Paul Wilkinson of Thinking Out Loud knew alleged ponzi schemer Gordon Driver of Hamilton. He worked with him and was around when Driver did his brief stint at the Canadian religious show, 100 Huntley Street.
The story mentions that Gord had a previous contact with Crossroads, working as a sound engineer there as a teenager. That’s true. I know that because I was hired as the original sound technician for the 100 Huntley Street telecast, but several days in, Gord turned up around the studio as a volunteer. Then suddenly, after only nine broadcasts, I was called into an office and told that after waiting three months for the program to go to air, I was being bumped to assistant sound engineer. (It was alleged at the time that this followed a large donation to Crossroads by Gord’s mother, but thirty years later, the how or why is not important.) While that alone would have been enough to ruin a friendship — although I did dissolve a business partnership I had with Gord in a record company — we did travel together to California in the late fall of 1979; proving that I was either very forgiving or extremely naive.
That Gord should so handsomely charm the senior management at Crossroads nearly thirty years later is, at the very least, rather ironic.
A commenter under one of the recent 100 Huntley Street and Ron and Reynold Mainse posts, also knew Gordon Driver, only more recently. Tom works in property management and became a victim in his own right when Gordon Driver took off in May (prior to the civil case being filed in the US and prior to The Hamilton Spectator story) when his clients property got messed up.
It is my understanding that the Mainse brothers and Mr David Rutledge are cousins and that Ron Mainse lived in the same neighbourhood as Mr Gordon Driver. I had leased this property to Mr Driver a couple of years ago and he was still there this past January and February but i believe he went back to California for March, April and was back here in May I dropped by the home the other day to see court papers attached to the front door. While speaking to some neighbours I was told there had been a break in and a safe was thrown down the stairs. My client, the owner has been trying to make arrangements to get in the house for insurance purposes with no luck in getting hold of Mr Driver.
Paul wrote a post a few days ago (June 5th, 200) substituting real names: Gordon Driver is Grant, Ron and Reynold Mainse are Jim and Jack, and uses he the terms magic beans for the Axcess Automation software. He knows Gordon Driver, as he points out in his June 10th post quoted above and he seems to know some of the victims in this alleged ponzi scheme. Only it wasn’t once upon a time
The problem was, for a few Sundays, everybody came to church and said, “Where’s Jim and Jack?†Good question. People started making up stories involving Jim and his secretary and rumors that Jack had a drinking problem. That’s what happens when you don’t tell people things. It would have been better just to tell everybody about the magic beans. But sometimes a magic beans story is so stupid that you figure it’s better to let people go with the secretary and the drinking stories. Or you don’t know what to think.
Furthermore, there were already people looking for a different church, because in the 21st Century, church attendance tends to be somewhat personality driven. The problem was, this church needed people to stay, because summer was coming, and we all know what the air-conditioning bill is like in a large church in the summer.
We know from the court documents that 15 US citizens invested with Driver/Axcess Funds, which leaves over 85 Canadians who were scammed, a few who have commented here at BDBO. Two readers identified David Rutledge (Crossroads Director of Ministry Relations named in The Ontario Security Exchange Commission order) as the cousin of Ron and Reynold Mainse.
However, 100 Huntley Street has not said anything about their employee. They have not confirmed or denied the David Rutledge in the OSEC order is their employee/Mainse cousin. The communication coming from the ministry has been poor and the brief board statement is leaving a lot of unanswered questions, angry, bewildered and hurt investors, and publicly quiet and un-curious viewers. (is that a word?)
Looking at Quantcast numbers, Crossroads has about 4200 online visits per month. There has been a bit of an online traffic uptick since The Hamilton Spectator story Driver/Mainse story came out but overall traffic has been steadily decreasing. Alexa has even less about Crossroads Christian Communications other than the drop in traffic noted at Quantcast. BBM, which rates Canadian TV viewership requires a membership so I haven’t been able to find the viewer numbers for 100 Huntley Street or the business spin-off from Crossroads Christian Communications; cable network CITS, better known as CTS.
It’s good to see some background on Gordon Driver for those who have dealt with him in the last few years; scammed investors lose a great deal more than money.
Thanks for linking to my two online pieces.
