“GENERALS GATHER FOR A HISTORIC STRIKE AT TheCRY VANCOUVER FOR 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF WOODSTOCK – WITH CANADIAN OIL RAMP UP MEETINGS”
TheCRY VANCOUVER
AUGUST 15, 2009 (all day)
It is not a concert, it is not a conference, it’s a CRY.
A friend with a wicked sense of humour wrote:
Somebody should tell their e-mail intern that “generals” and “[first] strike” is not the best language to use with us Canadians, who can be skittish about such matters at the best of times…:)
The Cry is a neo-charismatic New Apostolic Reformation extension of the US ‘The Call.’ This year Canadian promoters aren’t trying to hide their ties with their polically hyper religious right southern counterpart, they are flaunting their association (couched in lovely religious language) with Lou Engle. No Christian parent in their right mind is going to let their child go to hear militarized theocrats. This is dominionism, hyper-experiential new age goobleygook biblically illiterate, radical manipulation. There is agenda and no amount of softening the message for Canadian ears is going to change hard core reality.
Canadians who have shown themselves to be wolves in sheep’s clothing will make their appearance. They believe they have a divine apostolic right to usher in their version of God’s kingdom. The teaching is extra-biblical and is targeted at young people susceptible to cause and belonging.
I’m glad they are showing their true colours. I’m glad they admit they are revealing their reason for the venue; Vancouver’s turn on the world’s sports page. I want people to see these leaders and this movement for what it is – a counterfeit. I also hope people who understand this sub-culture and it’s dangers will attend and will report.
This is what Sam Reimer in Evangelicals and the continental divide calls ’south up’ influence in evangelicalism. While this growing bubble of apostasy has sent some northerners south such as Patricia King and Todd Bentley, for which I apologize to my US neighbours who have been conned and fleeced, it’s important Canadian pentecostals and charismatics get informed. Engle is not speaking metaphorically. Neither are his Canadian associates.
Update: Canadian Christianity looks at TheCry’s marketing, attendance and political endorsements: Christians debate significance of TheCry
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You are very correct to be concerned about Lou Engle’s group.
Not only do they teach bad theology, their members often say many other churches are “dead” and will be spit out by Jesus when he returns!
Lou Engle’s violent language is scary. I worry his calls for Martyrs and civil war will be answered.
So many of his sermons call for war. He says it’s a spiritual war, but there will be those who take direct action. Preach violence to 10,000 people and some lone crazy will rise up to it.
But, he’s losing members and influence …
Lou Engle was just in Charlotte North Carolina. He wanted to gather a thousand people to encircle a block where a gay pride celebration was happening. He did not get near the thousand people he hoped for (wearing red t-shirts in front of the gays)
Police and media reports say Engle’s “Prayer Warriors” numbered fewer than five hundred (500) – that’s all he got in a very conservative Southern city. His “army” is losing battles even on favorable ground.
but, what do I know? I’m not really a blogger.
Thank you for that, it’s good to hear he drew half the crowd he counted on.
I take it you are referring to the Michael Brown/Engles Charlotte Pride initiative ‘God Has a Better Way.’ The red shirts.
“It stops here.”
Thanks for the link, Bene D. Red shirts? Hasn’t anyone told him about the brown shirts and the black shirts from WWII?
Or maybe he is doing it on purpose.
Engle and King will be holding a “Canadian Oil” conference in the nearby suburb of Coquitlam in the run-up to the Cry and I’ll try to get a ride there to see what is going on.
Don’t they have Canadians who can speak to the ideas that they want to promote?
Todd Bentley’s interns/ministry school graduates used to wear red shirts too.
But, if you remember the original Star Trek, wearing a red shirt is a death sentence there. (“Ensign Redshirt, go look behind that rock.” Aaah! “Oh my goodness, Spock, the evil alien just ate Ensign Redshirt…” )
Rick, that’s a classic on the red-shirts. If Kirk, Spock, Bones and Ramirez beam down, it’s even-money that Ramirez comes back in a body bag-”Ramirez. Come in, Ramirez!”
However, we need some other people beamed-up, the folks who are taking the spiritual warfare metaphor a bit too literally. Most of the folks listening would write it off as hyperbole (having hung out in charismatic circles off-and-on for the last two decades, I would tend to do that), but a few might not and start to head off into some sort of NAR jihad.
It’s worth keeping tabs on, to be sure.
There is a recent article in the BC Christian News about The Cry and the names of the persons in the Bands are there
So, I e-mailed all of them on My Space and encouraged them to read Bene Diction
I think this will stir them all up
Faytene Kryskow of Extreme Prophetic Vancouver, The Cry had a joint service with Worship Invasion moderated by Ed Rubuliak at a Venue at an Abbotsford Church. one of the Pastors is a Rubuliak and another is an Elder Apostle
These felt they had a prophetic vision about me in 2004 stealing a ring off of a woman s finger which I didnt do
They slandered me and didnt apologize
Maybe they got me mixed up with the inident of Sven Robinson who did steal a ring to later go bring it to the Police
They play dirty pool because they were afraid of being found out
They couldve played it cool with me and I wouldve never suspected anything
But because they didnt I got suspicious and researched, found them out to be New Apostolic Revolution
Word like this gets around at the once a month Worship Invasion Venues would threaten their offering pots which they were successfull in protecting
They said, Youre not welcome well phone the Police
They passed this onto Faytene and she said the same thing to me
They dont like being found out but now everybodys finding them out
These people are very aggressive and authorative
John:
Was this the article in BC Christian News?
http://www.canadianchristianity.com/bc/bccn/0809/01games.html
Bene D
Yes, Ad is on
BC Christian News Aug 2009 Volume 29 #8 pg 13:
-Worship will be led by:
-Heather Clark, her band also went to Todd Bentley,Lakeland
-Sandy & Russ Rosen
-Tracy Rahn
I found them all on My Space encouraging them to read Bene Diction
Also advertised on, pg 18 mentioning location and date only
Thanks.
Faytene K was recently part of the Dominion Conference for The Miracle Channel. It was poorly attended.
The MC has been dropped by Shaw in Campbell River effective August 11th.
It will be interesting to see how many show up to Stanley Park.
Bene D
Just went to Google typed “Dominion Conference”
I’ve never heard of any of these persons before but now I know why they call it the “Dominion Conference” is to do with Dominionism and I see with the biographies of the persons the mentioning of the words ‘Apostle’ and ‘Prophet’
What do you think is the reason for the poor attendance?
I see that it took place in Lethbridge, Alberta
I’ll -very carefully- check out the Cry Aug 15 at Lumberman’s Arch to see who and how many attend?
These groups play -dirty pool- the way they slandered me in 04 when they said, ‘you prayed over a woman and took the ring off of her finger’
Now, Faytene Kryskow and Worship Invasion say to me, “We’ll phone the Police!”
That’s just their -dirty pool- way to get rid of persons who check them out and are -on the ball enough- to notice things.
I know I -ate dirt- at the hands of them though.
Sounds like more persons check them out will probably be at Lumbermans Arch.
I don’t know about “dominion”. As students of Canadian history remember, the formal name of Canada is/was “The Dominion of Canada”…based on a verse in Psalms 72, I believe. “He shall have dominion from sea to sea…”
To Canadians of a certain age, who remember the “dominion” government being what we call the the federal government up until the 1960s, a “Dominion meeting” might just imply a national meeting.
But then again, only young fogeys like me would have that be the first definition that comes to mind. But Fayetene, with her knowledge of Canadian history, might like that allusion…
Rick Hiebert
Faytene Kryskow’s book ‘Stand on Guard’ is a bestseller !
She does like history
The ‘Dominion Conference’ is probably about Dominionism and NAR (New Apostolic Revolution) but these groups seem good about not making themselves clear and not wanting others to find out about them and are happy to be seen as non-denominational Evangelical/Conservative Christians.
If people perceive that to mean ‘Dominion’ in the old fashioned sense the group organizers would probably be quite happy
But, in reality, that are of a subculture of an extremist charismatic fringe otherwise called a sect
Dennis Gruending, on his blogs, has well researched the NAR for what it is
My impression of Faytene Kryskow is of a person who is -position, money and success- who will fall over any person who is a means to and end and revolt against anyperson who is not completely convinced of her. She does not take any criticism but she really gives it.
After Ed Rubuliak and his crew from Worship Invasion slandered me in 2004 over the ‘ring’ thing then Faytene homed in for the kill.
Both of them are liars !
These two groups are close allies with their -hit n run- ways.
Rick Hiebert
I typed “Rick Hiebert” on Google and I see you’re a Journalist with a UBC education is quite impressing.
You’ve also just answered my question, ‘Are you going to investigate ‘The Cry’ at Lumbermans Arch on Aug 15/09?’
My guess is, quite likely, ‘Yes!’
Faytene Kryskow used to go to West Point Christian Fellowship on MacDonald & W12th in Kitsilano and lived ***** (edited: BD) before she moved to Ottawa where she did ‘The Cry’ to be observed by Dennis Gruending’ who was told about it by a younger person.
My friend whose husband is a medical practitioner had donated quite a lot of money to Faytene for her ministry, his medical doctor friend referred her to him.
How much, I don’t know, you’re guess is as good as mine?
Both of these persons are members of the same church as me and ‘yes’ I told them all about what happended to me.
And they do not and will not give her any more money.
He recommended the book, ‘The Scapegoat’ by Rene Girard is about the scapegoat mechanism throughout human history; The theme basically goes like this, there is a group with a problem started by them but blames a person not allowed in the group for starting it is ‘The Scapegoat’ and punishes that person is called ‘Scapegoating’ is what happended to me.
My friend had Faytene come to her door as well
The CRY, originally was started in Canada by a PAOC pastor, Steve Osmond. He runs Tehillah Monday and is the Senior Pastor of First Assemblies in Calgary. The first was conducted in 2002. I attended and there was an estimated 10,000 people there. As far as my memory serves me, I don’t believe 4mycanada had been started, didn’t see the folks from House of Prayer or any of those groups now strongly affiliated with The Cry in attendance. If I am correct, and I may not be, I don’t remember seeing Faytene even a part of it. I knew many people involved, and had a small role in it as well. From what I recall, the only “neo-charismatic” moment was when Stacey and Wes Campbell took the stage, and Stacey prophesying with her “hoo-ing” and violent shaking (a normative when she speaks). From what I knew, Mr Osmond didn’t see this as being a yearly event and did not continue them.
In 2006, Faytene picked up the torch, so to speak and to my knowledge, THAT is when many of the other neo-charismatic groups got involved. I attend the next CRY in 2006 with a large group of other young adults who had attended the first. The ‘06 event was very different. The night before, the 4mycanada group held a prayer rally at a church in Ottawa with many native people speaking, which I found interesting. But the native theme became very prevalent with the war themes, chanting, drum playing, talk of ancient spirits and things myself, the group I was with, found very uncomfortable. Steve attended the 2006 event in Ottawa, to “pass off the baton” and from what I have heard, has had very limited involvement with it since. Again, I could be wrong, as I no longer run in the PAOC/Charasmatic circles, so I stand to be corrected.
I saw Faytene speak at the Sarnia Revival a few years back, and she knows her Canadian history very well. What she does present is compelling, in that many of the founders of our country had a vision for this to be a Christian nation. What I am skeptical of, is how much of that political rhetoric is what Jesus would really have his followers concentrate on, since he himself seemed to eschew the political system of his day, with an approach that had very little to do with power, coercion or political might. However misguided these individuals may be, they sincerely feel God is calling Canada back to be a Christian nation, and for whatever reason, they sense that it is through the political arena.
I often wonder what it would look like to have a group of pumped of teenagers and young adults this jazzed up about compassionate outreach and acts of service in Christ’s name. Perhaps there would be no need for government involvement to change the laws of the land, because perhaps the love of Christians would change the hearts of man instead.
Elle Pyke
Faytene Kryskow had written an earlier book called ‘The Maple Leaf’ about history and intercessory prayer
Jonathan Evans from the Salvation Army War College in Vancouver said, ‘She’d do these historical prayer walks that were really good’
Now, is the book ‘Stand on Guard’
So, she’s a history buff has a Bachelor of Arts from SFU and no record of any Systematic Theological training
There is a very good Professor of History from UBC named Jean Barman is with the Vancouver Historical Society and I’ve read three of her books
What I’ve learned from Dennis Gruending is this New Apostolic Revolution (NAR) of which, -I’ve never heard about it until now- is kind of scary.
