Last week a diverse group of bloggers asked traditional media (Globe and Mail in particular) to fact check information they received from special interest groups. The National Post was on the list, but Kirk Makin in particular for uncritically putting up remarks by The Canada Family Action Coalition without asking basic questions.
The Star, which had also published the Coalition complaint without question was the first to give a columnist room to refute. Next the Globe and Mail chimed in Thursday with an opinion piece - Smearing the Chief Justice.
Those who oppose abortion, or seek restrictions to protect the lives of fetuses, take the decision to honour Dr. Morgentaler as an affront. To disagree with his appointment is reasonable — abortion remains a polarizing issue — but complaints about the outcome should be made to the Governor-General, who awards the Order of Canada, not to the CJC.
To attack the process by which Dr. Morgentaler was appointed to the Order of Canada is also open to the Canadian Family Action Coalition. The group can do so by challenging the Constitution of the Order of Canada, which obliges the Chief Justice to act as the chair of the advisory council to the Order of Canada.
Accusing the Chief Justice of judicial misconduct, however, suggests these activists are merely looking for publicity.
Well, yes, that is exactly what they were looking for and bloggers were happy to provide them with some. Just not quite what they were looking for. Taking the ‘42 religious organizations representing a million Canadians’ many top notch bloggers across political spectrum made clear the duplicity and dishonesty of representation of the signatures on the complaints. The Star willing named some of the bloggers who did the heavy lifting. The Globe did not, but that’s okay, Bouquets of Grey lacerated dishonesty of the Coalition’s misrepresentation with facts and the 42 fell to the low 20’s. The latest in the post - When the aints go marching in.
Traditional media (other than Antonia Zerbisias) did not weigh in until Chris Bird at the Osgoode Hall Law School blog tore the Canada Family Action Coalition complaint into legal confetti sized fluff. Of course a comment response was to point out a bible verse was taken out of context, the substance of Bird’s legal argument could not be addressed, so it was rather fun to run with the comment by pointing out the bible verse even in context stood, and if that wasn’t sufficient, it’s not difficult to provide other examples. The legal argument is what the complaint stands or falls on, and it’s fallen badly. It wasn’t standing in the first place.
Media didn’t do their job, bloggers did their job for them. It’s good to see paid media catch up, good for them, and without rancor toward bloggers who do what they do without pay and because we like blogging and we like truth. But it doesn’t have to be this way, reporters read blogs, this wasn’t about sides or animosity, it was about telling the truth. And media weighted in late, people notice and their creds take a beating.
Colby Cosh at the National Post took the Coalition complaint out to the chopping block Friday in A Ludicrous Attack On McLachlin. Cosh is an acidic, succinct writer and I think he showed restraint.
The commenters were not happy, and went after him (calling him a liberal, complaining about his language as unbecoming a journalist etc.) instead of addressing the substance of his argument; similar to some of the Chris Bird complaints. Read the comments at your peril, it’s nearly fall, enjoy the weather and don’t wear off the end of the summer mellow you’ve accumulated. Life is too short.:^)
“No one was ever scolded out of their sins.” - William Crowper
Update: Brian Rushfeldt responds to Colby Cosh in The National Post. It wasn’t his fault, the Coalition was stonewalled. Not a peep about the Coalition astroturfing. Of course.
via: unrepentant old hippie
I mentioned Dennis Gruending had written a primer on ‘The Cry’ a rally for Canadian neo-pentecostals which has been held for a few years on Parliament Hill. They bus in young people looking for an exciting afternoon, and I’m genuinely surprised at how far the numbers are down from earlier rallies. Dr. Dawg showed up to an anti-abortion rally in July and reported about 400 kids were bused in.
The Cry didn’t get the turnout they hoped for this weekend either.
The Bible says the meek shall inherit the Earth, but there
was no trace of meekness in Faytene Kryskow and her passionate preaching yesterday on Parliament Hill.
“We’re going to turn Parliament Hill into the Wailing Wall,” Ms. Kryskow told about 400 followers spread out on Parliament’s front lawn. The prayer gathering is known as The Cry, a rally for fundamentalist youth who believe mainstream Canadian society is morally bankrupt.
Why not? Expenses? Has the target group that started with 4MyCanada grown up and moved on? Organizer Kystow’s ties to Extreme Prophetic and Canadian Todd Bentley’s neo-pentecostalism and extra-biblical heresy and militant extremism exposed in the US?
The poor advice on 4MyCanada to teens on how to voice opinion to government?
4MyCanada promised young people heading to Ottawa this past weekend:
The day will include of mix of Christian bands (leading in worship), well known national leaders from various denominations/MPs & Senators bringing short exhortations and many young emerging Christian leaders leading the crowd in prayer for a variety of key issues facing Canada right now.