I really wrestled with this, since there’s been so little media attention; hence the ‘fairy-tale’ version on June 5th. Had my Google blog browser found the piece on June 6th at Religious Right Alert, I wouldn’t have waited until June 10th to post the story outright. I wanted to inform; but not hurt the ministry. But the on-air absence of RM and RM is probably hurting the ministry already. I made a personal decision that accelerating the information process was in everyone’s best interests. Or more accurately, throwing the spotlight on information that had been published — and relatively ignored — what is now 22 days ago.
You really did some homework on this. I chose to go only with the Spectator story, but it is certainly shaping up that there is much more to the story. Never has “To Be Continued…” been so appropriate.
Just to clarify I, no, I don’t actually know anyone who invested in this particular scheme. But I do know people who had dealings with Driver “in a previous lifetime.”
“…Sow a thought, reap an action; sow an action, reap a habit; sow a habit, reap a lifestyle…”
You had really good background Paul, thank you for posting, like you I think silence (other than Jim Cantelon reading the brief board statement) is probably not as helpful as the board planned. I appreciate you filling in some gaps.
The Crossroads board has one job – protect the ministry. All the rest of what is occurring in the US isn’t their responsibility, but I’m saddened viewers and investors have to dig around online to find anything at all. There are several of these orders posted by the OSEC, SEC and CFTC every month.
You’ll notice no one is coming over to our blogs saying that we are hurting the ministry. Like you I’m not out to harm. I’ve been thinking about how easy it is to jump to conclusions – so many televangelists have scammed people, that when a TV ministry has core family members scammed, it’s easy to be cynical instead of skeptical.
People may say the information provided may ‘hurt the ministry’ as events unfold, but right now no one is and I think supporters have a right to know what has happened, and what may happen. As you point out, the the culture of silence that may have worked 30 years ago, doesn’t work well in the 21st century. What may be decisions to ‘protect’ supporters and employees can be misconstrued in a world of instant communication.
As readers come in to confirm David Rutledge is a cousin, I’m puzzled as to why 100 Huntley can’t/won’t say yes or no.
Driver had one Canadian Citibank account, and probably sole access (stuff will come out in the civil case); why a Rutledge is named on the OSEC order could be for a simple reason.
Or not.
The rumours/allegations Gordon Driver’s mom made a substantial donation years ago are sad. If people were chosen for positions by what they or others around them could financially contribute, that doesn’t bode well for any conclusions people may be inclined to jump to now.
Do you know if Mr. Rutledge is still Director of Ministry for Crossroads?
Yeah.
To be continued…
Hey Bene, first off, I’d like to say good job on the postings! Now to contribute my 2 cents worth…
As you’re aware, we receive a number of complaints from individuals who have been abused or victimized by ministers or ministries and we keep these on file for reference or in some instances to create public awareness or hold the ministries directly accountable. Regarding your comment of, “If people were chosen for positions by what they or others around them could financially contribute, that doesn’t bode well for any conclusions people may be inclined to jump to now.”, I have some background information on file from a reliable source concerning CTS and how persons were chosen for positions of management and/or directorship. Sadly, your comment bears more reality than most want to know. Within our information, it is well substantiated that individuals were chosen for leadership positions based either on their contributions or their blood/familial relations.
The Mainse story doesn’t surprise us. It is all too common amongst those in ministry, enticed or driven by greed and prosperity, are never realized until it’s too late. I’ve found you can scream “Fire” as loud and often as possible but until someone gets burnt, nobody believes you and even then, they always seem to feel it’s a surface wound that will heal over time or something a simple bandage will cover up.
On another note, I have contacted some of our media connectinos and am in hopes that there might be some public awareness created here. We hold a great interest in this at our site as 100 Huntley is aired on The Miracle Channel and they just recently received a license to broadcast in Edmonton and Calgary, a decision which was significantly influenced by our intervention against The Miracle Channel.
Keep up the good work.
Just a quick follow-up to my last comment. I searched our site and found a comment from April 2007 from the individual who provided me with the inside information on Crossroads. It’s kind of an ironic read now.
http://www.themiraclechannel.ca/comment.php?mode=view&cid=266
I’m old enough to remember a bit about Freedom Festival and its poor attendance. A lot of promotion on 100 Huntley before hand, as I recall,
As for David Rutledge, his presence seems to be disappearing from the Crossroad web pages.
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=“david rutledge” “Director of Ministry” Crossroads&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Bob, again nice catch.
I posted the response I got from Crossroads about Norm McLaren, he’s gone (re-Tired) and the employee didn’t even spell his name properly.
