Recently several bloggers including me have been asking if California State Christian University is a diploma mill. They’ve also looked at a cluster of people with honourary degrees, looked at a ‘pastoral counsellor’ organization. The questions are legitimate.
We’ve been asking because several Canadians hold honourary doctorates from California, most notably Charles McVety, President of Canada Christian College, and some of his faculty. But Canada Christian College isn’t the only place the honourary degrees has popped up.
Queries to the California phone number by Bill Kinnon and Dan at Culture Chochave been unfruitful. Queries to Canada Christian College honourary degree holders (by email) have not been answered.
Once bloggers started asking questions, the website to California State Christian University underwent a upgrade (the Canadian URL remains inactive and unchanged)
JKim987 joined WikiAnswers in March 2008 and put this up:
Is California State Christian University a diploma mill?
It is not a diploma mill. California State Christian University is the American extension of Tae Han Theological Seminary and College, Seoul Korea, founded by Dr. Chi Sun Kim.
California State Christian University (CSCU) is a private postsecondary vocational school with religious exemption. We were approved by the Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education on June 30, 2007; when the Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education Reform Act became inoperative, we and many other California vocational schools entered into a voluntary agreement with the Director of the California Department of Consumer Affairs.
Fair enough. I went through about 300 pages of the Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education Reform Act available at The California Department of Consumer Affairs. (Did I mention it was raining?:^)
All that led me to really was the 2008 49 page voluntary agreement list of private schools in the State of California, page 11. .pdf California Department of Consumer Affairs The paper work was done.
Yes 3302941 California State Christian University 3600 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 1140 Los Angeles 90010
This is an updated list of schools in the state, now under the jurisdiction of The Department of Consumer Affairs.
The below-named private postsecondary educational institution shall agree to comply with all of the following: state statutes, rules, and regulations pertaining to private postsecondary institutions or pertaining to non-WASC regionally accredited institutions as defined in Section 94740.5 of the Education Code, as it existed on June 30, 2007, in effect as of the close of business on June 30, 2007, for the purpose of ensuring continued student protection after Chapter 7 (commencing with Section 94700) of Part 59 of Division 10 of Title 3 of the Education Code became inoperative. This agreement shall apply retroactively to July 1, 2007.
From the 2005-2006 fiscal year report of The California Department of Consumer Affairs: Religious Exempt clause
Religious Exempt Institutions
The Reform Act exempts any nonprofit institution owned, controlled, operated, and maintained by a bona fide church, religious denomination, or religious organization. The education offered by the institution is limited to instruction in the principles of that church, religious denomination, or religious organization, and the diploma or degree conferred by the institution is limited to evidence of completion of that education.Institutions that are exempt can offer degrees and diplomas only in the beliefs and practices of the church. They cannot award degrees in any area of physical science or in any secular areas of study. Religious institutions that wish to be exempt from the Reform Act must provide, each year, evidence demonstrating that they qualify for exemption.
In fiscal year 2005-06, there were 40 religious schools that had qualified for exemption. The Bureau received 264 applications and approved 203 exemption requests.
So what does this approval actually mean? Private institutions may not advertise they have been approved by Consumer Affairs as transitioning to new laws takes effect. Is California State Christian University a diploma mill?
Q. What is the difference between approval and accreditation?
A. Approval is what the Bureau did as authorized by the Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education Reform Act, it was required by California state law for private postsecondary institutions who were not otherwise exempt. Accreditation is voluntary and is done by accrediting commissions or bureaus, not the Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education.
One of the requirements for eligibility to offer student financial assistance authorized by Title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 is to be accredited by an accreditation agency recognized by the United States Department of Education.
The Wilshire Blvd location matches the business listing for the Los Angeles area. In other words the officeis the office. The Northridge house location (campus) has, as Culture Choc noticed, a tax lien.
The WikiAnswer page re-iterates what is up on the US University website.
California State Christian University (CSCU) is a private postsecondary vocational school with religious exemption, approved by the Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education. California created the Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Schools with a predetermined June 30, 2007 sunset. This is to keep California government streamlined with updated bureaus and committees. A new governing body is forthcoming. CSCU is currently operating under a voluntary agreement with the Director for the California Department of Consumer Affairs.
The Facebook page has a member- James Kim, the gentleman who wrote the WikiAnswer page. Yes, one member.
Guess the alumni don’t do Facebook.
Interestingly I can’t find a thing on Tae Han Theological Seminary and College which is stated to be the founding school in South Korea. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, it just means I haven’t found it.
