Comments on: Todd Bentley and wife Shonnah separate http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/08/12/todd-bentley-and-wife-separate/ Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:30:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Bene Diction http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/08/12/todd-bentley-and-wife-separate/#comment-109195 Bene Diction Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:47:44 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=4069#comment-109195 <em>The comment section for this post is closed. The discussion is continuing at the latest post: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5z93b8" rel="nofollow">Fresh Fire Ministries public apology Bentley steps down</a> Bene D</em> The comment section for this post is closed.

The discussion is continuing at the latest post: Fresh Fire Ministries public apology Bentley steps down

Bene D

]]> By: Bene D http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/08/12/todd-bentley-and-wife-separate/#comment-109193 Bene D Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:09:37 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=4069#comment-109193 Wow! Duly noted. Wow! Duly noted.

]]> By: wow! http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/08/12/todd-bentley-and-wife-separate/#comment-109192 wow! Mon, 18 Aug 2008 00:06:33 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=4069#comment-109192 Bene D you write more like a psychologist than someone with any wisdom. after reading your replies to posts that don't agree with you, there comes a reply thats patronizing and states that it must either be the person's defense mechanism or lack of understanding instead of considering that what they are saying they may actually mean? I read some posts here that are truly from the heart in what they say, and you can tell they are because theres a real passion for what God is doing, but then there are the knowledgable replies that try and ignore these points. I would suggest that your responses are actually the defence mechanism you have for yourself to counter the truths that challenge what you and others say. Posts which agree with you are clearly welcomed with open arms, but those that don't are put down by you. If you welcome all views on here then do us a favour and don't be so obviously upset and offended by a bit of truth and wisdom once and a while and lets all share what we believe instead of having a rather pompous answer from you. I'm sure this post won't be well received, as i'm sure this will probably be viewed as my defence mechanism. The only reason i'm posting this is because i do not find this on other forums and thought it needed to be said. Bene D you write more like a psychologist than someone with any wisdom.
after reading your replies to posts that don’t agree with you, there comes a reply thats patronizing and states that it must either be the person’s defense mechanism or lack of understanding instead of considering that what they are saying they may actually mean? I read some posts here that are truly from the heart in what they say, and you can tell they are because theres a real passion for what God is doing, but then there are the knowledgable replies that try and ignore these points.
I would suggest that your responses are actually the defence mechanism you have for yourself to counter the truths that challenge what you and others say.
Posts which agree with you are clearly welcomed with open arms, but those that don’t are put down by you.
If you welcome all views on here then do us a favour and don’t be so obviously upset and offended by a bit of truth and wisdom once and a while and lets all share what we believe instead of having a rather pompous answer from you.
I’m sure this post won’t be well received, as i’m sure this will probably be viewed as my defence mechanism. The only reason i’m posting this is because i do not find this on other forums and thought it needed to be said.

]]> By: Bene D http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/08/12/todd-bentley-and-wife-separate/#comment-109187 Bene D Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:05:34 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=4069#comment-109187 Hi Miriam: Point out the specific comment about 'about money and about all the other junk' please. I hear your expression of un-ease, that's common when we don't understand what judging means in judge not, lest you be judged. Use your concordance. To rightfully judge is to appraise, discern, evaluate, discriminate. "Too often Christians fall into one of two traps relating to the issue of judging: a) One is to refrain entirely, giving as a basis Christ's words of ''judge not lest you be judged''. b) The other is to render a verdict on every person and situation that comes to one's attention. Such as suggesting jealousy. "The Christian, on the other hand, is never given the right or the responsibility of eternally judging anyone (unless they have clearly rejected Christ permanently). Christians cannot correctly weigh action, motives, opportunities, nor know all things about any individual: God alone is capable to do so. However, Christians are to make decisions (appraisals, discernments, and even take corrective actions). But even judging in this aspect is intended to be remedial, and leaves the door open to the person for repentance and reconciliation. Any judging on the part of a Christian which does not, is a false aspect of Christian judgment. We are called upon to ''judge righteous judgment'' (John 7:24) and failure to do so is to be negligent in a crucial aspect of our Christian calling." http://www.apologeticsindex.org/j14.html Read up, and if you disagree what has been said come back and discuss it. Hi Miriam:

Point out the specific comment about ‘about money and about all the other junk’ please.