Bob:
David Rutledge hasn’t worked for 100 Huntley Street for over a year.
I don’t have documentation or first source for this information, it was passed on by a reader.
Out of work, he needed a job and went to work for – Axcess Funds/Axcess Automation.
His boss was Gordon Driver. Rutledge didn’t trade in Canada, didn’t know he needed a licence to handle more than 15 investors.
That is why Rutledge is listed on the OSEC order.
Crossroads Christian Communications is listening to lawyers, most of the Cdn investors come from fromer Canadian pentecostal royalty, Mainse, Rutledge, Stacey, the Crossroads family of media companies.
The information didn’t come from 100 Huntley Street, they are in a scrub webpages, bunker mode. No one bothered to remove David Rutledge’s page, title or provided any information he had moved on.
As far as I know investors have not yet been approached by investigators. We don’t know what action is pending other than the civil case at this time.
Yes, the info on D. Rutledge is accurate. I understand the Ontario investigators have been involved prior to the charges filed in the U.S.
I am quite certain the Maines boys were caught by surprise on this and Rutledge had no knowledge. Perhaps a bit naive on their part, but true!
Other than salaries received from crossroads, I don’t believe donor monies were directly involved.
Many people from various walks of life were scammed in this deal, from family (Maines, Rutledge) to Crossroads employees (present and past) as well as cops (close friends of the crossroads family) and business owners who had great faith in what they were told by the “finders”.
It is very sad to read about people passing judgment without knowing any of the facts. I don’t see the heart of Christ in these statements. Paul W is functioning out hurt from thirty years ago. I tried to contact Paul a few years ago to clear things up and was met with bitterness.
I guess Paul W and many of you are without sin to be casting stones.
Hi Gordon:
It isn’t about what I think.
You’re right, we don’t know all the facts.
As for judgement, that process will be taking place in a US court, not here at BDBO.
By all means say what you’d like to say, the comments are open to you.
Go to Paul directly please, no triangulating, you know how to find him.
You also know many smaller investors have lost their homes, lost everything, many will never recover. They’ve been devestated.
No court procedure, apology, talk of accountability or promise of restitution is going to reverse what they are going through.
What facts do you wish to add?
Hi TT:
Thank you.
If Ron and Reynold Mainse (and any other Crossroad point people) are drawing salaries why can’t Crossroads say yes or no?
Those are donor dollars.
As you point out, there are families involved who have few resources to fall back on, they had more too lose.
I’m reading Doug McKenzie’s statement as OSC investigators still being active, although it is reasonable to assume they have a long list of scammed people to get through – if there actually is a Canadian investigation.
I may be reading Mr. McKenzie incorrectly.
Did he invest?
Two things you may be able to elaborate on:^)
1) Is it appropriate for salaries to be drawn from a charity by niave point people if/while there is an active investigation?
2) What length of time would an investigation take to prove one way or the other ministry money wasn’t taken out, or investments put in to Crossroads?
I would remember any attempt at contact. The only thing I am aware of is somewhere in late 1995, Gord got our e-mail address and attempted to send us a picture. This is 1995, remember. Our baud rate was 1200, we were buying internet time by the hour, there was no e-mail filtering back then, the file was huge, and our ISP wasn’t sophisticated enough to be able to delete it without losing all our other e-mail that was in line behind it. It took just under 90 minutes to download.
I figured whatever version of the internet they were using in California, it was way too much for our lowly rural system to handle, and asked him not to send me anything further. I mean, you don’t hear from someone for 15 years, and then they you send you a massive uncompressed file without any previous contact.
If that’s bitterness about thirty years ago, so be it. I think that’s a bit of a stretch. BTW, to this day, my personal blog doesn’t embed YouTube videos or use Playlist media, because I know too many people in rural areas who are still on dial-up internet. 28K is still normative up here, but that’s assuming the information highway isn’t clogged with rush hour traffic.
So Gord, what’s God been doing in your life lately? What’s He showing you through all this? I am not judgmental of anyone. The wonderful thing about Christ working in peoples’ lives is the ability we all have to change. I have opinions about people, sometimes they’re strong opinions, but they’re written in pencil, not ink; always subject to revision as the evidence requires.
The grace of God can be the most powerful force active in our lives. We learn to be agents of grace. We learn to be recipients of grace.
Bene,
I am not sure i completely understand you question,…..”If Ron and Reynold Mainse (and any other Crossroad point people) are drawing salaries why can’t Crossroads say yes or no?
