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	<title>Comments on: Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed not a hit with Canadian reviewers</title>
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		<title>By: Unsolicited email at Bene Diction Blogs On</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/06/27/expelled-no-intelligence-allowed-not-a-hit-with-canadian-reviewers/#comment-108970</link>
		<dc:creator>Unsolicited email at Bene Diction Blogs On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: toujoursdan</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/06/27/expelled-no-intelligence-allowed-not-a-hit-with-canadian-reviewers/#comment-108954</link>
		<dc:creator>toujoursdan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually have CBC Newsworld on while I work from home. The promo for this film is playing at nearly ever commercial break. If the film continues to bomb it isn't because of lack of trying - or making the promo look like a Ben Stein comedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually have CBC Newsworld on while I work from home. The promo for this film is playing at nearly ever commercial break. If the film continues to bomb it isn&#8217;t because of lack of trying - or making the promo look like a Ben Stein comedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/06/27/expelled-no-intelligence-allowed-not-a-hit-with-canadian-reviewers/#comment-108949</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not seeing hostile reacts to religion here Mark although there may be a few...I counted 35 reviews.  
Even sites like Canadian Christianity didn't give it a pass.

Peter Chattaway's blog is interesting.
http://filmchatblog.blogspot.com/search?q=Expelled

Taxpayers were  on the hook for a million dollars in the DI legal fees for Dover and now educators in Louisiana will have to deal with creationism under the pretentious label of 'religious freedom.' There are hard working good people in the state education system that are going to be over another barrel.

I don't care if someone chooses to be a six day creationist, I'd care if they tried to teach their belief in science class to the nephews and neices.

The Discovery Institute is set up to exploit a policial wedge issue,  going full tilt with the either/or religious spin. It's creationism repackaged.

Haven't found the Cdn box office receipts yet for Expelled, I think if Premise Media going to make money in Canada, UK, Australia etc it will do so in DVD sales for the target audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not seeing hostile reacts to religion here Mark although there may be a few&#8230;I counted 35 reviews.<br />
Even sites like Canadian Christianity didn&#8217;t give it a pass.</p>
<p>Peter Chattaway&#8217;s blog is interesting.<br />
<a href="http://filmchatblog.blogspot.com/search?q=Expelled" rel="nofollow">http://filmchatblog.blogspot.com/search?q=Expelled</a></p>
<p>Taxpayers were  on the hook for a million dollars in the DI legal fees for Dover and now educators in Louisiana will have to deal with creationism under the pretentious label of &#8216;religious freedom.&#8217; There are hard working good people in the state education system that are going to be over another barrel.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if someone chooses to be a six day creationist, I&#8217;d care if they tried to teach their belief in science class to the nephews and neices.</p>
<p>The Discovery Institute is set up to exploit a policial wedge issue,  going full tilt with the either/or religious spin. It&#8217;s creationism repackaged.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t found the Cdn box office receipts yet for Expelled, I think if Premise Media going to make money in Canada, UK, Australia etc it will do so in DVD sales for the target audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Byron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Byron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, the ID take tries to put a scientific spin on the creation issue, focusing on the complexity of life such that it's too complex to have happened via random mutations; the odds round to zero. That takes away having to go with a particular idea about God, but that some designer had to behind the process. 

That's not passed muster in the US courts to this point; the Dover, PA case is the main one in the system, which had ID tossed out as warmed-over creationism. The Supreme Court hasn't ruled on ID as of yet, however; Anthony Kennedy might think that ID is religiously-neutral enough to be OK.

If a reviewer is hostile towards religion, they'll not like Expelled. The reviewer in our paper gave it both barrels, but he seemed to be predisposed to dislike a conservative take on the issue.

The people I know who saw it liked it, but they're hard-core pro-creationists who are one of the target audiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, the ID take tries to put a scientific spin on the creation issue, focusing on the complexity of life such that it&#8217;s too complex to have happened via random mutations; the odds round to zero. That takes away having to go with a particular idea about God, but that some designer had to behind the process. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not passed muster in the US courts to this point; the Dover, PA case is the main one in the system, which had ID tossed out as warmed-over creationism. The Supreme Court hasn&#8217;t ruled on ID as of yet, however; Anthony Kennedy might think that ID is religiously-neutral enough to be OK.</p>
<p>If a reviewer is hostile towards religion, they&#8217;ll not like Expelled. The reviewer in our paper gave it both barrels, but he seemed to be predisposed to dislike a conservative take on the issue.</p>
<p>The people I know who saw it liked it, but they&#8217;re hard-core pro-creationists who are one of the target audiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene D</title>
		<link>http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/06/27/expelled-no-intelligence-allowed-not-a-hit-with-canadian-reviewers/#comment-108944</link>
		<dc:creator>Bene D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I counted 34 Cdn theatres running Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.

I didn't count Canadian reviews...

Windsor Star, Toronto Star, Vancouver Sun, NatPo, Globe and Mail, Macleans, The Hour CBC,  Montreal Mirror, Halifax Coast, Ottawa Citizen, Straight.com, Montreal Gazette, Edmonton Sun.