…The day will include of mix of Christian bands (leading in worship), well known national leaders from various denominations/MPs & Senators bringing short exhortations and many young emerging Christian leaders leading the crowd in prayer for a variety of key issues facing Canada right now.
It appears Kystow’s followers weren’t mocked, and there is no mention (I could find) of the promised religious rock bands, well known national leaders or MP’s and Senators showing up.
There are three more ‘The Cry’s scheduled this year.
Any ideas on why 4MyCanada and The Cry seems to be losing steam?
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Hate, while an easy and dependable fuel, is difficult to sustain.
It seems Fantene Kystow’s particular brand of pseudo-edgy charismatic preaching is not catching on any more. Perhaps Kystow should examine how Madonna regenerates and markets herself, if she wants to hold on to her fan club and recruit new followers.
The object is to attract young people into fundamentalism and that isn’t going to change because there was a low turnout.
I doubt most high school and college age people are aware of the wider underpinnings of this group.
The militancy of Ms. Kystow’s neo-pentecostalism may be losing it’s luster as real wars drag on and the economy dips.
I’m genuinely curious to know why this fizzled this time out.
I’m seeing it in Australia, UK, here. Young people serious about their faith are walking away from Joel’s Army extremism and moving on.
There’s always a market for fire-and-brimstone preaching and ranting against a fallen government in certain quarters of evangelicaldom; some of it comes from Baptist and other non-charismatic quarters that wouldn’t fit into your Joel’s Army paradigm.
However, there is probably a bit of fatigue and realism set in on the Canadian “religious right” that they’re not going to change things on a political level anytime soon. Even if the Conservatives manage to get a majority, there are enough old PC-style folks like Peter MacKay in the Tory camp to keep things like same-sex-marriage repeal or any abortion legislation at bay.
Thus, the folks sponsoring these rallies are, to tweak the Bard, full of sound and fury, changing nothing. More thoughtful folks will shift gears to evangelism and discipleship and put the political stuff on the back burner.
“No one was ever scolded out of their sins.” - William Crowper
Pax Mr. Crowper
2 Samuel 12:7-12
Faytene Kryskow had doctrinal issues and is not a nice person
I’m not suprised by this because I remember Faytene when she was in Vancouver but what seems to suprise me is how is it she seems to get away with so much ?
She’s anything but meek is true.
She burns her bridges
In May/04 came back from Fresh Fire,Abbotsford to Worship Invasion at Peace Portal Alliance,Surrey,it was there this group under Ed & Wendy Rubuliak someone who helps run the group slanders me quickly saying,”Do you know you are never allowed to go to a Fresh Fire Conference again because you prayed ove a wonam and took the rin off of her finger”thinfs turned ugly.Thye told Faytene because at Extreme Prophetic she was really terrible to me
Faytene is anything but meek, I agree.This seems to be a them for her from when she was in Vancouver.
I had a really bad experience with persons like her.
It started with Todd Bentley Fresh Fire,Abbotsford Pentecostal in May/04.The conference itself was quite good with a nice banquet alive atmosphere but something seemed a little strange though.
Later in May/04 I go to a Worship Invasion,Moderated by Ed Rubuliak was the Young Adults leader at Glad Tidings Church,at a Venue event at Peace Portal Alliance n Surrey,BC.It was there, as soon as I set foot in the place,one of his bad crew quickly slandered me said,”Do you know you are never allowed to go to a Fresh Fire Conference again because you prayed over a woman and took the ring off of her finger?”,I did no such thing,they did not want to hear me,I just froze it was so bizarre.I was really wronged.I phoned Peace Portal Alliance and they’ve never been allowed back since.Worship Invasion ;probably thought they had a prophetic vision but had they discerned would’ve found out otherwise.
June/04 Extreme Prophetic,Vancouver,run by Faytene Kryskow,all three of these groups are linked.They must’ve told her because she knew my name,etc but she doesn’t know me,how sneaky!
She sees me on the public sidewalk and talks me down by talking fast and being controlling sais,”John Paysar -I don’t like you- you’re standing on private property,we own the building,we’ll phone the Police,I rebuke you in the name of Jesus”,tries to shove me down the sidewalk.
The Venue event was in the Cordial Hall lon Pender & Templeton in Vancouver and the truth is it is owned by the Killarney Community Center who rents it to the Salvation Army War College who allowed Faytene to use the building so she is in no way connected to the property owners and also a public sidewalk is not private property.