It isn’t difficult to find California State Christian University’s sister colleges.
A. The Evangelical Order of Certified Pastoral Counsellors of America – a Canadian group, and according to The Galloping Beaver, a lobby group, that is not registered as a lobby group. They are headquartered in Alberta and this self-regulatory board started by the current dean of another Canadian school Dr. Steven Hambly of Victory Bible College International. Former Victory dean, Brian Rushfeldt, now runs The Canada Family Action Coalition.
B. Victory Bible College International is also in Alberta. It is unaccredited, and licenced to operate by the province of Alberta through a private members bill. If you browse a bit at Victory you’ll find ties to another sister school,
C. Rhema Studies of Theology Association, another Canadian offering. It is also registered Canadian Charity, and it’s dean serves on the faculty of Canada Christian College.
D. Next up is Kingdom Covenant Leadership Institute, also in Canada.
We are also associated with Victory Bible Colleges International, California Christian University, Tae Han Graduate Theological Seminary/College of Korea and the Wagner Leadership Institute.
Kingdom Covenant Leadership Institute is recognized (not accredited) by The Evangelical Order of Certified Pastoral Counsellors, and is a member of Association of Christian Schools International. ACSI only accredits primary and secondary institutions.
Dr. Pat Francis of Deeper Life Family Church in Mississauga. Dr. Pat Francisis a radiologist, with her own church, Institute, businesses, charitable registration and honourary doctorate. The Francis Masters degree comes from an unaccredited school headquartered in Georgia.
The Revenue Canada 2006 return for the charity branch (Pat Francis Ministries Inc.) shows more liability than asset. One of the Kingdom Covenant Leadership Institute affiliates is The Wagner Leadership Institute, with Canadian headquarters in Red Deer Alberta.
Not to be outdone is Korea Internet Theological College and Seminary.
I can’t find it. It has to be on the internet somewhere, wouldn’t you think?
Is California State Christian University a diploma mill?
California State Christian University is the United States extension of Tae Han Theological Seminary and College founded in Seoul, Korea by Dr. Chi-Sun Kim.
Dr. Chi-Sun Kim was Presbyterian. When he returned to Korea after studying in Texas he helped start DaeHan Seminary. Some of Chi-Sun Kim’s story is picked upon this reform-online data base. This Duke University data base of Korean educational institutions has no mention of Tae Han Theological Seminary and College. This list from New Zealand also doesn’t have it.
I did find a reference to Dr. Chi-Sun Kim off an obscure document from the Christian Conference of Asia (don’t quote me, because I can’t find it in my history now) He spoke at a seminar, but the document wasn’t dated, there was no reference to Tae Han Theological Seminary and College. There is a reference to a Samuel Say Chang Kim (Chi-Sun Kim’s son) in Wheaton College archives of the 1983 conference for itinerant evangelists in Amsterdam.
T198 – Cassette. ICIE ‘83. Message Preparation and Delivery (Asia), Samuel Say Chang Kim. Korean language. July 14, 1983.
Interestingly Lloyd MacKay mentions a hockey game played at Wheaton College a few decades ago in which the McVety clan participated. The hockey game would have had to have taken place priorto Hudson Taylor Armerding leaving Wheaton in 1982 if John Wesley White’s memory serves him correctly. That having been noted as an aside, it isn’t at all a historical stretch to see what might be some name dropping or name using occur to keep a private religious world relatively closed to outside eyes.
Would Canada Christian College, Victory, Rhema etc., even want professors from reputable institutions? It’s unlikely. The organizations jumping off from the ’sister’ sites operate opening with no oversight. How many people have taken or been given honourary degrees from California?
The only reason I’ve been able to see for California State Christian University to exist is to give Canadians honourary degrees so they can teach at affiliates and stay in the shadows.
I stand to be soundly corrected, as does anyone chasing this, to date no one has stepped forward.
I’ll toss this out. California State Christian University started in 1972. It wasn’t until the 1980’s the FBI took an interest in diploma mills in Operation DipScam.That federal involvement ended in the early 1990’s. The US states are responsible for their schools and with the rise of the internet diploma mills exploded.
What if a small diploma mill in California was never on any regulatory radar screen? What if at the time it was founded (1972) there were few or no regulations?
The people I see benefiting here are Canadians, a sub-group well under the radar of Canadian regulatory bodies, and most definitely not on a California radar screen. If someone had traced this prior to the internet, would they have been given any attention by media? It’s doubtful.