Mentioning on earlier responses about these groups and how I was treated was alarming
May, 2004, went to Worship Invasion at University Chapel at UBC
Then, in May,2004, went to Fresh Fire(Todd Bentley), Abbotsford Pentecostal Assembly,BC, the prayer ministers would wear nametags.
But, there was this half-black,half -white guy from Worship Invasion who always speaks in tongues and slays people in the spirit doing this at Fresh Fire without a nametag. He ran around so fast that he wasn’t easy to see, either he wasn’t supposed to be doing that or he wasn’t showing his nametag or he lost it. One other security person also did not have a nametag
June, 2004 another Worship Invasion Venue at Peace Portal Alliance in Surrey BC
That is when I saw their bad side was either:
-mistaken identity
-a Prophetic Vision not checked out for authenticity
-dirty pool, hit n run, because I look at things closely, they felt threatened I would find them out to be NAR
One quicky said, “Do you know you are never allowed to attend a Fresh Fire Conference again?”
I said, “Why?”
He said, “Because you -prayed over a woman and took the ring off of her finger”
I was just so shocked, this seemed so -off the rails- and froze.
I did no such thing and my experience at Fresh Fire sure wasn’t like what they made it out to be.
I know I didn’t do it and they have to figure it out on their own but they didn’t.
They broke the Law when they slandered me and did not admit it, no apology, nothing.
This is rude, unethical and bad morals on their part.
By the way, they have never again been allowed to have a Venue event again at Peace Portal Alliance
June 2004 went to Extreme Prophetic Vancouver, run by Faytene Kryskow, at the Cordial Hall on E Pender & Templeton in East Vancouver
Faytene knew all about this because they gossiped their slander onto her.
She said, “John Paysar, I don’t like you, you’re on private property we own the building, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus”
I met with Jonathan Evans from the Salvation Army War College and he said, “The building is owned by Killarney Community Center who rents it to the Salvation Army and we let Faytene use the building, it sounds like she has doctrinal issues, she wronged you, she’ll never be allowed to use the building again, she now lives in Ottawa”
Ellen Pyke
I was standing on a public sidewalk when Faytene said, “You’re standing on private property, we own the building”
The side walk is public
The building is owned by Killarney CC
So, I wonder how much she really knows about History
She tried to shove me down the sidewalk
Brother, can you spare a $60,000?
News for those wanting to see The Cry at home. They need $60,000 dollars now to get on to God TV, according to this note on the site promoting the Canadian Oil conference, which precedes The Cry:
(snip)
” ********* SPECIAL NEED ******** The Cry has an immediate need of $60,000 to cover expenses, including live broadcast by GODTV. You can donate at http://thecry.ca/Giving.html ”
(snip)
Rick Hiebert
If you check out my reply#8 is the article in BC Christian News with the names of the persons in the bands at The Cry at Lumbermans’ Arch.
I typed the 1st name on google and it was on My Space
So, I contacted her and all the others through My Space recommending them to access Bene Diction
Heather Clark is the wife of Nolan Clark, I think he’s talked at Fresh Fire, he’s a pastor and a mixed-martial artist
Ellen Pike
Re: Response #14 Steve Osmond PAOC pastor started The Cry in 2002 with Wes & Stacy Campbell
(A Vineyard Pastor mentioned to me how Wes Campbell feels he’s an Apostle)
A book: Anglican Agenda: Questions about the Holy Spirit? by JI Packer mentions about Dr Packer not approving of such groups as the NAR (New Apostolic Revival) Dr J.I. Packer is a Professor of Systematic Theology from Regent College at UBC, Vancouver, BC
Wes & Stacy Campbell were with Kelowna Christian Fellowship but the congregation was struck with ‘Affinity Fraud’ is a problem now facing churches; Someone comes in with all the right Christian tell tale signs with a ‘Great investment opportunity’ which cost the above congregation around 1 million dollars resulting in Wes & Stacy Campbell being removed from ministry. This is sad for all.
We had persons from some security commision talk at our Synod meeting in North Vancouver for the Anglican New Westminister Diocese about Affinity Fraud the talk was very good.
They mentioned a farmer in abbotsford lost all of his property in an Affinity Fraud scheme gone awry.
Wes & Stacy Campbell are involved with the Salvation Army War College Vancouver as well
On another of Dennis Gruending’s blogs type “Faytene Kryskow” and the Salvation Army one will pop up where he mentions to Jonathan Evans flat out about him being NAR (New Apostolic Revival)
So, getting back to where I started, Steve Osmond not seeing this to be a yearly event in 2002 eventually handed over the torch to Faytene Kryskow; Why’s never any mention of this founder on her blogs just The Call as to where the Cry came from. When she held the torch she reformed the Cry along the lines of the Call but did not recognize and give credit to Steve Osmond as the original founder of the Cry before she reformed it along the lines of the Call
Handing over the torch were the words of David Mainse to Faytene Kryskow when she was on his show promoting the Cry at Lumbermans’ Arch this summer Aug 15
I agree with you that Faytene Kryskow has a good knowledge of Canadian History. The Salvation Army War College said the same thing about her how she’d do her prayer walks throughout the Downtown Eastside
Her book ‘Stand on Guard’ is a bestseller, her previous book ‘The Maple Leaf’ had an article about it in the BC Christian News mentioned some of the historical facts she’d dug up were very interesting and good.
Thank you for that information John – It seems that being a Prophet is not in vogue anymore, now everyone wants to be an Apostle. Wonder who will be the first Pope of the Protestant church?
John P.:
The Clarks can be fairly said to be friends of Todd Bentley’s, until the collapse of Lakeland at least. Heather Clark recently released a CD of music perfomed at Lakeland, which is available from Bentley’s private company. Nolan Clark spoke at the Canada Awake meetings of Bentley’s in Vancouver a few years ago when Bentley–entwined in his first “dark night of the soul”–was unable to participate.
Hi John: I deleted your comment – we’re talking about TheCry, not Roman Catholic or Anglican denoninational issues. Please stick to topic. Thank you – BD
J.P. I could just weep right now – weep at what the church has become seemingly metamorphing into something evil right before my eyes, and weep too because I see the Lord still has a precious remnant who have not bent their knees to Baal, diligently searching the scriptures, on guard and watching, diligently seeking Him.
Hi Therese: I’ve edited your comment. Thank you for your compassion toward others, please stick to topic. Thank you – BD
I think these kind of events typically aim for and attract younger believers with all the hype and rock music…without the word and the cross, there is absolutely nothing to help anyone mature in the Lord, and these young people are sitting ducks for deception and evil spirits. What will things be like only a few years from now if this continues?? I am truly wondering how much more evil the Lord will permit in His house – he has already shown me that judgment is falling on the young once again on the threshold of his coming a second time.
“A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more.” Matthew 2:18
Therese
It’s taking advantage of young people and the leaders are serving position, money and success.
The young people are nieve and that’s the way the leaders want it!
Here, I came into the picture in 2004 at Worship Invasion under Ed & Wendy Rubuliak, then Fresh Fire under Todd Bentley and Extreme Prophetic under Faytene Kryskow and they didn’t like someone like me around.
I don’t think the Cry will last much longer.
The Lumbermans’ Arch on Aug 15/09 verses the internet, as we see right now, will result in quite a lively dialogue and debate between -the mature in the Lord- verses the young believers and their leaders.
For the young people at the Cry:
2 Tim 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
That Rock Music at the Cry is not music
That dancing at the Cry is not dancing
When all of this is going on, there’s no way that can think, focus and study.
This is nothing but a feel good, co-dependant environment
The events that have happened to me and probably others too is now not suprising to me given the dynamics who these people run around with.
They are a subculture of an extremist charismatic fringes are also referred to as sects but could be referred to as cults
They are New Apostolic Revolution (NAR) and believe that they are of Apostles and Prophets on the earth today to reocupy the long vacant offices of the Apostles and Prophets on earth
So, they’ll want to draw persons in right away but if one is not 100% convinced about them right away, they’ll want to get the persons out just as fast as how they got them in.
That’s what happened to me in 2004:
-Worship Invasion, Ed & Wendy Rubuliak, when they said, “Do you know you are never allowed to go to a Fresh Fire Conference because you (Prayed over a woman and took the ring off of her finger) ?”.
This happended at Peace Portal Alliance in Surrey where WI was having a venue event. They’ve never had them back since.
-I’d just come from a Todd Bentley Fresh Fire Conference at Abbotsford Pentecostal Assembly and it was ok; But this half black, half white guy from Worship Invasion was up there running around laying hands on persons without a Fresh Fire name tag.
So, no, I did no such thing and for them to say I did is slander. They might’ve had a prophetic vision that did not get checked out to find it wasn’t. Or, they might’ve gotten nervous over the way I check things closely and gotten afraid I’d find them out. Well, after how I was treated, that’s exactly what I did and I did find them out. If, on the other hand, they’d been really nice to me, I might’ve never further investigated and might’v been more sympathetic towards them.
To add insult to injury, Worship Invasion spread this misinformation to Faytene Kryskow at Extreme Prophetic Vancouver. She saw me said, “John Paysar, I don’t like you, you’re on private property, if you don’t leave, we’ll phone the Police, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus”.
This happened at Cordial Hall on Pender and Templeton in East Vancouver. The building is owned by Killarney Community Center, who rented it to the Salvation Army War College, who let Extreme Prophetic use the space. On top of all that, I was standing on a public sidewalk at the time Faytene Kryskow was berating me, calling the public sidewalk, “Private Property”.
If I had done the same thing to her, a woman, I would be charged.
I spoke to someone from the Salvation Army War College and one person said, “She now lives in Ottawa, she wronged you, it sounds like she has doctrinal issues, she will never be allowed to use the Salvation Army War College facilities again”.
Matt 18: 15-17 is about being trespassed against and telling the fault between the two, if not heard, take two or more, if not heard tell it unto the church, if not heard treat as an heathen and a publican.
There was no communication in this and any way to begin with and no idea at the time how to contact them again.
I’d managed to phone the Rubuliaks after no responsed from the e-mails I’d given them with Wendy Rubuliak answering said, “He, (Ed Rubuliak), made a call, we all do that”.
That was no call that he did, she just lied when she said that. That was a very bad judgement call.
On another Bene Diction Blog by typing “Faytene Kryskow”
Faytene said, “I don’t remember this and am too busy for these petty skirmishes”
That is also a lie.
After something going this far is 1 Tim 5: 19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
There is also Psalm 139: 23-4, Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts: And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.
While there are a lot of walkaways from NAR John, many have lost trust, lost faith.
Some are speaking up and I applaud walkaways for doing so.
Yes, NAR is being watched, talked about – it’s important people have an understanding of what adherents and leaders believe and what leadership will do to achieve their goals.
So many people have been harmed, duped, abused, and lost years of their lives following false teaching and teachers. You are a walking testament to freedom from neo-charismatic extra-biblical teaching.
Fortunately, I’d just come across NAR in 2004 without ever hearing about it before.
It was only around a month’s time in May/Junethat I’d gone to Worship Invasion, Fresh fire, then Worship Invasion again, then Extreme Phrophetic.
At first, they give off the impression to me of being really high performance, really alive but at the same time, revealed some bad internal problems is both sad and dangerous.
They drive people away.
The ‘Walkaways’ seem more to me like ‘Drivenaways’ driven away by the groups they went to, the groups that run the show.
That is sad.
Better Buisiness Bureau cannot go into these places because they are Religious Organizations and not businesses.
If they’re a non-denominational sect with not much or no upper government but some ‘mom & pops’ set up, the attendees are sitting ducks.
So the Walkaways/Drivenaways probably go into some sort of distrust/withdrawal mode where they wouldn’t, don’t and if very young and vulnerable, like it seems, are quite a lot of the persons frequenting such places, wouldn’t have the awareness of such blogs as these could be places that would go over their heads.
I’d like to somehow hear more of such persons to speak up and show themselves on blogs like these.
Perhaps, some might feel guilty that they’re doing something wrong by confessing as to what’s happended to them whilst at such places
These Subculture/Cult followings outwardly look quite contemporary but on the insides are very strange and bizarre
The important people watching and talking about having an understanding of what adherents and leaders believe
The leaders do not like died in the wool people like me who come from Old-Line Churches like the Anglican Church because we, in their eyes have too much baggage and are steeped in beliefs, in other words, no room for them to put their beliefs in.