I hear your expression of un-ease, that’s common when we don’t understand what judging means in judge not, lest you be judged. Use your concordance. To rightfully judge is to appraise, discern, evaluate, discriminate.

“Too often Christians fall into one of two traps relating to the issue of judging:
a) One is to refrain entirely, giving as a basis Christ’s words of ”judge not lest you be judged”.
b) The other is to render a verdict on every person and situation that comes to one’s attention.

Such as suggesting jealousy.

“The Christian, on the other hand, is never given the right or the responsibility of eternally judging anyone (unless they have clearly rejected Christ permanently). Christians cannot correctly weigh action, motives, opportunities, nor know all things about any individual: God alone is capable to do so.

However, Christians are to make decisions (appraisals, discernments, and even take corrective actions). But even judging in this aspect is intended to be remedial, and leaves the door open to the person for repentance and reconciliation. Any judging on the part of a Christian which does not, is a false aspect of Christian judgment. We are called upon to ”judge righteous judgment” (John 7:24) and failure to do so is to be negligent in a crucial aspect of our Christian calling.”

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/j14.html

Read up, and if you disagree what has been said come back and discuss it.

]]> By: Miriam http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/08/12/todd-bentley-and-wife-separate/#comment-109186 Miriam Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:36:19 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=4069#comment-109186 I am disgusted by the comment that I am reading from some of the pastor about money and about all the other junk! It is evident that God has use Todd Bentley to advance the kingdom and just like Jesus once he is Baptize in the HOLY SPIRIT, THE DEVIL comes immediately to try to steal kill and destroy. Instead of acknowledging and help our brother in Christ to fight the enemy for trying to destroy another Godly, family, YOU, PEOPLE ARE SO QUICK TO JUDGE. It breaks my heart to read this and it breaks my heart even more to know it is pastor and supposely Christian to make such comment about our own brother in Christ's heart! A worker DESERVES his wages, so don't be jealous the fact that you didn't have the same wages rather may be turn your jealousy into something supportive instead! As for me, I will be standing by our Brother Todd and his Wife to continue to pray for restoration strength to protect the grace that is there and not allow the enemy to do another damage. I am disgusted by the comment that I am reading from some of the pastor about money and about all the other junk!
It is evident that God has use Todd Bentley to advance the kingdom and just like Jesus once he is Baptize in the HOLY SPIRIT, THE DEVIL comes immediately to try to steal kill and destroy. Instead of acknowledging and help our brother in Christ to fight the enemy for trying to destroy another Godly, family, YOU, PEOPLE ARE SO QUICK TO JUDGE. It breaks my heart to read this and it breaks my heart even more to know it is pastor and supposely Christian to make such comment about our own brother in Christ’s heart!
A worker DESERVES his wages, so don’t be jealous the fact that you didn’t have the same wages rather may be turn your jealousy into something supportive instead!
As for me, I will be standing by our Brother Todd and his Wife to continue to pray for restoration strength to protect the grace that is there and not allow the enemy to do another damage.

]]> By: Bene Diction http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/08/12/todd-bentley-and-wife-separate/#comment-109185 Bene Diction Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:16:07 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=4069#comment-109185 Sue: I'm sorry, I didn't see your comment, it is a great summer day and I was out enjoying it. I don't have an email/letter from you, just your comment. Welcome to Canada.:^) What is difficult about dialogue that it offends you I'd talk with you on my blog? Yes. The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked, who can know it? Moving on to answer that: Verse 10: "I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings." Am I asking you to 'trust' my motives? No. I'm laying out evidence. Weigh it. Decide for yourself. I think LT explains that well. If facts are in error, correct them, you will not be scorned. Sue, I'm not going to play <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bind" rel="nofollow">double bind.</a> I'm not your enemy. Sue:

I’m sorry, I didn’t see your comment, it is a great summer day and I was out enjoying it.