If they had concerns and took them to a regulatory agency, would there have been cause to investigate? Would competing jurisdictions have worked with each other? According to When lobbyists speak in tongues, the current President of Canada Christian College is 48. We know older men have honourary degrees from California, how many of a younger generation do?
California is swamped changing it’s governing process, the key task of The Department of Consumer Affairs was seeing students who have been ripped off in a state with the population of Canada get their money back, and get transferred into educational institutions where credits are recognized. The state is busy cleaning up and tightening up.
We don’t know when California State Christian University handed out it’s last doctorate or to who.
What do we know?
1. California State Christian University has a valid voluntary license with The California Department of Consumer Affairs.
2. It is not accredited with any recognized agencies in the US such as the US Department of Education or The Association of Theological Schools.
3. It’s affiliate schools in Canada are not recognized by ATS; both Victory and Canada Christian College got what they needed through provincial private member bills.
4. If Tae Han Theological Seminary and College is the US extension of a legitimate Korean Seminary, why is not listed as such with the US Department of Education or ATS?
5. California State Christian University is not recognized by accrediting agencies California does accept.
6. California State Christian University is using the past tense in reference to Tae Han Theological Seminary and College. (Tae Han Theological Seminary & College was the first of its kind…)
7. The site doesn’t identify which church, religious denomination or religious organization California State Christian University represents.
Canada Christian College hasn’t the most stellar history, McVety didn’t mind telling the Province of Ontario to take a long walk off a short dock. Victory Bible College International also had to get recognization with a private members bill. None of these institutions are subject to provincial review by assessment or quality assurance overview agencies. The unaccredited organizations clustering around are theologically dubious, let alone questionable economically and academically.
P.S. I’ve sent a couple queries to Korea asking for information on Tae Han Theological Seminary and College.
Related: The Harm of Diploma Mills
The Canadian Information Centre for International Credentials
Looking for Tae Han Theological Seminary and College.
International Colleges and Universities – Korea
Korea Ministry of Education and Human Resources
Korea – List of Colleges and Universities
Update: Yaya Canada is way ahead of me; Degree or not degree? California State Christian University lists Korean Gospel Missions International, Inc., at the 17145 Devonshire Street, Northridge found through independent research. Note the difference: Korean Gospel Missions Inc verus the site below.
Facinating that Yoon Kwon Chae, the founder of Korea Gospel Missions International Inc. has a ‘doctorate’ from the same diploma mill as Johnny Hunt, the current president of the Southern Baptist Convention. Both are connected to Immanuel Baptist Theological Seminary at 195 Fischer Rd, Sharpsburg, GA. Lester LeMay:
Published 1 year, 7 months ago 17 commentsBro. Chae began a publishing house in 1964 and started writing tracts and books to spread the Gospel. This has been a continuing ministry and some of his books (in both English and Korean) are presently available through the mission. A printed edition of his doctoral thesis (from Immanuel Baptist Seminary of Atlanta, Georgia), is available as “First Christian Mission to China”.

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You are doing an amazing job following up on this. I really appreciate your efforts and find it fascinating that such diploma mills could possibly fly under the radar. Could there be a reluctance on the part of officials because of their overtly religious nature?
Funny you should be looking into this, this has gotten to be a bit of an issue with my Brother In Law, who is attending Calvary Chapel Bible College in CA, and somehow seems to think that he is going to be able to take a law degree from his “degree” from there.
Sigh. I wish these schools were honest. I don’t see how you serve Christ by lying to the faithful.
Beijing: Yes. Very much so. This branch of Christianity is authoritarian, and doesn’t want adherents to be tainted by ‘ the world.’ A lot of fear involved. Thanks for your kind words.
Contrary to myth, Canadian government agencies are not interested in interfering in religion in Canada unless there are complaints. Even then they attempt to work with the church/organization to resolve issues. They are well aware of the value of religious freedom.
Mrs. Spit. I’m sorry. If your brother-in-law is an adult all you can do is point him to why properly accreditation is important, and stats on Calvary Chapel Bible College grads who have/have not been able to successfully transfer credits.
http://www.calvarychapelbiblecollege.com/wb/pages/main-campus/general-information/accreditation.php
Calvary is also a well known ‘ordination’ mill.