The leaders are controll freaks who really know how to play the system and play lots of head games from manipulation to talking down and controlling by talking fast and moving fast, some know teach mixed-martial arts.
They would rather go for very young vulnerable persons with little to no church affiliation that have lots of room for them to put their beliefs into who are from sheltered, insular, well off families, have spending money, not from tough back grounds, who don’t know how to defend themselves.
The young are easy prey for their trendy contemporary junk food Neo-Charismatic Extra-Biblical Teachings
It must be very hurtful to be accused of something you didn’t do, John P., but it’s so typical to divert attention away from the real issues – I think you’re very courageous to keep hammering away in face of it. This whole cult thing I find ‘interesting’ because I saw something similar take hold around the time I left the Toronto Airport church about 2000, where I had attended since about 1996-97. I’m beginning to clue in that it seems to be a common theme with these neo-charismatic groups.
Therese
But the advantage of this to me is that I got to see very early on what makes these groups tick
A Medical Practitioner at my Church recommended the book:
‘The Scapegoat’ by Rene Girard
Is about the scapegoat mechanism throughout human history.
A problem will start within a group
It is up to the group to solve it
If it can’t, it can take someone in who is a mentor figure
But they don’t
There was also a person who was not allowed in the group
The blame for the problem was put upon that person who neither knew much about the group let alone their problems and its’ origins.
The person the blame is put upon is the Scapegoat
That type of treatment is called Scapegoatism
J.P. – Yes, I attended there for a few years. At first there was a tangible presence, which I took to be the Lord, and still tend to believe it was based on the fact that this presence eventually left the church after they began to idolize “renewal” and put it on a pedestal. I began to notice after a while that I was hungry for the word of God – it seemed there was so much preaching on “renewal” and justifying what was going on there that there was very little preaching of the word, except from some visiting ministries.
I didn’t have much understanding back then and wasn’t sure enough of what I was discerning to be able to really express my concerns. Around the last year or two of my being there, there began to be an emphasis on home cell groups, the leadership wanted the church to transition to this new “model”, which followed the model of another ministry (can’t remember the name, sorry) and made it known they expected every member to belong to a cell group – I tried out a few but never felt the Lord was leading me to one, so I just didn’t go.
Around that time I felt that I was “cut off” from TACF, I can only describe it like feeling like a lifeboat cut adrift from a ship – in retrospect now I believe it may have been the Lord separating me from them. Anyhow, in talking to some people there about how the Lord was not leading me to join a home group, I noticed that the people seemed to be literally deaf to my words and just kept urging me to join their group. I believe I recognized that as a cult “spirit” – and also someone there who had previously rather nastily rejected me for some unknown reason after a period of what I thought was friendship, suddenly was asking me to join the group she and her husband were hosting at their home. There seemed to me also to be an atmosphere of “spiritual social climbing” going on. The worship music had become very lifeless and “hypnotic” as someone else accurately put it, it had become difficult to worship because the Holy Spirit was no longer there and I no longer had the freedom I had before.
They began to emphasize “soaking” and even began promoting and selling “soaking kits”, which I actually assumed at the time was to make up for diminishing donations, as the number of attendees was falling. Even after feeling “cut off” I still hung around for a while and attended services occasionally, still hoping things might turn around. I have never been able to find another church since then that I’ve felt God calling me to, except for a short stint at one church that I’ve commented about on this blog (false prophecy, marketing products on the side). The Lord really began opening my eyes 2 or 3 years ago while I was attending that last church, and especially even more the last couple of years since I stopped going there, I feel He has really restored me to the true gospel and opened the scriptures up to me like never before, and I’ve been a believer since ‘87!
I really believe the Lord is calling His people to come out from among them, to “come out of Babylon”, the fleshly apostate church, which is an end time call, but also I believe a call for any time in church history.
Therese
Worship Invasion will be at the Cry at Lumbermans’ Arch
The Moderator is Ed Rubuliak and he’s really crazy
All hyped and psyched up, he’s an obnoxious controll freak
I’m not suprised they will be there
The Cry & Worship Invasion are like two peas in a pod
They really go for younger people
Not much is said at their talks just a lot of outloud music and dancing
The music is so loud at all of these Venue events that the persons who go have a hard time connecting with each other
Do you live in or near Vancouver?
If so, you should investigate and observe but be very discreet
I’d usually stay at the back, off to the side or only close enough so I could see them and they can’t see me
There will be persons there too who’d attended Todd Bentley Fresh Fire
No, I live in the Toronto area. Todd Bentley came to TACF a few times when I was still going there, but for some reason I never felt drawn to his ministry, even though I didn’t know which end was up back then. So the word of God is given short shrift there too, eh? Another common denominator in addition to the cult thing. Truth is thrown to the ground. I’m wondering if the 2 Thess. 2:11 verse, “For this reason (loving not the truth) God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie…”, is talking about this very same cult spirit. “Powerful delusion” seems to be talking about something beyond doctrinal error.
It was eerie when I saw it at TACF – zombie-like inappropriate smile, speaking their mantra – reminds me of the movie, I think it was called the Bedford Wives or something like that, where all the women were turned into soul-less robots. I haven’t been there in ages, so I don’t know what’s happening there lately – I understand they stopped making cell groups ‘mandatory’ so maybe it’s a little better. Well, it all seems to be getting more evil overall, either that or I’m just seeing it more clearly lately by the grace of God.
Thesese
Do you know any others who would like to share their experiences on this blog?
Personally, I do not
But, I noticed that with all the loud music, etc, persons don’t really talk, communicate and connect with each other in those environments
That could be due to the mood set by the organizers
But, out there are probably those who would eventually show themselves on places like these blogs
J.P. – No, I don’t know of anyone, wish I did. There was one friend I spent some time with when I left TACF, she wasn’t happy with some of the things going on there, but I don’t think she came to understand the big picture because she went back.
The atmosphere you speak of sounds like a rock concert, where the people on the stage are “it” and the rest are their idol-worshipers. It’s all about the people on the stage and the sheep are there to serve their purposes.
Therese: Your comment has been edited – stick to topic and to the conversation you are having with others. Thanks – BD
I am don’t want to do a hit and run comment on this topic, that seems to continue to foster discussion. I took a look at another posting Bene had on Faytene and it seems she apologized about 3 or 4 times for the incident that happened with John. She even asked to go out for coffee and sort it out. I am not a supporter of some of the things that go on with that group, but, for what it is worth, it appears that she at least tried to rectify the situation.
As a Christ-follower, even if we deem people’s theology dangerous, even if we disagree on their methods, or even if we have been hurt, we are still called to walk in love. This is easier said than done, but it is still a truth that Jesus teaches us.
I feel terrible for what you experienced John, but I would hate to see an incident like this, after all these years, still cause you hurt and pain. I think it is a huge blessing that you were able to leave and maybe this whole topic has come back up for you to make sure you have truly forgiven what happened in your heart, and walk in that restoration and healing that only Christ can bring.
Ellen Pyke
Faytene Kryskow said to me we own a building they don’t own and called a public sidewalk private property, tried to shove me down the sidewalk after Worship Invasion gossiped the slander to her I prayed over a woman and took the ring off of her finger at Fresh Fire, Abbotsford which I didn’t do. Both groups could’ve had the commitment and ownership to resolve the situation on the spot but didn’t want to.
It was either a case of mistaken identity or not a checked out vision.
Or they became nervous of my usual way of looking at things closely felt checked out and made this up to get rid of me.
She mentioned some apologetic words and phrases but can’t remember the incident
Is she really apologizing, can she really not remember?
These Blogs were set up to investigate and bring this situation into the open with the help of Dennis Gruending and others, like myself commenting on this blog.
Dennis Gruending & Lieghton Tebay mentioned about:
-with the crowd she runs around with is not suprised what happened to me and others
-The NAR New Apostolic Revolution, Dominionism and or Apostolic Prophetic Movement
-The authoritarian dynamics of Dominionism
-Many have been with these groups for years and been badly hurt
-her hit n run attitude but not just her
-not buying she just happended to come across this blog but sorry it went over her head
I’d e-mailed Bene Diction to the Salvation Army War College is how she found out
-her Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove, smiles and nice words
-her calling this a Petty Skirmish and I can”t even remember but oh well anyways I’m sorry
-this is beyond a petty skirmish and there have been others
-about her having doctrinal issues is an understatement
-going for the young,vulnerable and convinced but rejecting them if they are not convinced
-This has gone beyond Matt 18 to 1 Tim 5 about rebuking elders
-I’d only been to 1 Worship Invasion, 3-4 days of Fresh Fire Abbotsford, 1 Worship Invasion, 1 Extreme Prophetic is about a 1 month period but couldn’t believe what I saw.
-I go to a lot of Lectures and Documentaries, etc and things usually go well
It’s very strange, when an ordinary sheep expresses a problem with a shepherd, how the ordinary sheep’s issues suddenly become so much more important than those of the shepherd who is potentially leading many, many sheep astray to their spiritual demise. How could one little sheep in no danger suddenly become so much more important than whole flocks in great danger? Every single time.
I thought that the reason J.P. mentions this incident was in order to warn people about the true character of a wolf in sheep’s clothing, of course I could be wrong, but hey, what about that wolf anyhow??
Well Therese, Jesus did speak about the Shepard leaving the whole flock for just the one. I think each sheep is infinitely precious to God, and that He is concerned with every single one. The sheep’s issues don’t become bigger than the wolves. They are each equally important. Especially if that sheep needs some healing from a bad wolf attack. I believe everyone’s issues and situations are real and important to God.
I think that JP did a great job of sharing his concerns and warning others. I appreciate him sharing what happened, and telling others to be discerning. I have had many dealings, many, many, many with this group and have warned others as well about what I have experienced. I also use to attend TACF. I am well versed with many of the people who are apart of this movement.
My comment wasn’t to hush JP, it was to share that Faytene did indeed apologize. I believe it isn’t our job to judge the hearts of men or women, so her motives are not left for us to dicpher. My point really wasn’t about Faytene, as much as it was directed to JP and hoping that his heart was healed from what happened.
In my opinion. the beautiful and precious sheep can share as often as they need to, to as many people as they need to, but the sheep are also held responsible for how they react, even to the bad things that may happen to them. Sheep also need to forgive.
Wasn’t it Jesus himself who said “Father forgive them?” If JP feels the need to write over and over again what happened, in detail, that is 100% up to him. But in my opinion Bene’s blog doesn’t just exist to bring wolves into the light, it also to seek restoration and healing for those sheep who have been hurt. And, in my humble opinion, forgiveness is an important part of that healing.
I am not interested in telling anyone what to do, or start a back and forth debate. If the people here conversing feel that Faytene should still be talked about regarding this particular incident, it isn’t my blog to tell them not to. My comment wasn’t to stop shedding light on false gospels, it was to comment that even those we deem as “wolves” or as Jesus put it “enemies” that we still called to love them, with word and deed.
This may be hard to do when people have hurt us, or when those same people are pontentially hurting others. Love is a higher law, and I sincerly believe that is what God calls us to. Love can still call people to the carpet for their actions, or call out when others are being hurt. But it is always to be done in a loving and gentle way and forgiveness always needs to be given.
At least that is what I get from the Gospels that I read.
And JP, my name is not Ellen Pyke, but I will assume you were writing in response to E. So I took that to be me
I think you are all missing the point. What if God shows up and people start to get saved, healed, changed, delivered? Changing their lives for the better. Coming back to Christ. I fear you are making this far too complex and that you should all go there tomorrow and ‘check it out’. If more people took a stand for Christ, no matter how it looked, there would be more Christians in Canada, more of the gifts of the Holy Spirit manifest on earth and less evil. Simple but true. Read the bible. It’s a good guideline for life!
I work with people who were former murders, drug addicts, pros, street people and business people and politicians alike. We all need Christ. I see miracles in their lives daily. This is where Jesus walked. Do you minister to anyone and everyone?
Get real. Get simple. Do what you should to help people and watch God save lives. Literally.
This may seem militant to some, but it’s getting your attention, isn’t it?
We don’t always agree with the vehicle God uses to get his word across. But what if lives are changed? Praise God from whom ALL blessings flow.