I don’t have an email/letter from you, just your comment. Welcome to Canada.:^)
What is difficult about dialogue that it offends you I’d talk with you on my blog?

Yes.
The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked, who can know it?

Moving on to answer that:
Verse 10:

“I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.”

Am I asking you to ‘trust’ my motives?
No.
I’m laying out evidence.
Weigh it.
Decide for yourself.

I think LT explains that well.

If facts are in error, correct them, you will not be scorned.
Sue, I’m not going to play double bind. I’m not your enemy.

]]> By: Leighton Tebay http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/08/12/todd-bentley-and-wife-separate/#comment-109184 Leighton Tebay Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:39:59 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=4069#comment-109184 <I>I am from Europe but am flabbergasted that you have websites up just to judge the ministry of others. I’m not at all impressed … Please don’t give me all those scriptures about judging false prophets and so on because I can give you lots especially the one that says ‘the heart is deceitful above all things’ so why would I or anyone else trust your motives especially when you’re pulling down someone else and doing it publicly for the whole world to see when we should be protecting and not exposing. I would say check your own hearts first … Jesus had a lot to say about the pharisees!!! And for many of us we don’t know where we will be or what kind of trials we’ll be facing next year or the year after. And from you Mr Bene Diction I would appreciate not having you answering my letter … if you you’re going to dish it out publicly </I> Take a look at the archives of this site. You'll see that the scope of the topics discussed here go far beyond "the ministry of others." Why do you need to trust anyone's motives? No one knows the heart of anyone except God. Are we supposed to wait until we are 100% perfect before we speak out against deception and corruption that destroys peoples lives? Why are all Bene's critics so sure of Bene's motives on one hand and on the other say no one is allowed to judge Bentley's motives? Does anyone else see the double standard here? We can't judge motives but we can discern the facts. We should be protecting not exposing? Because hiding the truth sets us free? Pharisees were people who made God's law void by making up their own laws, not people who actually followed God commands. BTW I know "Mr. Bene Diction" personally, and I know where this stuff comes from, and it isn't from jealousy or bitterness or legalism. It comes from a deep and abiding care for wounded and weary. Bene is no pharisee, in fact Bene has been known to drive some Pharisees right around the bend. Bene isn't perfect, neither am I and neither are you. To make this about Bene's motives is a pure deflection from the heart of the matter. It is nothing more than shooting the messenger. I am from Europe but am flabbergasted that you have websites up just to judge the ministry of others. I’m not at all impressed … Please don’t give me all those scriptures about judging false prophets and so on because I can give you lots especially the one that says ‘the heart is deceitful above all things’ so why would I or anyone else trust your motives especially when you’re pulling down someone else and doing it publicly for the whole world to see when we should be protecting and not exposing. I would say check your own hearts first … Jesus had a lot to say about the pharisees!!! And for many of us we don’t know where we will be or what kind of trials we’ll be facing next year or the year after.

And from you Mr Bene Diction I would appreciate not having you answering my letter … if you you’re going to dish it out publicly

Take a look at the archives of this site. You’ll see that the scope of the topics discussed here go far beyond “the ministry of others.”

Why do you need to trust anyone’s motives? No one knows the heart of anyone except God. Are we supposed to wait until we are 100% perfect before we speak out against deception and corruption that destroys peoples lives?

Why are all Bene’s critics so sure of Bene’s motives on one hand and on the other say no one is allowed to judge Bentley’s motives? Does anyone else see the double standard here?

We can’t judge motives but we can discern the facts.

We should be protecting not exposing? Because hiding the truth sets us free?

Pharisees were people who made God’s law void by making up their own laws, not people who actually followed God commands.