That's off the top of my head, pretty much covers the areas it opened. The producers and marketers can't complain about coverage.


Top Docs box office receipts:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm

I don't think international audiences are going to get too worked up over this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I counted 34 Cdn theatres running Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t count Canadian reviews&#8230;</p>
<p>Windsor Star, Toronto Star, Vancouver Sun, NatPo, Globe and Mail, Macleans, The Hour CBC,  Montreal Mirror, Halifax Coast, Ottawa Citizen, Straight.com, Montreal Gazette, Edmonton Sun.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s off the top of my head, pretty much covers the areas it opened. The producers and marketers can&#8217;t complain about coverage.</p>
<p>Top Docs box office receipts:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think international audiences are going to get too worked up over this one.</p>
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		<title>By: David Toronto</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Toronto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seventeen hours and only two comments--save this one.

Shows how little interest there is in this film or how much
a failure the whole endeavour is with a Canadian audience.

In over two months' of playing in the US, it has grossed
less than $8 million.  Wonder if anyone's taken a bath on
this thing and where that would be.  Certainly not Missouri
where teaching evolution is illegal.  

And where did the 100 Huntley Street Mainse sons study?
In Missouri, natch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seventeen hours and only two comments&#8211;save this one.</p>
<p>Shows how little interest there is in this film or how much<br />
a failure the whole endeavour is with a Canadian audience.</p>
<p>In over two months&#8217; of playing in the US, it has grossed<br />
less than $8 million.  Wonder if anyone&#8217;s taken a bath on<br />
this thing and where that would be.  Certainly not Missouri<br />
where teaching evolution is illegal.  </p>
<p>And where did the 100 Huntley Street Mainse sons study?<br />
In Missouri, natch.</p>
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		<title>By: Bene Diction</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bene Diction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've softballed it. 
John Stackhouse is incredibly ethical and a strong voice for evangelicals in Canada and since he writes for US publications I can appreciate he feels an obligation to former students. 

Apart from that, this isn't a strong interest of mine. I've certainly followed some of the screw ups the PR company for this film got themselves into, but truth is, there are far better Cdn bloggers able to tackle this topic.

I honestly don't know what inroads The Discovery Institute have made in Canada, what corresponding Canadian groups may be lobbying to get creationism into our schools, again, it's not my area of expertise.
Other than Charles McVety and Maurice Vellacott sending out invites to MP's the Senate and staffers, I've not heard any other lobbying attempts.

I question the claim in Walt Ruloff made in the Chattaway interview that 50 people showed up for the ROM protest: http://www.straight.com/article-151149/is-it-science-friction?#

Maybe they did get 50, but Ruloff is selling his product, why let facts get in the way?

A Halifax writer played the anti-American card in the Stein promotional tour, it's Stein's job to sell the product. http://www.thecoast.ca/Articles-i-2008-06-26-152339.113118_Ben_Steins_artificial_intelligence.html

It's a long weekend here, I think other things will capture the Canadian public interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve softballed it.<br />
John Stackhouse is incredibly ethical and a strong voice for evangelicals in Canada and since he writes for US publications I can appreciate he feels an obligation to former students. </p>
<p>Apart from that, this isn&#8217;t a strong interest of mine. I&#8217;ve certainly followed some of the screw ups the PR company for this film got themselves into, but truth is, there are far better Cdn bloggers able to tackle this topic.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know what inroads The Discovery Institute have made in Canada, what corresponding Canadian groups may be lobbying to get creationism into our schools, again, it&#8217;s not my area of expertise.<br />
Other than Charles McVety and Maurice Vellacott sending out invites to MP&#8217;s the Senate and staffers, I&#8217;ve not heard any other lobbying attempts.</p>
<p>I question the claim in Walt Ruloff made in the Chattaway interview that 50 people showed up for the ROM protest: <a href="http://www.straight.com/article-151149/is-it-science-friction?#" rel="nofollow">http://www.straight.com/article-151149/is-it-science-friction?#</a></p>
<p>Maybe they did get 50, but Ruloff is selling his product, why let facts get in the way?</p>
<p>A Halifax writer played the anti-American card in the Stein promotional tour, it&#8217;s Stein&#8217;s job to sell the product. <a href="http://www.thecoast.ca/Articles-i-2008-06-26-152339.113118_Ben_Steins_artificial_intelligence.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecoast.ca/Articles-i-2008-06-26-152339.113118_Ben_Steins_artificial_intelligence.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long weekend here, I think other things will capture the Canadian public interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne from Jeremiah Films</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne from Jeremiah Films</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the US the ?debate? is very much alive.

&lt;a href="http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/Education/Gonzalez.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Free Gonzalez: Guillermo Gonzalez never anticipated becoming a test case - has been featured in "Expelled no Intelligence Allowed"&lt;/a&gt;

Debate may be to soft a word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the US the ?debate? is very much alive.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jeremiahfilms.com/released/Education/Gonzalez.html" rel="nofollow">Free Gonzalez: Guillermo Gonzalez never anticipated becoming a test case - has been featured in &#8220;Expelled no Intelligence Allowed&#8221;</a></p>
<p>Debate may be to soft a word.</p>
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