Hi Therese – Got off topic there, comment deleted – BD
Hi Josie:
“If more people took a stand for Christ, no matter how it looked, there would be more Christians in Canada, more of the gifts of the Holy Spirit manifest on earth and less evil. Simple but true.”
Agreed, that’s not the problem. The Spirit will move as He wills.
It is also evil to teach another gospel, to add to the book, to deceive, snare; to take away from God molding us into the image and likeness of His Son.
“This may seem militant to some, but it’s getting your attention, isn’t it?”
Yes, it is. NAR has received world-wide attention from Christians.
Extra-biblical heresy get’s a lot of people’s attention, thank God. This isn’t about militancy, it is about deviation from God’s word and from the person of Jesus Christ. It is about causing little ones to stumble, it is about what Jesus says is the kingdom of God, it is as pointed out above, fruit.
“We don’t always agree with the vehicle God uses to get his word across. But what if lives are changed?”
Indeed we don’t, and it is foolish and vain to expect otherwise.
However, I think you are missing the point.
To twist scripture, to lie, to deceive, to entrap, to preach anything other than Christ crucified, dead, buried and risen is to be called out.
Ellen Pyke
I don’t feel Faytene Kryskow’s apology is genuine
She has a way with sweet smiles, words and an iron fist in a velvet glove
Her apology is her velvet glove but under that is the iron fist
She wants one to think she’s nice but she’s not nice
I’m under the impression now she’s done this to a number of mainly young and vulnerable persons at different Venue events, at various locations not connected to each other with no consequences, The Better Business Bureau cannot go into religious groups, until now and it is about time this should stop. This is not a personal shut on shut off thing with her.
I feel she willingly does not want to remember what she did in order to keep her image clean and to heck with anybody else’s
These grooups seems to be quite protective of and unwilling to admit they’re NAR (New Aplostolic Revolution) would blow their Evangelical non-denominational image to smitherines resulting in not being allowed to Venue affecting the offering pots
Before the responses Polycarp: Lou Engle urges Americans to invade Canada for God is not at all impressed with the theology of these groups
On the other Blog ‘Credit where Credit is Due’ it seemed that Dennis Gruending and Leighton Tebay weren’t too impressed with her way with words either.
They also quite well analysed the authoritarianism of Dominionism and New Apostolic Revolution
These groups are a subculture of an extremist charismatic fringe and or sect to begin with, add on Apostolic Prophetic Movement, New Apostolic Revolution, Extra-Biblical, their Theology and how they admit it.
With the above mentioned by me, Polycarp, Credit Where Credit is Due, I don’t think myself or anybody could trust or believe what they say is true.
I think, the fact seems to be, these groups like to hide their true beliefs and these blogs bring their beliefs into the open help to hone more persons’ discernments
E Res#42 “And JP my name is not Ellen Pyke”
The 1st time I clicked it read Elle Pyke which I typed then later made a typo Ellen Pyke, sorry, thank you for bringing it to my attention.
This CRY event is nothing more than a whole lot of deception. How can they call down a blessing from God on this nation and it’s leaders who won’t even entertain the issue of the multiple thousands of aborted preborn infants.
How can they think that they even have a hearing with Our Father when they don’t first call for personal repentance? Where was the Cross of Jesus Christ….His blood shed for our sin…???
I just watched most of the “show” on God TV (for free!!!)
Looks like a paltry turnout of a max. 200 people (and I’m being generous here).
If people are obedient to Christ’s commission of preaching the gospel to all creation we will see a revival. I don’t see that here.
And, I know a couple of people who attended, who have criticized me for doing exactly that, seeking the lost so God can save them. This event is all about worshiping their faith…not God!
Preach the gospel…God WILL save them!
And what is with all the “gum chewing” on stage. How tacky is that?
Kat:
The turnout was low, the GodTV cameras kept it tight, but if you said 1500 max during a peak time, you’d be generous – according to someone else who attended.
Far cry from the minimum expectation of 5 thousand in the pre event press release carried by Charisma mag, Christianity.ca and David Virtue.
I’m shocked that there was a possible 1500 people there. I watched several hours of it, and it never looked like more than 200.
I went to The Cry admittedly suspicious, but was pleasantly surprised. There looked to be 1500-2000 attendees at peak (but people came and went as the day progressed), and the vast majority of the time was spent addressing issues of social justice. There were a few MP’s speaking about human trafficking, child abuse, late-term (and other) abortion; all things the church should be compelled to pray for. Take or leave Kryskow, Engle, etc., I think the day was effective in raising awareness for these important issues in spite of any of their shortcomings.
I would be blessed to see the church in Canada rise up to pray for each other, instead of mudslinging.
The way to evoke social change is to preach the TRUE Gospel of repentance and faith. When God saves people, He changes them. THAT is when we will see revival and THAT is when we will see change. THAT is when we will see politicians work for the changes that God wants.
Preach the gospel people! Do whatever you can to get the Word of God out there. If that means standing on a street corner on a box, do it! Get equipped. Be prepared to defend the faith at all costs. The power to save is not in US, it is in God’s Word!!! Preach it…He will do the rest!
First, I prayed while at the Central Public Library “that God would put his full armour on me and direct me as i go to the Cry at Lumbermen’s Arch”.
Around 4:30pm, or so, I felt it was a good time to go.
No 5 Robson Buses coming along, walked to Pender caught a 19 Stanley Park too me right to Lumbermen’s Arch was perfect.
Walking towards Lumberman’s Arch seeing two persons walking away, I asked them, “how many persons were there”?
One said, “I don’t know, I guess 800″.
I went to the Cry at 5:10pm
At first, I thought around 200 persons or so
I stood around 10 feet away, at the side and back, that way, I could see them, they would be less likely to see me.
I didn’t want to raise any suspicions from any persons in the crowd that I was checking them out and might find something they’re trying to hide.
But, then, I counted every person from the front of the stage to the very end and I counted around 65-70 or so, that was the length.
Then, as I walked across the back of the crowd, I counted the width, saw around 20-25 or so.
65 times 20 = 1,300
or
70 times 20 = 1,400
or
70 times 25 = 1,750
So, it could’ve been around 1,300 to 1,750 or so.
There were persons of all ages, a number of older persons, 50 .
Quite a number had portable lawn chairs they were sitting on.
I saw no signs of any ‘Joel’s Army’ running around laying hands on anybody.
I saw no signs of anybody from ‘Worship Invasion’ either.
Other persons I asked said, “people have been coming and going during the day”
I felt something strange about the atmosphere.
I’d felt that before at Worship Invasion, Fresh Fire and Extreme Prophetic.
The atmosphere felt alive and high spirited but seemed -too clear- like something was missing was not the same as my home church.
It seemed, like they’d opened themselves up to something that may not be the best.
I was glad and quite content to be standing around the outside of where the main group was standing.
I met one nice person from my church, then another very nice couple I know from my church.
Then, two very nice younger guys from the Caanan Church on Fraser & E47th, they were both from Taiwan. One of them said, “The speakers sound more political than religious”, they said, “It looks like over 1000 person but there is something different about the atmosphere”.
Then, as I was walking away, I sat at this bench beside this nicest older couple from Australia and they were very nice.
There was a large Television Screen enabling me too see the speakers from where I was.
Okay, one person said, “The Olympics are being held in Vancouver in 2010, Olympics originated in Greece, in Greece there was homosexuality and idolatry, there is going to be a -’Spirit of Greece’-coming into the City of Vancouver, I pray God that no Spirit of Greece comes into the City of Vancouver”!
There was quite a mood, an atmosphere, somewhat loud and aggressive.
Then Faytene Kryskow said, “Vancouver we -snatch you for the Lord our God, seal this time the City of Vancouver, Amen”
The prayer did not start with Father and did not end in Jesus name or the cross.
Faytene Kryskow spoke again,”Raising up a new Generation Commission:
-Lou Engle
-Dave Damien
-Stacy Campbell
reverse the curse of rebellion, 5 gifts to 5 spiritual fathers
1 Kenny Blacksmith 1st people’s covenant 4 days prayer/fasting a painting of James
2 Arnie Bryant and Apostle of prayer 88 yrs old, a pen
3 Stacy Campbell, wife of Wes Campbell, an Apostle
Steve Osmond, founders of The Cry Canada, painting, Flag, 2 people in Rod Bruchard’s office
4 David Damien, Watchmen for the Nations, a plaque with a clock in it with a saying on it ‘Time for a time in Canada’
5 Lou Engle, 28 years married, Tree of Life with leaves of healing painting.
I wish I could find a man that would be married to me that long !”
Then Faytene sais, “Heb 12:1 You will have dominions from sea to sea, we will be the answer to, We will be the new Jesus movement dealing with rebels in the marketplace today”
This 91 year old man who founded Prayer Canada in 1977 has a mailing list of 5,000 said of Faytene Kryskow, “She’s a commando”
David Damien said of Faytene Kryskow, “Honour Commission Faytene Kryskow is the daughter of the Lord, Lord give her 100 fold of what she’s given”
They mentioned the Cry will be on God TV on Sunday.
By this time it was around 7:10pm, things wrapping up, I followed the nice older couple from Australia to the bus and we continued to have a nice conversation.
Thank you John especially for the head count and demographics.
Thanks for going to see for yourself and for telling us.
John P. – You were talking about their cultishness a little while back and this whole conversation has helped something to dawn on me about that whole cult thing, and it was becoming more clear as I was writing to a friend in Israel:
“The whole neo-charismatic movement, from TACF, Kansas city prophets, NAR, Dominionism, Todd Bentley and friends, all make idols of the things of God (to benefit self), instead of worshiping the Lord himself. It seems to be getting more evil and it looks to me like one huge manifestation of Jezebel. This movement has morphed into cultism (I saw that cult spirit at TACF too by the time I left) – I wonder if that is the “powerful delusion” the Lord said He would send. But the Lord is fighting against her – in the world this spirit manifests as the antichrist/humanism ruling and controlling, with everyone tripping over themselves fawning over it – that’s what it feels like, the whole world is turning into one giant humanistic cult. But praise the Lord nothing can stand against Him, and He will overcome!! Praise God for His light that annihilates darkness! Shine on Jesus!”
What do you think of that? The false church – morphing into a Jezebelic cult – with all the manifestations of control, subtle intimidation, manipulation, idolatry, spiritual compromise – Jesus is only peaceful and loving, no judgment, no fear of God, the Father loves you, la, la, la. The world – a cult – peace and love and tolerance for everything and everybody, tiptoe through the tulips, toss flower petals around – ready to give their lives over to a stern-faced ruler who also floats on air and tosses flower petals around…at first, until the control and intimidation stops being subtle and manifests its true nature – violence and murder. “Powerful delusion” = cult?
What channel is God TV?
Can one view it on-line?
I’ve tried and can’t find
Live in Vancouver, B.C.
I have Cable up to around Channel 29 or so
Thankfully we don’t have GodTV in Canada.
If you go online to watch it, use a throwaway email addy.
Hey All,
First off: God bless each of you who has been blogging. 60 posts! Impressive.
Since you have posted your opinions in a public manner here I opted to pop in and clarify a few facts publicly as well.
Bene – I so appreciate your heart for truth and accuracy and so my hope is that you will appreciate a couple fact checks I am bringing.
As a matter of fact you all seem to have very sincere hearts (or at least I am choosing to give you the benefit of the doubt on that). Thank you for your desire for truth and integrity. It is mine as well. As long as we all desire truth and operate in love (Eph 4:15), we will do well.
I did want to let you know one thing up front however. Prior to your blog I had never heard of NAR or Dominionism. I am not a part of NAR. I do not know what Dominionism is. However, seems I better find out (LOL!) seeing as you are pretty convinced I am. I’m not affiliated with whatever NAR is though. Just thought you might want to know that fact (which it is).
JOHN –
First off I want to say that the offer to go for coffee still stands – and is extended to any one of you on this blog (in accordance to Mt. 18 that exhorts us to meet face to face if we are offended with a brother (sister)). Any of you can feel free to contact me any time at admin@faytene.ca. This also goes for any of you reading this blog that may have questions for us. We are an open book!
John, I honestly do not remember the incident you keep referencing (which is strange because I don’t know how I would be able to forget such an incident) but I the fact that you are still speaking of it (5 years later?) shows me that you are hurt. I would love to be able to connect with you face to face (with a male pastor present) to talk and pray together so that we can come to Christian unity that would please the heart of God. Let me know. The offer stands and my heart towards you is one of reconciliation and love.