I suspect that this is not a diploma mill in a typical sense. If it were in the business of making money off fake degrees, it would be easier to find out how to get one. I suspect that the institution was originally set up to become a real seminary; that it didn’t succeed, but that the legal and administrative ’shell’ was left in existence; and that it has subsequently been used to give honorary degrees to friends.
Fair enough Buckets.
I’ve wondered that also, I just don’t know, and your point is well made.
Bottom line then – continued existance is not feasible. It has long outlived it’s usefulness and might as well be shut down. Paying licencing fees in a holding pattern while the state of California sorts out educational enforcement, does what exactly?
How do we know they aren’t taking money for fake degrees, or funnelling?
We don’t. There is no transparency, no accountability, nothing.
It’s still a Canadian problem – honourary degrees to friends undermines all of us. Parking a private little diploma mill out of the country and out of reach of our authorities is unethical.
Why isn’t it illegal? Diploma holders are on faculties, that’s fraud, isn’t it?
The more I read about different juristictions and agencies working to stop the bleeding from diploma mills, tighten up the handing out of honouraries; the more I realize men and women entering our political square saying they speak for Canadian Christians while holding pretend degrees and attempting to manipulate perception is just not going to cut it.
And even worse – looking at churches and groups that have decided basic standards others accept don’t apply to them makes me sick. There is no excuse in 2008.
This is one of the most unethical rackets I’ve ever looked at.
You’ve got some great new stuff here. Keep it up!
I see Yaya Canada came up with some information on St. Petersburg.
http://www.yayacanada.com/058-06.html
I see they are way ahead of me on the Korea investigation.
When you look at Korean Gospel Missions International, Inc (California State Christian University Northridge address) I’m blown away that Immanuel (Georgia) pops up.
That is one of the 2 diploma mills the current president of the Southern Baptist Convention – Johnny Hunt, accepted an honourary ‘doctorate’ from.
Jeff Lash also found the addy and mentioned it in the Johnny Hunt post here at BDBO.
Immanuel Baptist Theological Seminary 195 Fischer Rd, Sharpsburg, GA
Back to Charles McVety’s Russian honourary doctorate. As you remembered toujoursdan, Doug McVety pointed out the ‘doctorate’ was from Russia.
Yaya followed that trail.
I wish to do ministry together with you.
Hi Mi Nyunt:
Can you explain what you mean?
I found this most interesting doing some research on a church here in London Ontario with some similar doctorates from CSCU and Victory Check these titles out for the pastors of Oasis Fellowship
Keep digging – I always wondered about these bogus degrees
Douglas McGeachie DCC., M.RE/C., D-CPC., G.P.P.
• Doctoral degree – Victory Bible College International
• Master’s Degree in Christian Counselling, California State Christian University
• Missionaries in Guatemala
• Certified Pastoral Counsellors
• Certified Marriage Counsellors
• Married; 2 children, 3 grandchildren
• Members of Evangelical Order of Certified Pastoral Counsellors of America
• Teaching staff of Evangelical Order of Certified Pastoral Counsellors of America
• Counselling in Christian and secular settings
• Owned a small business for 10 years
Aileen McGeachie D.C.C., M.RE/C., D-CPC., G.P.P.
• Doctoral degree – Victory Bible College International
• Master’s Degree in Christian Counselling, California State Christian University
• Missionaries in Guatemala
• Certified Pastoral Counsellors
• Certified Marriage Counsellors
• Married; 2 children, 3 grandchildren
• Members of Evangelical Order of Certified Pastoral Counsellors of America
• Teaching staff of Evangelical Order of Certified Pastoral Counsellors of America
• Counselling in Christian and secular settings
• Retired licensed Physiotherapist – Hospital for Sick Children, Toronto, ON, – 20 years
I know that there is a skepticism about honorary degrees and while some are certainly unearned you can look at the profiles of literally every University President and notice they too have an honorary degree in addition to their academic awarded degrees.
Many of the leading Universities around America now also offer life experience credit to student who have work experience that is considered of value to their educational pursuit.
Honorary doctorates are given not only by Christian Universities but regularly by major State institutions to actors, business professionals, and even to politicians who come and speak at graduations or make substantial contributions to the University.
If a doctorate (honorary) is given by an institution because it believes the life’s work or the contribution of the individual to the betterment of the school or the society that is the prerogative of the Institution.
While we may question the merits of any Institution in giving a honorary degree to any individual we must not devalue the honor bestowed as it has been long recognized in Academia as an appropriate honor for those whose life truly deserves it.