Someone from the War College met with me and we talked and he said,”Faytene Kryskow wronged you,did not allow you to be heard,has doctrinal issues and will never be allowed to use the Salvation Army War College Vancouver again”.
I’m sorry you tangled with Kryskow, given who she works with, I’m not surprised you were threatened.
You may have filled in a bit of the personal puzzle for me, it is quite unlike the Salvation Army to speak publicly against another group or individual, but one of the members did against Bentley. The Gibson pastoral group did not want their youth groups going to a Bentley show and for some reason the Sally Ann officer’s unequivical statement stood out.
The kids Krystow targets are so vulnerable to the authoritarianism.
Doctrinal issues is an understatement…
Faytene Kryskow,who is umarried herself with no children,so what does she know about treating younger people well if she hasn’t learned so as a parent and how was her home life?
What were the family dynamics of Faytene Kryskow?
The vulnerable kids she targets with fast talk and buying them by giving away things she had prices on !
She probably treated the vulnerable kids the way she treated me but they probably didn’t know what to do because they were scared and vulnerable.The way Faytene moves around could make it hard for these wronged younger persons to band together as a group.
I’m glad of your Blog is healing and supportive for me !
I’m very glad you’re doing this because I think Faytene has gotten away with too much and I can’t believe how much she gets away with !
This authoritarianism and Faytene’s interest in politics sounds like Dominionism
Who are the persons she works with and how do you find them?
There must be some bad infighting between the persons Faytene works with.So,how long will they last?
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Who are the people that Faytene Kryskow works with and what are they like.She’d be under Patricia King.She works with Wes & Stacy Campbell.Has ties with Todd Bentley and Fresh Fire and they can be a bit much the way Todd says God commanded to kick people is a bit much.Her ties with Ed Rubuliak is the moderator of Worship Invasion is a very quick talking arrogant man.
I think this subculture of extremist charismatic fringes persons have been treated badly and continue on in the same way to others.This is a poisonous undercurrent and dynamics is just plain sad.And,by the way,they don’t strike me as very happy persons.
I’d once seen Faytene Kryskow at a Fresh Fire Conference run by Todd Bentley at the Abbotsford Pentecostal Church in Abbotsford and at the Salvation Army 3:16 club where they put on a free dinner for us.At the table was an older Salvation Army officer who was nice and seemed sound.But Faytene Kryskow was another story,she had a rather bizarre and judgemental look on her face towards me like she only wants herself and others to be -a certain way- or else is what I picked up on.But what and why is it with this certain way?
She did not get in to the Christian Heritage Party but I have seen that the group once closed as listed on wikipedia and persons at my church don’t sound too crazy about it.
How does Faytene make money? Does she collect welfare and work under the table?
She does not seem like a mentally healthy person, I wonder if she’s had a psychiatric assessment.
Why do these people act in this threatening and aggessive way?
Why did they harm me,how come they always seem to get away with it and what is it based on?
John, I think Krsytow makes money in media and promotion for groups like Extreme Prophetic, websites, pr, conferences - but don’t quote me.
The New Apostolic Reformation is not healthy spiritually, mentally, emotionally or socially no matter how well they market themselves - that’s why you see so many Christians online warning others.
I grieve for anyone caught up in it.
Because core beliefs are so unsound, and the demands on those who work in this belief system are so stringent, it is designed and marketed to attract people looking for shelter. Since they are attractive to the vulnerable, a lot of people leave broken.
Any one of us could be conned. If we don’t have strong support systems, we can be sucked into anything. We don’t understand or accept sin, accountability and responsibility and how incredible God’s love is to save us from our filth and ignorance.
In healthy churches when people get hurt, issues are dealt with honestly, repentance and restoration are goals with no shortcuts.
There is respect, discernment, inter-dependence.
Many ministers are trained to help those coming out of sick authoritarian structures or know where to refer someone who needs to work through what happened to them.
Local pastor used YouTube to warn Floridians and the rest of us when the Straders started their next con - Lakeland.
Other churches in the region helped people who needed transportation money home, or food or counselling.
Christians haven’t gone away, they just don’t start TV stations and brag and beg.:^)
NAR is dominionist, they believe Christ is being held in heaven until they (Joel’s Army or whatever military title de jour they chose) subdue the earth.
Believes are man-centred, not Christ centred or biblical. They believe they have to rule/subdue or God can’t work.
They believe they have to defeat Satan.
They believe if we don’t obey them, we are their enemy.
They embrace Kingdom Now/Manifest Sons of God/Prosperity/gnosticism - a sorry mish mash of man made religion that has nothing to do with who Jesus Christ is and our relationship to Him.