I would also love to chat with any witnesses to this ‘incident’ that I do not remember…this might help me to understand a bit better. So let me know if you have a witness.
I was glad to hear that you came to TheCRY! You said in one of your posts, “…I stood around 10 feet away, at the side and back, that way, I could see them, they would be less likely to see me.”
I am really sad to hear that you did not come up to say hello. I would of gladly shook your hand and talked with you and answered any questions you had. Seriously.
A little story….
I remember I used to be a little skeptical of Prime Minister Harper (a couple years ago). The media and bloggers were painting him as being a high control freak and cold hearted and I did not know what to think. Around the same time I had the opportunity to meet him. When I shook his hand and looked into his eyes I was shocked by his love and gentleness – it was totally different than how the media was painting him. I walked away from that and said to someone, “Wow, if everyone in the nation could just shake that man’s hand and look in his eyes there would be a very different public opinion of him!”
I am not saying Harper is perfect. I am just saying that the media and bloggers were painting him with a brush that was harsh and not accurate….when I saw him face to face it was clear.
Some times, that is what we need to do — take the time to look in someone’s eyes and hear their heart. I hope we get to do that one day John. I think we both may be pleasantly surprised…at least I hope so ☺.
Onward.
Here are a couple little fact checks for you….
JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“Then Faytene sais, ‘Heb 12:1 You will have dominions from sea to sea, we will be the answer to, We will be the new Jesus movement dealing with rebels in the marketplace today’.”
FACT CORRECTION – I wanted to point out that Heb. 12:1 is a totally different scripture. The one you are quoting here is Ps. 72:8.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…[Faytene said], I wish I could find a man that would be married to me that long!”
FACT CORRECTION – This is a misquote. I said, “I would love to marry a man that would spend his 28th anniversary at a prayer meeting [as Lou and Terese did]!” …. And that is true.
Every Christian woman should desire a man of prayer for her husband!
I have had a few proposals – but none that have won my heart.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“….David Damien, Watchmen for the Nations, a plaque with a clock in it with a saying on it ‘Time for a time in Canada’”
FACT CORRECTION – This is a misquote. The clock had a nice inscription on it that said, “It is time for family in Canada.” Referring to the generations (young and old) working together to pray for Canada and impact her for Jesus Christ.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…Stacy Campbell, wife of Wes Campbell, an Apostle Steve Osmond, founders of The Cry Canada, painting, Flag, 2 people in Rod Bruchard’s office…”
FACT CORRECTION – It is Rod Bruinooge, not Rod Bruchard (not sure who that is). Also, there was no reference to Steve Osmond as being an Apostle though we did honour him as the co-founder of TheCRY. Steve is great.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…Arnie Bryant and Apostle of prayer 88 yrs old, a pen…”
FACT CORRECTION – It is Arne Bryan, not Arnie Bryant. He is 90 years old and he said this from the platform, perhaps you were chatting with someone and did not hear him say this clearly. But he is 90 and he is an wonderful man of prayer.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…First, I prayed while at the Central Public Library “that God would put his full armour on me and direct me as i go to the Cry at Lumbermen’s Arch”….”
OBSERVATION – I just wanted to point out that I noticed that you did not open with “Father” or close with “in the name of Jesus.” Since you seemed to indicate that this was the only proper way to open and close a Christian prayer I wanted to point this out. You might have been praying to the wrong God here John – maybe that is why the atmosphere seemed strange. You were not praying in the name of Jesus before you came but to some other strange God seemingly!
I am of course kidding here but just pointing out that you are not holding to your own standards of critic. The bible calls that hypocracy. That is ok. I see your heart and will not judge you for imperfect language.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #46:
“I’m under the impression now she’s done this to a number of mainly young and vulnerable persons at different Venue events, at various locations not connected to each other with no consequences…”
QUESTION – I am not sure what you are referring to here but it seems to be an accusation. I am also not totally sure what “this” is.
Anyone who is reading this that I have hurt or offended is very welcome to contact me at admin@faytene.ca and I would be very happy to arrange a way to talk, pray and do whatever I can to reconcile as the Lord Jesus calls us to.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #4:
“…felt they had a prophetic vision about me in 2004 stealing a ring off of a woman s finger which I didnt do
They slandered me and didnt apologize”
E is right (post #39). I did apologize (even though I don’t even remember the incident and don’t know what I am apologizing for really) several times and have offered to go for coffee several times. I am sorry if I, in any way, hurt you John. That is not my heart nor my intention, ever. Though I do not remember the incident I will offer another olive branch of peace right now.
Bless you John.
Thank you E.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #6:
“Now, Faytene Kryskow…say to me, “We’ll phone the Police!”
FACT CORRECTION – This is a false accusation. I did not even know you were planning on coming to Worship Invasion the night I was there. It was news to me. Someone who had been reading these blogs and saw that you were confirmed on the Facebook event (I believe) spoke to you, but I knew nothing about it.
Like I said, I am still looking for that coffee with you where we can look eye to eye and pray together in the spirit of reconciliation so we can all move forward.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #13:
That I used to fellowship at:
“…West Point Christian Fellowship on MacDonald & W12th in Kitsilano…”
and
“…lived on 6178 Wales and E49th
FACT CORRECTION – This is not the correct name of the church, nor my correct home address…though admiditly close. I will not give the correction on this one however.
It is freaky that you research single women’s addresses John – especially one you are mad at. Wow. That is a wake up call for me.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #15:
I wrote, “…The Maple Leaf’ about history and intercessory prayer..”
FACT CORRECTION – Wrong title. It was called “Big Leaf Maple Tree – Vancouver Notes for Informed Intercession” I don’t sell it any more but people are free to photocopy it and pass it around. No charge even though it is a publication I did. It is my joy to sow this research into anyone that wants it.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #13:
“…no record of any Systematic Theological training…”
FACT CORRECTION – Again, not true. I got a 4.33 (A ) in Bible College and studied systematic theology under my pastor. Also took in many of JI Packers lectures and he preached at our church many times (I noticed you noted him). My theological training is clearly noted on the bio page of my site. Though it is freaky that you know (almost) my home address but did not even take the time to do a simple Google search about my theological training.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #19:
“…did not recognize and give credit to Steve Osmond as the original founder of the Cry…”
FACT CORRECTION – Again, not true. We honoured Steve publicly in 2006 and continue to…including last Saturday.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST # 15:
“…I met with Jonathan Evans from the Salvation Army War College and he said, “The building is owned by Killarney Community Center who rents it to the Salvation Army and we let Faytene use the building, it sounds like she has doctrinal issues, she wronged you, she’ll never be allowed to use the building again, she now lives in Ottawa”
POINT – I know Jonathan very well. I will follow up with him to talk about your conversation with him. Thanks. He prayed at TheCRY regarding the drug issue in Vancouver and Human Trafficking. He and his wife are amazing people.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #27:
Faytene said, “I don’t remember this and am too busy for these petty skirmishes”
FACT CORRECTION – Again, a misqote. After I apologized for the incident that I do not even remember (apology on March 23rd, 2009) I exhorted us to but our differences aside and begin focusing on helping others. I said, “…There are too many people out there to touch for us to be wasting time on petty squirmishes….”
My heart in this was simply to do what many on this blog have been saying – begin looking outward to share the love of Jesus to those around us, not wasting our energy on infighting. That is my heart.
I loved Josie’s comment (comment #43) where she said, “…I think you are all missing the point. What if God shows up and people start to get saved, healed, changed, delivered? Changing their lives for the better. Coming back to Christ….” Awesome post Josie. Thank you for posting in a way that brought the focus back to what this is all about in such a healthy way.
Also loved what Jay said (comment #53), “…I would be blessed to see the church in Canada rise up to pray for each other, instead of mudslinging.” Good word Jay! Great maturity. Thanks.
Jay I am really glad you came and really glad you enjoyed the social justice focus (on Human Trafficking, Drugs, Life etc.). Thanks for coming with an open and unbiased heart. Thank you also for praying with us. When we pray together in Jesus name, the Father will indeed answer. We have seen His faithfulness time and time again. He is so wonderful.
Also E’s comment in #14 was amazing when he said, “…I often wonder what it would look like to have a group of pumped of teenagers and young adults this jazzed up about compassionate outreach and acts of service in Christ’s name….” E, this is exactly why we did the outreach the next day showing love to the city of Vancouver through practical works of kindness!!!!!
It was amazing and many lives were impacted for Jesus Christ on the arts outreach the day after.
Wish you were all there – but it seems some (not all) of you may have been too busy on inaccurate blogging to be doing practical acts of kindness in the name of Christ….not sure…but the blog seemed to be pretty active those days. Wish you would of joined us in showing the love of Jesus to Vancouver.
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TERESE YOU SAID IN POST #20:
“…The house of God has been turned into a marketplace (dependance on mammon – carnal) in our day instead of being a house of prayer (dependance on God – spiritual)…”
SPECIAL THANKS AND POINT – Sweet comment. It was so cool to be in 11 hours of prayer with people who love Jesus from all over Canada! Nothing but water (by donation for 50 cents) was being sold.
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MEL YOU SAID IN POST #48:
“…This CRY event is nothing more than a whole lot of deception. How can they call down a blessing from God on this nation and it’s leaders who won’t even entertain the issue of the multiple thousands of aborted preborn infants. How can they think that they even have a hearing with Our Father when they don’t first call for personal repentance?…”
FACT CORRECTION – This one is too amazing. We prayed into the issue of abortion for ALMOST AN HOUR and did exactly what you said here Mel: we repented deeply. Post abortive women repented, men, women, young and old…we were all there together repenting.
The misunderstanding level of what TheCRY is on this blog is quite stunning. I am choosing not to be offending, just pointing out the facts. I believe you guys are seekers of truth but are just still on route on a couple facts. If you ever want to check a fact just e-mail us at admin@thecry.ca. Seeing as you are lovers of God I am sure you will take me up on this seeing as the Lord is really clear all throughout scripture that he despises a lying tongue (Proverbs 6:19). So, facts matter to Him seemingly.
BUT…I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS MEL!!!!! Our team had 2 baby saves this week!!! There were 2 separate instances were young pregnant girls came to us. In spite of the busy schedule preparing for TheCRY we were able to pray with them. BOTH OF THEM DECIDED TO KEEP THEIR BABIES!!!!! This was just days before TheCRY.
We are now working with both the girls, one on one, to find resources and look at options (adoption if they want to etc.). ISNT’ THAT COOL!!!! God is so good. So good. He answered so many prayers immediately in so many ways. Sooooo good.
Wish you were there in light of your heart for this issue. You would of loved the prayer time for LIFE and you would of loved to hear Rod Bruinooge speak (he is an MP) about this very important issue.
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TERESE YOU SAID IN POST #31:
“….It must be very hurtful to be accused of something you didn’t do…”
SPECIAL THANKS AND POINT – Wow. You could not have said it better Terese.
It indeed is very hurtful to be accused of something you didn’t do. I understand that feeling very well after reading through all these posts.
However, I have been very comforted lately by this scripture.
Mt. 11:5 – “…1 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven…”
As I have been praying for all of you the Lord has been constantly reminding me that I am in wonderful company.
He too was lied about, mis-represented, misunderstood, accused, judged and even accused of being a cult leader by the Pharisees and Saducees!! This was actually their reason for Crucifying Him.
In feeling falsely accused I am comforted by the truth that I am in wonderful company.
The company of Jesus Christ Himself.
Amazing to think about. This should also make us very cautious. If these ones could be deceived during the time of Jesus to the point of crucifying Him, how much more could there be ‘Pharisees’ and ‘Saducees’ of sorts in our midst today. Father protect us all from biting this bait of criticism and offense.
I am being very careful to cultivate great love in my heart (by God’s grace) for each one who has posted inaccuracies.
I don’t know about you guys, but I think that thinking of all this should cause us all to come in the posture that St. Francis so beautifully articulated in this prayer…
Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace;
where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love;
for it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
Amen.
May we all be quick to love, and slow to speak until we know hearts and facts.
BENE – it would be an amazing act of integrity if you would delete all the posts with incorrect facts. It should be pretty easy to find them with my sections above. There were more I could of commented on…but time constrains me.