Those are donor dollars.”
Are you suggesting that Crossroads will not confirm they are drawing salaries? Or suggesting that Crossroads should have the “right” to tell them whether or not they can invest?
I think we have to be careful that we do not infringe on the private personal decisions one can make with their finances. Agrereed, “these are donor funds”, but once released to the hands of an individual for service rendered, it is no longer their responsibility. I don’t think Crossroads board has the right to tell the employees what they may or may not do with their money!
However, they do have an obligation to determine if their employee’s lifestyle is above reproach and the ability for them to make wise, moral and valuable decisions.
What would concern me above all else is my understanding that these finders were quite aware of the gambling practises and abilities of G. Driver to “count cards” in the casinos and even spoke of his success!!!
I have read a few of these postings and the whole thing is just so sad and a poor reflection on the “Christian Community”. As hard as I try I cannot begin to feel the pain of those effected and accused. All we can do is hope that the system of “justice” will prevail and be assured that the “judgement” of the Almighty is inevitable!
Having an association with several of those named and effected by these unfortunate circumstances, I have done much praying and contemplating my own security and what can be learned from this.
I quickly realized that most of the financial disappointments come from the preasure of our society to acheive “Financial Independence”. However, that usually comes at a great COST!
The “cost” is not always financial, but often effect negatively our spiritual life as it weakens our dependence on God.
“Every step I take toward financial independence, is one step farther from God”. That is, if I truly believe he is my “Jehovah Jira” (My Provider). My only guarantee of financial security is “being faithful to my mission and purpose”. God did not put us here to simply “exist”, but he put within each one of us a “designed and carefully calculated PURPOSE”. That “purpose” is what we will be judged on when we stand before Him to give account of our lives.
The ideal of “financial independence” usually detours and distracts us from “God’s purpose” for our lives. We become dissatisfied and greedy for “more” than we are reeping from our “purpose” and we forget that the “purpose” brings ETERNAL rewards, but the “MORE” is only temporary satisfaction and in the end will be reduced to nothing!
I also contemplated how this idea of “financial independence” can cause me to compromise my moral and spiritual values. I believe the Bible is very clear on God’s position against “gambling”. So, I thought about that and wondered, “what is gambling”. “Gambling is to “make an investment with the hope of a satisfactory payback”. “To risk what is secure, at the hope of increased gain”.
Hmmm, where is the defining seperation between the blackjack table, slot machine, poker table and the stock market? There is NONE! We can justify “gambling” with stocks because the “enviroment” seems less harmful and the individuals appear to be “moral”, but it is essentially the same. To give, invest or lend money with no guaranteed structure for repayment is “GAMBLING”!
What I see here and I have seen in myself at times, is the result of being dissatisfied with the returns from my “purpose”. The lack of trust in my “Jehovah Jira” that he will not see “the righteous forsaken or their seed begging for bread”. It is a denial of the very truth preached by many of these involved and my self included that, “He will provide all that I need”, “He is more than enough!” It is NOT our NEED that detours us from our purpose, it is our “GREED”. The necessity to sustain the unnecessary!!!
Finally, I recall a great line from a movie I saw years ago. The film is about a professional baseball player who left the game and when he decided years later to return to baseball his father said, “it is time to do what you were born to do”!
If I can say anything to my dear friends, myself and other I may not know, it would be this. “If you have become distracted and dissatisfied with your “purpose”, your ONLY guarantee of provision is to “do what you were born to do”.
To those involved in this particular struggle, know I am praying for you! Be assured God has not forsaken you and He knows right where you are! And, if nobody else has benefitted from these unfortunate events, “I have”. I have a greater appreciation for what I do have. less focus on what I don’t have and little interest in what I’d like to have!
Pray for me, that I may stay faithful to my “purpose”!
Thank you Bene D and Paul W for confirming my previous comment. Paul, I saw the email that you wrote clearly stating your bitterness. Why don’t you post it for other people to decide? Baud rate has nothing to do with it.
Saying things that are untrue and judgmental, in a public forum, violates God’s Word. That is not the heart of Jesus.
This will be my last comment.
And was it the heart of Jesus at work when you caused all the heartache and pain that is being endured by so many people because of your greed and arrogance? What about the humiliation and pain your family must surely be suffering? Is that the heart of Jesus at work? SEC charges are not brought about lightly, the Hamilton Spectator surely confirmed their information before publishing their story about you. Are you suggesting that you are innocent of all charges against you? If so, please enlighten all of us as to when we can see the lawsuits filed against the aforementioned entities for slander and defamation. I for one will not be holding my breath.