To slam CSCU for granting this degree because of your vendetta against Dr. Mc Vitie shows little appreciation or understanding of the reason for and worth of an honorary degree.
I would also add that the holder on an honorary degree postulating that it has been earned through normal academic rigors is dishonest but having the degree is evidence at least someone recognizes the work and contribution of an individual as having value.
I can’t be sure but I believe that if an institution of higher learning saw your life’s work and wanted to honor it by the granting of a honorary degree you would see it for what it is a visible thank-you for a substantial contribution to the betterment of our world.
Thanks Robert.
It’s McVety.
Charles McVety.
It is not an academic institution, it’s a diploma mill.
Facts aren’t going to change because you think I have some kind of vendetta against Rev. McVety.
Yes, if an accredited university or institute of higher learning offered me an honourary it would be quite the thank you.
If a diploma mill offered me an honourary, it wouldn’t be worth the paper it’s printed on.
A followup: Dr. Kim Chi Sun, The first doctor of theology in Korea and called by Dr. David Cho the Pastor of the largest church in the world called him the Jeremiah of Korea and credited him with personally mentoring him as a pastor and spiritual leader in Korea. After being in Korea this past month everywhere I went his name was recognized and revered
His works are archived in Anyang University the most noteable being The Heart of the Gospel. I have pictures of both he and his work. A visit to Anyang University presidents office gave credit to his starting the seminary which went on to be the University. Virtually every church iun Korea has an early morning prayer service and I attended quite a few credits Dr Kim chi Sun with starting this among the churches and he is seen as one of the key founders of what has become a spiritual revival in Korea.
His Son Samuel Kim the president of CSCU is also respected greatly in Korea as I found out. CSCU while it may not be perfect is certainly reformulating itself to train Pastors with 3 critical foundations.
1. their theological competence
2. their Spiritual Character
3. their Missiological Passion
The campus is part of a University consortium housed at William Carey University in Pasadena headed by Dr. Ralph winter founder if the US Center for World Mission.
You can check out the website and you will find a dramatic change from what you are blogging. Even the most prolific Christian Author in america Dr. Larry Richards believes enough in the University to allow his name and advice to be part of the website as the Academic advisor .
check the PhD requirements and you will see they meet or exceed the requirements of major world universities.
All the facts in this email can be verified by simple research and if I could post pictures to verify it I would.
No wonder Christianity in America and Canada is in so much trouble when half truths at best get postulated as fact.
Maybe however the blog has no intention of promoting the good in christianity but simply finding those who are flawed and exploiting them.
You can post pictures Robert.
As a matter of fact I’ll post anything you’d like including your comments, and any other comments you care to offer.
Just email me, I won’t censor anything you send, it will go up as is.
CCCU is not accredited.
Kim Chi Sun’s books being in Anyang University does not lend legitimacy to CCCU.
Samuel Kim being respected in Korea does not make CCCU accredited.
Charles McVety has an honourary from CCCU, not Anyang.
Dr. Winters is free to endorse anyone he pleases.
The William Carey vanity publishing house may well put out some good books, but it doesn’t change the fact CCCU is not accredited.
Yes, the website has been updated. The Canadian link now goes directly to the California webpage.
http://www.cscu.edu/index.php?pageId=1
California State Christian University website:
“At the present time (spring 2009) the enabling legislation that created California’s Bureau for Private Postsecondary & Vocational Education (BPPVE) has expired and renewing legislation is uncertain. Before the expiration, CSCU was approved by the BPPVE, today new State approval in California cannot be obtained.
CSCU makes no statement that its graduates will be accepted by specific institutions or boards. The intent of the administration/faculty is to meet and exceed the academic quality posed by recognized accrediting agencies.”
Saying academic standards exceed accredited institutions in the State of California or anywhere does not make CCCU accredited.
If you want an opportunity to rebut, email it in and you can have a full guest post.
Dear Bene Diction,
You have mentioned many names on your blog, including mine. What is your name?
Regards,
James Kim
I can personally tell you that CSCU is making organizational strides to seek WASC accreditation, the Transnational Association of Christian Colleges and Schools and the Association of Biblical Higher Education (formerly The Accrediting Association of Bible Colleges). These are members of the Commission of Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA). We’re not there yet, but we are prayerfully working to accomplish those goals.
Hi James, BD is fine.
What is your relationship to Samuel S. Kim?
Good luck attaining accreditation.