A QUESTION TO THE READER – If there were this many errors on the above posts factually, is it possible that there are other errors as well on the subjective comments? It is wisdom not to blindly believe everything you read on a blog – go to the source. I would be glad to field any questions anyone has about what we are doing – e-mail admin@thecry.ca.
BENE – it will be an amazing show of character if you allow this post – in it’s entirety – to be posted.
Many blessings to you all. Sincerely. No velvet glove. Just a hug…side hugs for guys ☺.
I have spent a LOT of time on this tonight – because I like you desire that the Body of Christ be accurately informed. I am going to sign off now. There is a 14 year old pregnant girl who needs the love of Jesus and has been waiting to talk to me…so I will now turn my attention to her.
Love in Jesus Christ.
Faytene
My prayer for us:
“Father in heaven I pray for each person reading this blog. I bless them in the name of Jesus. Father we ask for the spirit of love, peace, truth to rule and reign in our hearts. Forgive any one of us if we have spoken in a way that has grieved your heart. Father we desire truth in the inward parts, we desire to please you in all we do, and we desire to be a bright an shining lamp of the love of Christ to all those who would read this blog – even those that do not yet know you. We love you Jesus. Thanks you for all you have done with us and help us to be a loving, kind and mature Body that reflects you to the world. Where we have not acted this way, we now repent and turn from our wicked ways. Where we are not willing to repent, I now ask for your conviction to penetrate our hearts so that we might be willing. Help us look, smell, act, pray, talk…and even blog…just like you would Jesus. Again, we love you Jesus and we pray this in Jesus name. Amen.”
Hey All,
First off: God bless each of you who has been blogging. 60 posts! Impressive.
Since you have posted your opinions in a public manner here I opted to pop in and clarify a few facts publicly as well.
Bene – I so appreciate your heart for truth and accuracy and so my hope is that you will appreciate a couple fact checks I am bringing.
As a matter of fact you all seem to have very sincere hearts (or at least I am choosing to give you the benefit of the doubt on that). Thank you for your desire for truth and integrity. It is mine as well. As long as we all desire truth and operate in love (Eph 4:15), we will do well.
I did want to let you know one thing up front however. Prior to your blog I had never heard of NAR or Dominionism. I am not a part of NAR. I do not know what Dominionism is. However, seems I better find out (LOL!) seeing as you are pretty convinced I am. I’m not affiliated with whatever NAR is though. Just thought you might want to know that fact (which it is).
JOHN –
First off I want to say that the offer to go for coffee still stands – and is extended to any one of you on this blog (in accordance to Mt. 18 that exhorts us to meet face to face if we are offended with a brother (sister)). Any of you can feel free to contact me any time at admin@faytene.ca. This also goes for any of you reading this blog that may have questions for us. We are an open book!
John, I honestly do not remember the incident you keep referencing (which is strange because I don’t know how I would be able to forget such an incident) but I the fact that you are still speaking of it (5 years later?) shows me that you are hurt. I would love to be able to connect with you face to face (with a male pastor present) to talk and pray together so that we can come to Christian unity that would please the heart of God. Let me know. The offer stands and my heart towards you is one of reconciliation and love.
I would also love to chat with any witnesses to this ‘incident’ that I do not remember…this might help me to understand a bit better. So let me know if you have a witness.
I was glad to hear that you came to TheCRY! You said in one of your posts, “…I stood around 10 feet away, at the side and back, that way, I could see them, they would be less likely to see me.”
I am really sad to hear that you did not come up to say hello. I would of gladly shook your hand and talked with you and answered any questions you had. Seriously.
A little story….
I remember I used to be a little skeptical of Prime Minister Harper (a couple years ago). The media and bloggers were painting him as being a high control freak and cold hearted and I did not know what to think. Around the same time I had the opportunity to meet him. When I shook his hand and looked into his eyes I was shocked by his love and gentleness – it was totally different than how the media was painting him. I walked away from that and said to someone, “Wow, if everyone in the nation could just shake that man’s hand and look in his eyes there would be a very different public opinion of him!”
I am not saying Harper is perfect. I am just saying that the media and bloggers were painting him with a brush that was harsh and not accurate….when I saw him face to face it was clear.
Some times, that is what we need to do — take the time to look in someone’s eyes and hear their heart. I hope we get to do that one day John. I think we both may be pleasantly surprised…at least I hope so ☺.
Onward.
Here are a couple little fact checks for you….
JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“Then Faytene sais, ‘Heb 12:1 You will have dominions from sea to sea, we will be the answer to, We will be the new Jesus movement dealing with rebels in the marketplace today’.”
FACT CORRECTION – I wanted to point out that Heb. 12:1 is a totally different scripture. The one you are quoting here is Ps. 72:8.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…[Faytene said], I wish I could find a man that would be married to me that long!”
FACT CORRECTION – This is a misquote. I said, “I would love to marry a man that would spend his 28th anniversary at a prayer meeting [as Lou and Terese did]!” …. And that is true.
Every Christian woman should desire a man of prayer for her husband!
I have had a few proposals – but none that have won my heart.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“….David Damien, Watchmen for the Nations, a plaque with a clock in it with a saying on it ‘Time for a time in Canada’”
FACT CORRECTION – This is a misquote. The clock had a nice inscription on it that said, “It is time for family in Canada.” Referring to the generations (young and old) working together to pray for Canada and impact her for Jesus Christ.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…Stacy Campbell, wife of Wes Campbell, an Apostle Steve Osmond, founders of The Cry Canada, painting, Flag, 2 people in Rod Bruchard’s office…”
FACT CORRECTION – It is Rod Bruinooge, not Rod Bruchard (not sure who that is). Also, there was no reference to Steve Osmond as being an Apostle though we did honour him as the co-founder of TheCRY. Steve is great.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…Arnie Bryant and Apostle of prayer 88 yrs old, a pen…”
FACT CORRECTION – It is Arne Bryan, not Arnie Bryant. He is 90 years old and he said this from the platform, perhaps you were chatting with someone and did not hear him say this clearly. But he is 90 and he is an wonderful man of prayer.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…First, I prayed while at the Central Public Library “that God would put his full armour on me and direct me as i go to the Cry at Lumbermen’s Arch”….”
OBSERVATION – I just wanted to point out that I noticed that you did not open with “Father” or close with “in the name of Jesus.” Since you seemed to indicate that this was the only proper way to open and close a Christian prayer I wanted to point this out. You might have been praying to the wrong God here John – maybe that is why the atmosphere seemed strange. You were not praying in the name of Jesus before you came but to some other strange God seemingly!
I am of course kidding here but just pointing out that you are not holding to your own standards of critic. The bible calls that hypocracy. That is ok. I see your heart and will not judge you for imperfect language.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #46:
“I’m under the impression now she’s done this to a number of mainly young and vulnerable persons at different Venue events, at various locations not connected to each other with no consequences…”
QUESTION – I am not sure what you are referring to here but it seems to be an accusation. I am also not totally sure what “this” is.
Anyone who is reading this that I have hurt or offended is very welcome to contact me at admin@faytene.ca and I would be very happy to arrange a way to talk, pray and do whatever I can to reconcile as the Lord Jesus calls us to.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #4:
“…felt they had a prophetic vision about me in 2004 stealing a ring off of a woman s finger which I didnt do
They slandered me and didnt apologize”
E is right (post #39). I did apologize (even though I don’t even remember the incident and don’t know what I am apologizing for really) several times and have offered to go for coffee several times. I am sorry if I, in any way, hurt you John. That is not my heart nor my intention, ever. Though I do not remember the incident I will offer another olive branch of peace right now.
Bless you John.
Thank you E.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #6:
“Now, Faytene Kryskow…say to me, “We’ll phone the Police!”
FACT CORRECTION – This is a false accusation. I did not even know you were planning on coming to Worship Invasion the night I was there. It was news to me. Someone who had been reading these blogs and saw that you were confirmed on the Facebook event (I believe) spoke to you, but I knew nothing about it.
Like I said, I am still looking for that coffee with you where we can look eye to eye and pray together in the spirit of reconciliation so we can all move forward.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #13:
That I used to fellowship at:
“…West Point Christian Fellowship on MacDonald & W12th in Kitsilano…”
and
“…lived on 6178 Wales and E49th
FACT CORRECTION – This is not the correct name of the church, nor my correct home address…though admiditly close. I will not give the correction on this one however.
It is freaky that you research single women’s addresses John – especially one you are mad at. Wow. That is a wake up call for me.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #15:
I wrote, “…The Maple Leaf’ about history and intercessory prayer..”
FACT CORRECTION – Wrong title. It was called “Big Leaf Maple Tree – Vancouver Notes for Informed Intercession” I don’t sell it any more but people are free to photocopy it and pass it around. No charge even though it is a publication I did. It is my joy to sow this research into anyone that wants it.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #13:
“…no record of any Systematic Theological training…”
FACT CORRECTION – Again, not true. I got a 4.33 (A ) in Bible College and studied systematic theology under my pastor. Also took in many of JI Packers lectures and he preached at our church many times (I noticed you noted him). My theological training is clearly noted on the bio page of my site. Though it is freaky that you know (almost) my home address but did not even take the time to do a simple Google search about my theological training.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #19:
“…did not recognize and give credit to Steve Osmond as the original founder of the Cry…”
FACT CORRECTION – Again, not true. We honoured Steve publicly in 2006 and continue to…including last Saturday.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST # 15:
“…I met with Jonathan Evans from the Salvation Army War College and he said, “The building is owned by Killarney Community Center who rents it to the Salvation Army and we let Faytene use the building, it sounds like she has doctrinal issues, she wronged you, she’ll never be allowed to use the building again, she now lives in Ottawa”
POINT – I know Jonathan very well. I will follow up with him to talk about your conversation with him. Thanks. He prayed at TheCRY regarding the drug issue in Vancouver and Human Trafficking. He and his wife are amazing people.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #27:
Faytene said, “I don’t remember this and am too busy for these petty skirmishes”
FACT CORRECTION – Again, a misqote. After I apologized for the incident that I do not even remember (apology on March 23rd, 2009) I exhorted us to but our differences aside and begin focusing on helping others. I said, “…There are too many people out there to touch for us to be wasting time on petty squirmishes….”
My heart in this was simply to do what many on this blog have been saying – begin looking outward to share the love of Jesus to those around us, not wasting our energy on infighting. That is my heart.
I loved Josie’s comment (comment #43) where she said, “…I think you are all missing the point. What if God shows up and people start to get saved, healed, changed, delivered? Changing their lives for the better. Coming back to Christ….” Awesome post Josie. Thank you for posting in a way that brought the focus back to what this is all about in such a healthy way.
Also loved what Jay said (comment #53), “…I would be blessed to see the church in Canada rise up to pray for each other, instead of mudslinging.” Good word Jay! Great maturity. Thanks.
Jay I am really glad you came and really glad you enjoyed the social justice focus (on Human Trafficking, Drugs, Life etc.). Thanks for coming with an open and unbiased heart. Thank you also for praying with us. When we pray together in Jesus name, the Father will indeed answer. We have seen His faithfulness time and time again. He is so wonderful.
Also E’s comment in #14 was amazing when he said, “…I often wonder what it would look like to have a group of pumped of teenagers and young adults this jazzed up about compassionate outreach and acts of service in Christ’s name….” E, this is exactly why we did the outreach the next day showing love to the city of Vancouver through practical works of kindness!!!!!
It was amazing and many lives were impacted for Jesus Christ on the arts outreach the day after.
Wish you were all there – but it seems some (not all) of you may have been too busy on inaccurate blogging to be doing practical acts of kindness in the name of Christ….not sure…but the blog seemed to be pretty active those days. Wish you would of joined us in showing the love of Jesus to Vancouver.
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TERESE YOU SAID IN POST #20:
“…The house of God has been turned into a marketplace (dependance on mammon – carnal) in our day instead of being a house of prayer (dependance on God – spiritual)…”
SPECIAL THANKS AND POINT – Sweet comment. It was so cool to be in 11 hours of prayer with people who love Jesus from all over Canada! Nothing but water (by donation for 50 cents) was being sold.
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MEL YOU SAID IN POST #48:
“…This CRY event is nothing more than a whole lot of deception. How can they call down a blessing from God on this nation and it’s leaders who won’t even entertain the issue of the multiple thousands of aborted preborn infants. How can they think that they even have a hearing with Our Father when they don’t first call for personal repentance?…”
FACT CORRECTION – This one is too amazing. We prayed into the issue of abortion for ALMOST AN HOUR and did exactly what you said here Mel: we repented deeply. Post abortive women repented, men, women, young and old…we were all there together repenting.