Do we really believe Gord was here writing himself?
Does kinduv sound like him (you?) but that’s still surprising to me…
Odd to me however to be talking about “the heart of Jesus” after what the last few months have turned up. Though I once truly believed it.
If you’re still checking the blog, Gord, and it’s really you, we still have a pic of your family and we still honestly pray for you guys… Mostly the kids.
What a destructive thing this has been…
Not for us so much, we got off easy compared to so many…
To anyone else reading, make sure you say a prayer for the top levels of Crossroads who have been so devastated personally, financially and now ministry-wise as well. I can’t wait for their innocence to be fully revealed.
Can you imagine having your entire life, finances and the ministry your father built from scratch turned completely upside down because you find out one of your best friends, who you trusted implicitly, was bold-faced lying and using you? And used you and your trusted reputation as a weapon to hurt many many others at the same time.
Obviously Gord, if you’re really here reading this, I can’t speak to your intent. Only you and God know that. But intent and “long-con” -or- “getting lost somewhere along the way” – that was the end result and where the road led us all…
Lots of mess.
So regrettable.
Gordon:
Is there some way you and I can verify whether or not you are the Gordon Driver mentioned in the posts?
“Saying things that are untrue and judgmental, in a public forum, violates God’s Word. That is not the heart of Jesus.”
Okay.
Like what?
I don’t know what you think is untrue, judgemental and violates God’s Word and no one reading BDBO will if you don’t clarify.
Your choice.
Bandwidth – go to the globe on the sidebar.
Don’t take my word for it.
The area I live in does not have broadband or 3G.
We’re lucky DSL works most of the time.
Many readers of BDBO use dial up.
That’s reality in regions across Canada and around the world.
Anon:
I am sorry for your losses.
I’ve written the email address Gordon Driver left, traced the IP to the US, which of course is meaningless.
It’s up to him to prove who he is who he says he is.
TT:
“Are you suggesting that Crossroads will not confirm they are drawing salaries? Or suggesting that Crossroads should have the “right†to tell them whether or not they can invest?”
Crossroads has not confirmed if Ron and Reynold Mainse are drawing salaries.
I’m not saying any employer has the right to tell an employee whether or not they can invest.
Bene,
I think we would be very naive to believe Ron as the President of Crossroads and Host of 100 Huntley is not receiving a salary!
My understanding is that Reynold Mainse and David Rutledge have used this “investment in question” to support themselves for nearly 2yrs since neither has a full-time position at Crossroads any longer.
Would it not be to Crossroad’s advantage to make a statement and say “NO” neither of them were drawing salaries?
Their unwillingness to confirm is a big “YES” to me.
TT:
Is, “are Ron and Reynold drawing salaries from Crossroads Christian Communications?” a threatening question?
Let me see if I understand you.
You are saying neither host has been employed full time for Crossroads for two years.
TT, is that on record?
Can you point us to it?
Thanks.
I’ve also written Crossroads and asked.
BD,
I am not sure where you can confirm this if Crossroads will not disclose the info, but I know Mr D Rutledge has not been employed at Crossroads for quite some time. Reynold only hosts periodically and spends most of his time with “missions”.
The “Heaven’s Rehearsal” (http://www.heavensrehearsal.com/en/)
is also Reynold’s production and I understand he funds that all on his own (well, likely with money he was being paid from G Driver)
You asked me, “You are saying neither host has been employed full time for Crossroads for two years”?
No I didn’t say “neither host”! I said, I am quite certain Ron Mainse as host and President of Crossroads would receive a salary, but it is my understanding that Reynold mainse and David Rutledge have NOT been employed by Crossroads for quite some time. Infact, if I remember correctly, Reynold had his own production company producing music programming at Crossroads ( a friend of mine was a cameraman there) and never was employed by crossroads. David Rutledge did something with public relations or something like that but it was a long time ago. If you read the reports online from the ontario securities investigations, you can see that Rutledge has been working on setting up (with Driver) in ontario for awhile now. Reynold was the 1st to make a union with G Driver and that was around 2 yrs ago. So everything points to the fact that they have been living off this “fund” for quite awhile which might explain why there are houses and vehicles being liquidated.
