the film continues to bomb it isn&#039;t because of lack of trying - or making the promo look like a Ben Stein comedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually have CBC Newsworld on while I work from home. The promo for this film is playing at nearly ever commercial break. If the film continues to bomb it isn&#8217;t because of lack of trying &#8211; or making the promo look like a Ben Stein comedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not seeing hostile reacts to religion here Mark although there may be a few...I counted 35 reviews.  
Even sites like Canadian Christianity didn&#039;t give it a pass.

Peter Chattaway&#039;s blog is interesting.
http://filmchatblog.blogspot.com/search?q=Expelled

Taxpayers were  on the hook for a million dollars in the DI legal fees for Dover and now educators in Louisiana will have to deal with creationism under the pretentious label of &#039;religious freedom.&#039; There are hard working good people in the state education system that are going to be over another barrel.

I don&#039;t care if someone chooses to be a six day creationist, I&#039;d care if they tried to teach their belief in science class to the nephews and neices.

The Discovery Institute is set up to exploit a policial wedge issue,  going full tilt with the either/or religious spin. It&#039;s creationism repackaged.

Haven&#039;t found the Cdn box office receipts yet for Expelled, I think if Premise Media going to make money in Canada, UK, Australia etc it will do so in DVD sales for the target audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not seeing hostile reacts to religion here Mark although there may be a few&#8230;I counted 35 reviews.<br />
Even sites like Canadian Christianity didn&#8217;t give it a pass.</p>
<p>Peter Chattaway&#8217;s blog is interesting.<br />
<a href="http://filmchatblog.blogspot.com/search?q=Expelled" rel="nofollow">http://filmchatblog.blogspot.com/search?q=Expelled</a></p>
<p>Taxpayers were  on the hook for a million dollars in the DI legal fees for Dover and now educators in Louisiana will have to deal with creationism under the pretentious label of &#8216;religious freedom.&#8217; There are hard working good people in the state education system that are going to be over another barrel.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if someone chooses to be a six day creationist, I&#8217;d care if they tried to teach their belief in science class to the nephews and neices.</p>
<p>The Discovery Institute is set up to exploit a policial wedge issue,  going full tilt with the either/or religious spin. It&#8217;s creationism repackaged.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t found the Cdn box office receipts yet for Expelled, I think if Premise Media going to make money in Canada, UK, Australia etc it will do so in DVD sales for the target audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Byron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Byron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, the ID take tries to put a scientific spin on the creation issue, focusing on the complexity of life such that it&#039;s too complex to have happened via random mutations; the odds round to zero. That takes away having to go with a particular idea about God, but that some designer had to behind the process. 

That&#039;s not passed muster in the US courts to this point; the Dover, PA case is the main one in the system, which had ID tossed out as warmed-over creationism. The Supreme Court hasn&#039;t ruled on ID as of yet, however; Anthony Kennedy might think that ID is religiously-neutral enough to be OK.

If a reviewer is hostile towards religion, they&#039;ll not like Expelled. The reviewer in our paper gave it both barrels, but he seemed to be predisposed to dislike a conservative take on the issue.

The people I know who saw it liked it, but they&#039;re hard-core pro-creationists who are one of the target audiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, the ID take tries to put a scientific spin on the creation issue, focusing on the complexity of life such that it&#8217;s too complex to have happened via random mutations; the odds round to zero. That takes away having to go with a particular idea about God, but that some designer had to behind the process. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not passed muster in the US courts to this point; the Dover, PA case is the main one in the system, which had ID tossed out as warmed-over creationism. The Supreme Court hasn&#8217;t ruled on ID as of yet, however; Anthony Kennedy might think that ID is religiously-neutral enough to be OK.</p>
<p>If a reviewer is hostile towards religion, they&#8217;ll not like Expelled. The reviewer in our paper gave it both barrels, but he seemed to be predisposed to dislike a conservative take on the issue.</p>
<p>The people I know who saw it liked it, but they&#8217;re hard-core pro-creationists who are one of the target audiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I counted 34 Cdn theatres running Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.

I didn&#039;t count Canadian reviews...

Windsor Star, Toronto Star, Vancouver Sun, NatPo, Globe and Mail, Macleans, The Hour CBC,  Montreal Mirror, Halifax Coast, Ottawa Citizen, Straight.com, Montreal Gazette, Edmonton Sun.

That&#039;s off the top of my head, pretty much covers the areas it opened. The producers and marketers can&#039;t complain about coverage.