BTW I know “Mr. Bene Diction” personally, and I know where this stuff comes from, and it isn’t from jealousy or bitterness or legalism. It comes from a deep and abiding care for wounded and weary. Bene is no pharisee, in fact Bene has been known to drive some Pharisees right around the bend. Bene isn’t perfect, neither am I and neither are you. To make this about Bene’s motives is a pure deflection from the heart of the matter. It is nothing more than shooting the messenger.

]]> By: Nic http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/08/12/todd-bentley-and-wife-separate/#comment-109182 Nic Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:30:15 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=4069#comment-109182 God's Heart must be broken at the judgement and lack of love and seeiing christians full of there own opions judge and have a crack at each other on both sides of the todd bentley thing.be humble seek jesus first love one another .Yes we should discern but if by his grace and its ONLY BY HIS GRACE we discern error in another brother or sister in christ we should love them and pray for them not slander or judge them.Only the lord know s every circomstance in a situation we don't.Also we shouldn't blindly follow anybody who does miracles.By the fruit we shall know them.We should also pray against deception in the church also please also see my previous blogs God bless you all in christ jesus keep praying and reading the word.Be humble and fear God it is the beginging of wisdom forgive my spelling! God’s Heart must be broken at the judgement and lack of love and seeiing christians full of there own opions judge and have a crack at each other on both sides of the todd bentley thing.be humble seek jesus first love one another .Yes we should discern but if by his grace and its ONLY BY HIS GRACE we discern error in another brother or sister in christ we should love them and pray for them not slander or judge them.Only the lord know s every circomstance in a situation we don’t.Also we shouldn’t blindly follow anybody who does miracles.By the fruit we shall know them.We should also pray against deception in the church also please also see my previous blogs God bless you all in christ jesus keep praying and reading the word.Be humble and fear God it is the beginging of wisdom forgive my spelling!

]]> By: Sue http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/08/12/todd-bentley-and-wife-separate/#comment-109180 Sue Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:11:23 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=4069#comment-109180 I am from Europe but am flabbergasted that you have websites up just to judge the ministry of others. I'm not at all impressed ... Please don't give me all those scriptures about judging false prophets and so on because I can give you lots especially the one that says 'the heart is deceitful above all things' so why would I or anyone else trust your motives especially when you're pulling down someone else and doing it publicly for the whole world to see when we should be protecting and not exposing. I would say check your own hearts first ... Jesus had a lot to say about the pharisees!!! And for many of us we don't know where we will be or what kind of trials we'll be facing next year or the year after. And from you Mr Bene Diction I would appreciate not having you answering my letter ... if you you're going to dish it out publicly ...... I am from Europe but am flabbergasted that you have websites up just to judge the ministry of others. I’m not at all impressed … Please don’t give me all those scriptures about judging false prophets and so on because I can give you lots especially the one that says ‘the heart is deceitful above all things’ so why would I or anyone else trust your motives especially when you’re pulling down someone else and doing it publicly for the whole world to see when we should be protecting and not exposing. I would say check your own hearts first … Jesus had a lot to say about the pharisees!!! And for many of us we don’t know where we will be or what kind of trials we’ll be facing next year or the year after.

And from you Mr Bene Diction I would appreciate not having you answering my letter … if you you’re going to dish it out publicly ……

]]> By: nic http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2008/08/12/todd-bentley-and-wife-separate/#comment-109176 nic Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:15:45 +0000 http://www.benedictionblogson.com/?p=4069#comment-109176 Bene diction good article thank you for posting the link ,yes i have prayed for anybody who has been hurt by lakeland i have also thanked God for the many Good fruits from lakeland also including 2 healings that i have personally received God bless you Nic p.s. if we are honest there is good fruit and bad is all of us hopefully more good than bad ! Bene diction good article thank you for posting the link ,yes i have prayed for anybody who has been hurt by lakeland i have also thanked God for the many Good fruits from lakeland also including 2 healings that i have personally received God bless you Nic p.s. if we are honest there is good fruit and bad is all of us hopefully more good than bad !

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