You’ve seen that it is narcissistic, militaristic, aberrant and will go unchecked as long as we don’t speak up in love and firmness, expose their beliefs and behaviors using God’s word and we learn to socially marginalize them and cut of their money train.
These beliefs have ebbed and flowed throughout history, morphed into the latest nonsense you have brushed against and you’re seeing an uptick these days for a lot of different reasons.
Your warning bells went off. That’s a good thing.
In being Bereans we are compelled by the love of God to reach out to those who have been wounded.
People can only heal when they understand what they embraced is sick.
Followers and leaders wouldn’t go for a mental health evaluation - that would be seen as failure and sin - unless they chose to walk away and realize the harm they’ve been exposed to and promoted. A network of their own ‘therapists’ have been around for years keep followers from leaving. (same as Scientology, Christian Science and other sects and cults)
Walking away is a very difficult thing to do.
When you are taught you have to do what leaders who tell you they are anointed or God will punish you, it’s easy to be threatening and aggressive and justify your behavior.
Under that arrogance is fear, but that doesn’t mean in understanding that you have to take the abuse.
Shaking off the dust and walking away is smart.
They believe aggression is their God given responsibility and right (they think they are responsible for battling Satan) and threats are needed and necessary to get people righteous and obedient.
They actually believe what they do determines God’s timetable and He can’t act until they subdue the earth.
So aggression is part of being what they see as a good follower.
Threatening is necessary to either save you or separate you as enemy. If they save you it is so you can be used to subdue the earth. You are their spiritual cannon fodder.
Gnostic to the core.
I’m so sorry you’ve been harmed - delusional people can be quite toxic.
I’ve seen others who have a strong sense of self, skepticism, logic, relationship with Christ and with biblical grounding be treated very badly.
They don’t always get away with it, I know it feels that way.
Just the prosperity gospel alone - Bakker, Swaggert, Haggard, Popoff.
Caught.
Under US federal scrutiny: Copeland, Hinn, White.
Sick or dead: Cain, Jones, and more I can’t think of off the top of my head.
Sidelined: Bentley.
Scorned and exposed: Dobson, Wagner, Crowder, King…
God is just and He is awake.
It only feels like they always seem to get away with it.
I’m praying you find more guys like your Salvation Army table-mate; grounded in reality, scripturally aware, merciful, filled with God’s love and there for you.
The fellow is Jonathan Evans from the Salvation Army War College in Vancouver
Jonathan_Evans@thewarcollege.com
http://www.thewarcollege.com/
If you click Vancouver then leaders Wes & Stacy Campbell pop up
College faculty Jonathan Evans, click Visting Faculty Faytene Kryskow & Patricia King pop up.
Faytene Kryskow was at West Point Christian Fellowship on W12th&Macdonald in Vancouver.
Wes & Stacy Campbell were at Kelowna Christian Fellowship when a person came in with a great investment that cost the congregation 1 Million Dollars is called affinity fraud. Stacy is now the head of the Canadian Prophetic Council and I’ve seen her head shaking her head around on U-Tube a bit like Todd Bentley
If you click
http://www.worshipinvasion.com/
then click Photo Slide Show the very last one to click is Se 08 Take the Hill SFU
“Worship Invasion takes on the Hill”
This group is linked with Faytene/Extreme Prophetic & Todd Bentley/Fresh Fire
So you can see when they said to me June04 Peace Portal Alliance,Surrey about the praying over a woman and taking the ring off of her finger slander how Faytene found out and believed them too and not me
Ed Rubuliak was the young Adults leader at Glad Tidings Church Fraser & E18th,Van,BC lives in Bonavista Place in Richmond.Computer Science Teacher BCIT
Faytene was with West Point Christian Fellowship,W12th& Macdonald,Van,BC.
Another helpfull person/group has been the Prayer Book Society for the Anglican Church
click
http://www.prayerbook.ca/
click: Local>The West, scroll down to Vancouver
The name on there Norah Johnston is helpfull
She is an artist,her father is a Lawyer
Her husband is a medical practitioner
Tim Vondette, a member of the PBS, is a Barrister & Soliciter
All these people have been helpfull
They were there and I could talk to them
They helped add pieces to the puzzle
At the time when I tangled with Faytene Kryskow it was 2004
That was 4 years from an assault in 2000 causing a cracked skull/bruised brain as I was walking home from the gym
I could’ve died but didn’t
In 2004 possibly showing signs of a medical history vs Faytene Kryskow/Extreme Prophetic Ed Rubuliak/Worship Invasion was more vulnerable.
I think they probably homed in for the kill in the name of Jesus rebuking me along the way.
Probably thinking they are doing this as some victory for the kingdon of god shows me what they have gotten themselves into is sad.