What I find very interesting (and it is confirmed) is that atleast 4 or 5 of the victims (inlcuding the mainse brothers and their cousin david rutledge) are former pastors, currently ordained with the “pentecostal canada assemblies” (or something like that – “poac”) in toronto. I wonder if anyone has spoken to them?
http://www.canadianchristianity.com/nationalupdates/081030heaven.html
According to this article, as of 8 months ago both Reynold and his wife “Kathy” were receiving salaries from Crossroads!
Nice catches TT!
Thanks for the Heaven’s Rehearsal link.
I didn’t know he did event work, but I do know a street event giveaway Reynold was involved in did not go over well with local pastors and churches.
I knew David Rutledge hadn’t been at Crossroads for 2 years, he was director of minister relations which as someone said was a fancy title for smoozing with pastors.
I knew David Rutledge had left to work for Gordon Driver.
But not because Crossroads Christian Communications was forthcoming.
And yes, you are correct, fits the timeline perfectly. I wrote David Rutledge at Crossroads, of course he didn’t respond. Last week his page page taken down. His father is Ralph Rutledge.
http://tiny.cc/Arm30
And from the get go I’ve been posting the OSC order.
http://tiny.cc/KpVMB
As for ordination in The Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada -
David Mainse is PAOC.
Ron Mainse went to Evangel College in the US, majored in Biblical Studies and has a minor in Business Management. Evangel U is Assemblies of God. Why there? The PAOC has 8 schools in Canada.
He is listed on Crossroads as Rev. Ron Mainse.
http://crossroadstv.ca/about/who-we-are/mainse
Nice catch again! Canadian Christianity on Heavens Reheasal:
“Over 1,500 volunteers are involved this year, serving as everything from ushers to choir members. Reynold and Kathy Mainse are themselves “full-time volunteers” with Heaven’s Rehearsal, their salaries being paid by Crossroads Christian Communications.”
Reynold Mainse also attended Evangel and was a minister of a church in Thorold Ontario. Then went on a preaching tour, partly because of his connections I think, and making more of them before becoming Vice President of Missions at Crossroads.
He does his share of Christian tourism like cruises with donors and concerts like Heaven’s Rehearsal and does a few taped mission trips for viewers.
David Shelley is listed in cache as Director of Mission Crossroads Christian Communications.
One of the Mainse brothers wives is mentioned online as a Reverend Ann Mainse.
Don’t know about that – pentecostals are known to title anyone who speaks.
Don’t know if David Rutledge is PAOC.
Guess I’ll write the PAOC.
Question:
Whose houses and cars are being liquidated?
Bene D,
not exactly sure on all the liquidations but something leaked out of Crossroads that the 3 boys have some properties and vehicles up for sale.
Well I was on a trip to Cali with Paul back in the day and Gord and Paul seemed to be friendly enough then (and this was after these things transpired) when Gord had started Exile records. We stayed at Gord’s Sister’s place. She rocked! Actually I still have a pic of us on my fridge. fun times.
Well anyway, Gord, I have known Paul since before the first Stryper EP, and possibley before Exile Records. You guys went your separate ways but I haven’t ever heard him speak evil of you.
Dave
Yeah, well Dave, you can reach Paul by clicking on his name, you’ll end up on his blog.
Gordon has struck a deal with the SEC, it’s in the Hamilton Spec, things change, people change…
People speak highly of Gordon’s sister, and we all have family members who go off the rails.
This goes way beyond money, but I figure you get that.
Ron Mainse went to Evangel College in the US, majored in Biblical Studies and has a minor in Business Management.”
lol
A degree in Biz should tell you a “deal” offering 5% a week return is too good to be true, huh?
And they push the heretical “Message’ bible; and the horrible universalist – all will be saved/no hell – “Shack” heresy as well – NB that 100 Huntley St. had orthodox “Thirteen Heresies In “The Shack†” author, Dr. Michael Youseff, as a guest many times who also headed up the “Truth to Go” segment, so how do you spell “duplicity”?
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ps: They also featured shakipat kundalini simonizing adulterer Todd Bentley on their show, great discernment, guys !
more at http://www.scribd.com/laws632
laws632.wordpress.com/ Todd Bentley Shaktipat Kundalini
So I can go break the law being a securities agent for a finder fee and get busted for fraud – ignorance of the law is no excuse; but: “I did not know” seems to be a valid defence for a Mainse but no one else …..