Top Docs box office receipts:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm

I don&#039;t think international audiences are going to get too worked up over this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I counted 34 Cdn theatres running Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t count Canadian reviews&#8230;</p>
<p>Windsor Star, Toronto Star, Vancouver Sun, NatPo, Globe and Mail, Macleans, The Hour CBC,  Montreal Mirror, Halifax Coast, Ottawa Citizen, Straight.com, Montreal Gazette, Edmonton Sun.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s off the top of my head, pretty much covers the areas it opened. The producers and marketers can&#8217;t complain about coverage.</p>
<p>Top Docs box office receipts:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think international audiences are going to get too worked up over this one.</p>
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		<title>By: David Toronto</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seventeen hours and only two comments--save this one.

Shows how little interest there is in this film or how much
a failure the whole endeavour is with a Canadian audience.

In over two months&#039; of playing in the US, it has grossed
less than $8 million.  Wonder if anyone&#039;s taken a bath on
this thing and where that would be.  Certainly not Missouri
where teaching evolution is illegal.  

And where did the 100 Huntley Street Mainse sons study?
In Missouri, natch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seventeen hours and only two comments&#8211;save this one.</p>
<p>Shows how little interest there is in this film or how much<br />
a failure the whole endeavour is with a Canadian audience.</p>
<p>In over two months&#8217; of playing in the US, it has grossed<br />
less than $8 million.  Wonder if anyone&#8217;s taken a bath on<br />
this thing and where that would be.  Certainly not Missouri<br />
where teaching evolution is illegal.  </p>
<p>And where did the 100 Huntley Street Mainse sons study?<br />
In Missouri, natch.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve softballed it. 
John Stackhouse is incredibly ethical and a strong voice for evangelicals in Canada and since he writes for US publications I can appreciate he feels an obligation to former students. 

Apart from that, this isn&#039;t a strong interest of mine. I&#039;ve certainly followed some of the screw ups the PR company for this film got themselves into, but truth is, there are far better Cdn bloggers able to tackle this topic.

I honestly don&#039;t know what inroads The Discovery Institute have made in Canada, what corresponding Canadian groups may be lobbying to get creationism into our schools, again, it&#039;s not my area of expertise.
Other than Charles McVety and Maurice Vellacott sending out invites to MP&#039;s the Senate and staffers, I&#039;ve not heard any other lobbying attempts.

I question the claim in Walt Ruloff made in the Chattaway interview that 50 people showed up for the ROM protest: http://www.straight.com/article-151149/is-it-science-friction?#

Maybe they did get 50, but Ruloff is selling his product, why let facts get in the way?

A Halifax writer played the anti-American card in the Stein promotional tour, it&#039;s Stein&#039;s job to sell the product. http://www.thecoast.ca/Articles-i-2008-06-26-152339.113118_Ben_Steins_artificial_intelligence.html

It&#039;s a long weekend here, I think other things will capture the Canadian public interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve softballed it.<br />
John Stackhouse is incredibly ethical and a strong voice for evangelicals in Canada and since he writes for US publications I can appreciate he feels an obligation to former students. </p>
<p>Apart from that, this isn&#8217;t a strong interest of mine. I&#8217;ve certainly followed some of the screw ups the PR company for this film got themselves into, but truth is, there are far better Cdn bloggers able to tackle this topic.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know what inroads The Discovery Institute have made in Canada, what corresponding Canadian groups may be lobbying to get creationism into our schools, again, it&#8217;s not my area of expertise.<br />
Other than Charles McVety and Maurice Vellacott sending out invites to MP&#8217;s the Senate and staffers, I&#8217;ve not heard any other lobbying attempts.</p>
<p>I question the claim in Walt Ruloff made in the Chattaway interview that 50 people showed up for the ROM protest: <a href="http://www.straight.com/article-151149/is-it-science-friction?#" rel="nofollow">http://www.straight.com/article-151149/is-it-science-friction?#</a></p>
<p>Maybe they did get 50, but Ruloff is selling his product, why let facts get in the way?</p>
<p>A Halifax writer played the anti-American card in the Stein promotional tour, it&#8217;s Stein&#8217;s job to sell the product. <a href="http://www.thecoast.ca/Articles-i-2008-06-26-152339.113118_Ben_Steins_artificial_intelligence.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecoast.ca/Articles-i-2008-06-26-152339.113118_Ben_Steins_artificial_intelligence.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long weekend here, I think other things will capture the Canadian public interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne from Jeremiah Films</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne from Jeremiah Films</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the US the ?debate? is very much alive.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/Education/Gonzalez.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Free Gonzalez: Guillermo Gonzalez never anticipated becoming a test case - has been featured in &quot;Expelled no Intelligence Allowed&quot;&lt;/a&gt;

Debate may be to soft a word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the US the ?debate? is very much alive.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/Education/Gonzalez.html" rel="nofollow">Free Gonzalez: Guillermo Gonzalez never anticipated becoming a test case &#8211; has been featured in &#8220;Expelled no Intelligence Allowed&#8221;</a></p>
<p>Debate may be to soft a word.</p>
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