The misunderstanding level of what TheCRY is on this blog is quite stunning. I am choosing not to be offending, just pointing out the facts. I believe you guys are seekers of truth but are just still on route on a couple facts. If you ever want to check a fact just e-mail us at admin@thecry.ca. Seeing as you are lovers of God I am sure you will take me up on this seeing as the Lord is really clear all throughout scripture that he despises a lying tongue (Proverbs 6:19). So, facts matter to Him seemingly.
BUT…I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS MEL!!!!! Our team had 2 baby saves this week!!! There were 2 separate instances were young pregnant girls came to us. In spite of the busy schedule preparing for TheCRY we were able to pray with them. BOTH OF THEM DECIDED TO KEEP THEIR BABIES!!!!! This was just days before TheCRY.
We are now working with both the girls, one on one, to find resources and look at options (adoption if they want to etc.). ISNT’ THAT COOL!!!! God is so good. So good. He answered so many prayers immediately in so many ways. Sooooo good.
Wish you were there in light of your heart for this issue. You would of loved the prayer time for LIFE and you would of loved to hear Rod Bruinooge speak (he is an MP) about this very important issue.
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TERESE YOU SAID IN POST #31:
“….It must be very hurtful to be accused of something you didn’t do…”
SPECIAL THANKS AND POINT – Wow. You could not have said it better Terese.
It indeed is very hurtful to be accused of something you didn’t do. I understand that feeling very well after reading through all these posts.
However, I have been very comforted lately by this scripture.
Mt. 11:5 – “…1 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven…”
As I have been praying for all of you the Lord has been constantly reminding me that I am in wonderful company.
He too was lied about, mis-represented, misunderstood, accused, judged and even accused of being a cult leader by the Pharisees and Saducees!! This was actually their reason for Crucifying Him.
In feeling falsely accused I am comforted by the truth that I am in wonderful company.
The company of Jesus Christ Himself.
Amazing to think about. This should also make us very cautious. If these ones could be deceived during the time of Jesus to the point of crucifying Him, how much more could there be ‘Pharisees’ and ‘Saducees’ of sorts in our midst today. Father protect us all from biting this bait of criticism and offense.
I am being very careful to cultivate great love in my heart (by God’s grace) for each one who has posted inaccuracies.
I don’t know about you guys, but I think that thinking of all this should cause us all to come in the posture that St. Francis so beautifully articulated in this prayer…
Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace;
where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love;
for it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
Amen.
May we all be quick to love, and slow to speak until we know hearts and facts.
BENE – it would be an amazing act of integrity if you would delete all the posts with incorrect facts. It should be pretty easy to find them with my sections above. There were more I could of commented on…but time constrains me.
A QUESTION TO THE READER – If there were this many errors on the above posts factually, is it possible that there are other errors as well on the subjective comments? It is wisdom not to blindly believe everything you read on a blog – go to the source. I would be glad to field any questions anyone has about what we are doing – e-mail admin@thecry.ca.
BENE – it will be an amazing show of character if you allow this post to be posted.
Many blessings to you all. Sincerely. No velvet glove. Just a hug…side hugs for guys ☺.
I have spent a LOT of time on this tonight – because I like you desire that the Body of Christ be accurately informed. I am going to sign off now. There is a 14 year old pregnant girl who needs the love of Jesus and has been waiting to talk to me…so I will now turn my attention to her.
Love in Jesus Christ.
Faytene
My prayer for us:
“Father in heaven I pray for each person reading this blog. I bless them in the name of Jesus. Father we ask for the spirit of love, peace, truth to rule and reign in our hearts. Forgive any one of us if we have spoken in a way that has grieved your heart. Father we desire truth in the inward parts, we desire to please you in all we do, and we desire to be a bright an shining lamp of the love of Christ to all those who would read this blog – even those that do not yet know you. We love you Jesus. Thanks you for all you have done with us and help us to be a loving, kind and mature Body that reflects you to the world. Where we have not acted this way, we now repent and turn from our wicked ways. Where we are not willing to repent, I now ask for your conviction to penetrate our hearts so that we might be willing. Help us look, smell, act, pray, talk…and even blog…just like you would Jesus. Again, we love you Jesus and we pray this in Jesus name. Amen.”
Hi Faytene:
These are called comments, (in the comment section under a post) not posts or blogs.
Thanks for spending time giving other commenters your careful attention.
I think you deserve the opportunity to discuss your concerns with others, don’t you?
Likewise, don’t you believe they deserve to address your fact checking and concers with you?
Fact checking is certainly not a threatening action, it’s encouraged and you are welcome to take all the time you need.
You are asking me for two things: “…it would be an amazing act of integrity if you would delete all the posts with incorrect facts. It should be pretty easy to find them with my sections above.”
I strongly disagree.
Are you suggesting you see censoring, deleting, denying, purging as integrity?
To disagree, refute, discuss, debate, consider, present, – with transparenty, openess and honesty demonstrates integrity. (adherence to moral and ethical principles)
To remove and delete others thoughts, opinions, feelings, experiences and beliefs is dishonourable, faithless, bias, unjust, inequal and disrespectful.
It would be wrong, disporportionist, and imbalanced on my part.
Are you asking me to show you favourtism and partiality?
I do not believe that is how people of good will and self-respect communicate and it is not how BDBO is run.
Your second request – “it will be an amazing show of character if you allow this post to be posted.”
Given your freedom to comment at will at BDBO in the past; why would you believe your comments would not be posted?
Walter: Your comment has been deleted. Please stick to post topic. If readers are interested they can follow the links provided in the post. Thank you – BD
Hey Bene – thanks for accepting the posting!
Nite everyone….sweet dreams and God bless you.
Faytene
I was quite pleased to see Faytene address almost each and every comment on this blog that was directed toward her. There are many people that would never ever take the time to do so. Whatever your opinion of the CRY or theological positions, I truly believe that act needs to be honored.
I also did not realize that John had posted her (almost) personal home address. I am not familiar with Vancouver or street names/numbers and did not catch that. I truly hope that readers and Bene can and will catch that quicker in the future, because that just doesn’t feel right.
I also hope that the personal run down of the situation between Faytene and John can be resolved. If he is not willing to meet with her in face, then I just don’t see the good to continue to re-tell the details of the event that she has apologized numerous times for. I hope that perhaps Bene might moderate that in the future. I would hate to see the integrity of this blog lost because one individual continues to re-post something.
I will continue to say that theologically, I don’t always agree with some of the methods of the gang at 4mycanada, but I don’t think that gives me or anyone else the right to then act in an un-Christlike manner. If any of my postings ever smacked of a lack of humbleness, gentleness or love, I am truly sorry. I hope that we as truth seekers really remember what “the truth in love” means in our lives.
I hate to say it, but I think if this thing doesn’t get resolved with the negative posting, I may be unsubsribing to the blog and will cease to comment. It is leaving me with a yucky feeling…
Faytene:
You’re welcome.
Thanks E. Fixed.
I’m trying to pack in outdoor time, summer is short here, and I apologize for my inattentiveness.
There is an open policy at BDBO, if you see typos, mistakes by me, or comments by others which do not adhere to the site policy under About, pipe up.
John – no personal information about others okay?
… forgiveness and Love….
“Are you suggesting you see censoring, deleting, denying, purging as integrity?
To disagree, refute, discuss, debate, consider, present, – with transparenty, openess and honesty demonstrates integrity. (adherence to moral and ethical principles)”
She is just asking your to “correct inaccuracies”.
Kind of a straw man argument you got going there. Faytene did not imply censoring = integrity at all.
It seems very clear to me, that what she is really trying to say is, “It would show integrity (not to mention humility) to correct inaccuracies if someone has pointed them out to us”
If you believe these are still accurate, then it might be nice to explain why, and then keep them on your blog.
All in all…. I have you two reconcile.
There’s something not quite right.
Umm.. Bene, I hope you take down the address. …
-richard
Hi Richard:
Yep, it’s gone. I appreciate E and you pointing that out.
I hear Faytene asking me to remove commenters who may not have facts straight, don’t agree with elements of TheCry, have theological and cultural concerns, or feelings to express.
Did I hear the request incorrectly?
I think any commenter is perfectly able to address their own concerns, ask others to correct misinformation or misconceptions directly and discuss disagreement.
Ms. Krystkow stated nationally she believes this is a ‘hate-blog.’
Thats fine, the link has been provided, people can make their own decisions.
I can appreciate open and free-wheeling discussion on a blog is new to many people who may find it initially challenging. I can only encourage you to jump in – if you disagree with something, say so.
“If you believe these are still accurate, then it might be nice to explain why”
Good point.
I think it’s between Ms. Krystow and commenters.
I missed the address being put up, and I apologize to Faytene for not catching it.
People who attended the event can discuss errors and perceptions openly, which is being done without interference.
Reconcile:
to win over to friendliness, to compose or settle, to bring into agreement or harmony; make compatible or consistent…
I’m not clear about what you think I need to reconcile.
Care to elaborate?
John:
In fairness to you, I’ll take the flack on this.
I do not believe there was any intent to harm on your part.
There is no intent to harm on mine.
The tricky balance of private and public information…
On the copyright page of Stand On Guard by Faytene C. Kryskow this is what is written:
ISBN 0-9737510-0-2
6717 Wales St.
Vancouver, BC, Canada, V5S 2R7.
Printed in Canada.
Independently published with Credo Publishing.
All rights reserved, etc. etc.
I don’t know what is on the copyright page of Marked: A Generation of Dread Champions Rising To Shift Nations
Faytene: Why do you keep insisting J.P. meet with you on your own terms as though you were challenging him to a duel? Probably he sees the futility of such a meeting since you can’t confess and repent of the harm you have done him until you remember it. Nor are you certain enough of yourself to be able to categorically deny it. So, I just don’t see the point there..
I have many concerns about your ministry but I think I’ll just narrow it down to one since this encapsulates the rest: I notice you have a fondness for quoting Catholic ’saints’, and one quote in particular concerns me – it’s the one by Joan of Arc that you have put on the Home page of your website that seems to be the hallmark of your ministry and life:
“Every man gives his life for what he believes and every woman gives her life for what she believes. Sometimes people believe in little or nothing and they give their lives to that little or nothing. One life is all we have. We live it and it is gone. But to live without faith is more terrible than dying, even more terrible than dying young.” Joan of Arc
Without even going into the probems I have with Joan of Arc herself, I’m concerned because you place importance on this saying of hers, which is an example of carnal human thought missing the mark, and in this case even contradicts scripture. While faith is a wonderful and necessary gift, doesn’t the word of God say that “To live is Christ, to die is gain.”? Believers do not live for faith, we live for Christ. And dying does not seem so terrible after all according to His word. This quote comes across to my hearing as being prideful and intimidating and an open door to “purpose-driven” false Christianity – I’m sorry that anyone who purports to be a Christian and a minister of the gospel would choose to have this emblazoned as the emblem of their ministry rather than God’s word.
Canadian Christianity has edited the August 20th article by Lloyd Mackey on TheCry Vancouver, which is their perogative.
The reference I used in comment 69 above has been removed from Mr. Mackey’s article.
I want to be very clear I did not contact the magazine, I have no problem with Ms. Krystow’s impression of BDBO; while I’m sorry she feels that way; Canadian Christianity writers, editors and readers were initially able to follow the link to BDBO and draw their own conclusion.
I have no problem with editorial decisions Canadian Christianity chooses to make, I was honoured Mr. Mackey used BDBO to reference Ms. Krystow’s opinion.
The (comment #69) quoted paragraph read:
“While the general tenor of Christian leadership response to the CRY event was positive, Kryskow said she has periodically had to battle what she described as “hate-blogging” linking her to allegedly dominionist and theocratic-based American-based organizations such as the New Apostolic Revolution. Her past links with Lou Engle, head of TheCALL, and former Canadian Patricia King of Extreme Prophetic has provided some fodder for the allegations, coming from such blogs as Bene Diction Blogs On.”
The edited version of the article now provides a link to an explanation of dominionism.
“While the general tenor of Christian leadership response to the CRY event was positive, Kryskow said she has periodically had to battle what she described as “hate-blogging” linking her to allegedly dominionist and theocratic-based American-based organizations such as the New Apostolic Revolution. Her past links with Lou Engle, head of TheCALL, and former Canadian Patricia King of Extreme Prophetic has provided some fodder for the allegations.”
Anybody who was and is associated with Patricia King or Todd Bentley should have their heads examined as they are not all there!
Hi Walter: The rest of your comment has been deleted. While you are entitled to you opinion, stick to the issue. Thanks – BD
As I was at the Central Library praying before the Cry, I did not type the whole prayer but a summary of what I prayed.
I usually start a prayer with Our Father and always end in Jesus name
There are Prayers started with God, Almighty and Everlasting God, Creator God, God the Father, Creator of heaven and earth in the Anglican Book of Common Prayer that end in Jesus name.
I end up investigating and researching a number of things and enjoy watching documentaries as well
Usually, things go rather smoothly for me too
It is good if a person follows closely is usually admired by whoever is speaking
If and when they were alarmed at me, I knew there was something wrong was a red flag.
The way in which alarmed reactions can be expressed is also shocking for me and has probably happened to others
On the websight Faytene Kryskow had made for her, she put the address for a Vancouver mailing address for her ministry
If one wants to be more discreet about that sort of things, one can always get a Post Office Box
I arrived at Lumbermen’s Arch at around 5pm and stayed till around 7pm
While there, I took listened as closely as I could and took notes of what I believe I heard.
I’m not a newspaper reporter and did not carry a tape recorder with me, so I made the best of what I had
There was so much going on that mistakes can happen with what speakers say.
Also, things are not always heard clearly either, so, it can happen both ways
These groups were a new thing to me in 2004 and this has all been quite a learning experience about the New Apostolic Revolution, Apostolic Prophetic Movement, Dominionisn and Joel’s Army and their dynamics.
Matt 18 has verses involving communication which are good providing all parties have the commitment and ownership to follow them.
One person’s commented about situations going beyond Matt 18 going to 1 Tim 5:19
There is the verse ‘Bless them that curse you’
But, a person at my church said to me, ‘You should pray they’ll be convicted of their sins’
I thought it was about time somebody took this information out into the open.
What gets me is why do some groups like to harm others for no reason?
It seems to me, they feel they can keep being this way without consequences as well does not make sense to me.
But, learning about their history, I now see why.
It does not help with a number of different Christian groups that don’t always communicate well when problems arise could be solved with good communication
But with these above mentioned groups and what they stand for is newer information to me
These groups seemed to be investigated
Who is associated with the above groups and do they admit they are a part?
It they do not admit this and the reasons for why this is so is food for thought and seeds for reflection
Now, some of my quotes are in Canadian Christianity August 20th article
In the Anglican Agenda Series about ‘The Holy Spirit’ by J.I.Packer mentions Psalm 139: 23,24 is the purpose of the Holy Spirit to search us through the scriptures.
Typed earlier about the person who talked to me about ‘praying for the convictions of a persons’ sins also mentioned J.I.Packer had conversations with the above groups mentioned here and does not agree with them about persons on earth to reoccupy the long vacant offices of the Apostles and Prophets.
J.I. Packer is a Professor of Systematic Theology is now retired from Regent College at UBC Vancouver, British Columbia
He was raised in the Church of England
An article in Crux mentioned him as an Evangelical Churchman
Therese #71
If one admitted what they’d done to me, after they’d done it, they
would probably dread the consequences maybe for future ministry
At the same time, it is easy to get rid of someone like me,
somehow, that is looking too closely for their comfort over what
appears, at first to be nothing more than a more alternative
version of contemporary non-denominational Charismatic
Christianity; furthermore, at first, I could sense something -a little
different- about the atmosphere in these places seemed a little bit
more high-spirited and a little bit more clearer in a way that was
missing some sort of substance.
So, going back here to 2004 for you:
March 2004 Worship Invasion University Chapel UBC
May 2004 Fresh Fire Abbotsford Pentecostal Church
June 2004 Worship Invasion Peace Portal Alliance, Surrey
(This is where it happended very fast)
“Do you know you are never allowed to go to a Fresh Fire Conference again because (you prayed over a woman and took the ring off of her finger) ? ”
I did no such thing and the accusation said to me was talked so fast is a form of talking down to controll.
This was so strange, I just froze
From there, it got ugly and nobody apologized or resolved
Nobody wanted to admit anything, communicate or have any attitude of commitment or ownership
Later in June 2004 Extreme Prophetic Cordial Hall Pender & Templeton, E Vancouver (run by Faytene Kryskow)
Faytene Kryskow somehow knew my name but I’d never personally told it to her
Standing on a public sidewalk near the Cordial Hall that is owned by Killarney Community Center who rents it out to the Salvation Army War College who let her use it.
She said, “John Paysar, I don’t like you, you’re standing on private property, we own the building, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus”
She starts to try and shove me down the sidewalk
After this, I started to become suspicious of these groups and
started to see what I could research about them
Hi Walter: This comment has been deleted. Please stick to post topic. Thanks – BD
The parts of this movement that I have seen rely a lot on fairy-tale vain imaginations, including I have noticed a lot of imagery of “knights” and such-like from the middle ages. One of these vain imaginations is the cinderella dream that they’ll wake up one morning to miraculously find millions of dollars in their bank accounts, or something similar. This kind of thinking really could be the reason some have been easy prey for too-good-to-be-true-get-rich-schemes! But I think the story of Joseph in the bible paints a more realistic picture, a living parable, of what the Lord means by “the wealth of the sinner is stored up for the righteous.” During a time of famine, God’s people the Israelites travelled to Egypt and were sustained on the stored grain that had been produced on the backs of the pagan Egyptians, and set aside and distributed by Joseph to his people as they had need. (Joseph of course was a type of Jesus Christ, our faithful Shepherd who provides for His sheep).
Hi Therese:
I deleted your comment – please stick to the post topic. Thanks – BD
Therese – You are right on about one of these vain imaginations is the Cinderella dream that they’ll wake up one morning to miraculously find millions of dollars in their bank accounts,
Hi Walter: The rest of your comment has been deleted because it does not address the post topic. Thanks – BD
Hi Therese: Your comment has been deleted because it did not address the post topic. Please stick to topic. Thanks – BD
Hi Walter: You comment has been deleted. Please stick to topic. Thank you – BD
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Amen, brother Walter – salvation costs us the same as it cost Jesus! We have to fulfill our part of the covenant in order to participate in it.
And I forgot to mention about my little story above (#80) that the Lord also showed me that the person in my story has classic characteristics of Narcisistic Personality Disorder (she had suffered abuse as a child). Mental illness is also a part of this whole delusional scenario! Look at Todd Bentley – that he is a person with a lot of issues is obvious. Adolph Hitler is an example of someone who was adored and willingly followed by so many of his countrymen, and feared, yet he is universally known today as someone who was mentally ill and deluded. I strongly suspect that many of those who rise to the top in the whole movement we’re talking about here have serious mental/emotional issues, and yet ironicaly they are followed by so many.
If I can be indulged just a little longer, on the topic of Joan of Arc, I think I should mention, if I can try to articulate it, that the biggest problem with Joan of Arc that I see is that she mixed faith with worldly endeavour. She was trying to change the world, change circumstances, and willing to use carnal weapons of force and politics to do it, instead of being used by God to change hearts, and using our spiritual weapons of warfare, since we war not against flesh and blood. This is what I’m having my eyes opened to see as being the danger and the biggest error in a nutshell of this whole false prophetic/apostolic movement. This is what Catholicism has done during it’s worst moments in history. I think Joan of Arc unfortunately has been very aptly chosen as the emblem of a ministry that is part of this movement whether knowingly or not.
James Goll in referring above to Faytene, said “In fact, some of these new justice riders are already doing something to reverse the moral decay of society.” Problem is, Christians are called to preach the gospel so that hearts are changed, we are called to be witnesses to grace, not to change the moral climate or anything else about a fallen world that is passing away.
Therese – Right on! I cannot debate with the truth!
Bless you Walter…thanks be unto God who always causeth us to triumph in Christ!
Therese & Walter
Very good research and dialogues
I enjoyed reading what you typed
I’m learning from this very insightfull information
@ Walter & Therese,
I think you’re both right on the mark when you assess the ministry that we are speaking of. The power of God is in His Word. Preach it and hearts and lives will be changed! If every Christian was obedient to the Great Commission, we would see a revival. If even 10% were sharing the biblical gospel of true repentance and faith, we’d see a huge change in the church dynamics. Sadly, less than 2% of us share our faith. Many that do, share a soft gospel, or a wealth and prosperity gospel. Jesus never promised us wealth or health or prosperity. He promised us trials and tribulations. He came to save us from our sins and the resulting wrath of God…not so we could drive a BMW.
If we TRULY believe that the bible is true and that people will be facing the wrath of God on Judgment Day if they don’t have Jesus, how can we NOT warn them? How much do we have to hate someone to not share the gospel with them?
Christians, wake up!!! Preach the gospel as if lives are depending on it…because they do.
Kat – You are right the true, simple gospel of repentance and faith in God and in the finished work of Christ at Calvary is not being preached.
Hi Walter- Your comment has been edited. Please stick to topic. Thank you – BD
Hi Walter:
I’ve removed your comment – please stick to topic. Thank you – BD
ex·tort (¹k-stôrt“) tr.v. ex·tort·ed, ex·tort·ing, ex·torts. To obtain from another by coercion or intimidation. –ex·tort“er n. –ex·tor“tive adj.
nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God?
Hi Walter:
I’ve removed your comment. Please stick to topic. Thanks – BD
Faytene K wrote earlier:
“TERESE YOU SAID IN POST #20:
“…The house of God has been turned into a marketplace (dependance on mammon – carnal) in our day instead of being a house of prayer (dependance on God – spiritual)…”
SPECIAL THANKS AND POINT – Sweet comment. It was so cool to be in 11 hours of prayer with people who love Jesus from all over Canada! Nothing but water (by donation for 50 cents) was being sold.”
Special note for Terese…you may want to look at my post as quoted by BD. A book table and a give-money-or-I-sell-my-house offering on the Friday. Faytene K is being cute here by talking about Saturday alone, and your own point may remain valid
Thanks Rick, I kind of thought most of her comment was in that same vein of trying to catch people in little technicalities instead of grappling with the bigger picture and fundamental issues, which tells me that she doesn’t understand what those are. Unfortunately I see a young lady who has been led astray herself and failed by a church that has lost its way, and is now leading others to turn aside to myths and fables – I never realized how literal that verse of scripture would turn out to be!
Hey Faytene
By the way, I’d typed a summary of the prayer I did pray at the Central Library
The whole prayer is, “God I pray that you’ll put your full armour upon me, this I ask in Jesus name”
I always end my prayers in Jesus name and most of the time I start a prayer with Father or Heavenly Father
So, Faytene, if ‘John sensing a different atmosphere at The Cry, I wonder what God he worships?’ the answer to that is in the above.
The atmosphere I sensed at The Cry is what I sensed after I’d prayed prior to arriving.
When I went to Worship Invasion, Fresh Fire, Exteme Prophetic at Cordial Hall and The Cry, I sensed a different atmosphere at all of those Venue events.
The atmosphere was of a bit of a different clear, was a bit too clear, seemed to be a bit without a certain kind of substance, kind of void and empty. It also seemed kind of high spirited but a bit too high in a different way too
I believe I was trying to be accurate with my notes.
With all that was going on, some of the speakers had probably made some errors in what they’d said.
But Faytene, why do you think you are under so much scutiny by Dennis Gruending ‘Bene Diction’, Rick Hiebert and myself.
Do you admit to being New Apostolic Revolution NAR?
What do you think of NAR?
Do you admit to understanding it?
Rick Hiebert’s critique on you book ‘Stand on Guard’ was very good.
He feels the early Canadian fathers were more interested in being on the foundation of the British Empire
The French tried to colonize Canada to later be by the English
With the last name Kryskow, you sound neither of French or English descent but the name sounds Polish.
So, think, Faytene Kryskow, how might’ve your or others from the same country as your ancestors have been treated in the earlier days in Canadian History compared to today is food for thought and seeds for reflection?
How were English treated verses how others were treated and was it the same?
Why would some people ‘Anglisize’ their names?
“With the last name Kryskow, you sound neither of French or English descent but the name sounds Polish.
So, think, Faytene Kryskow, how might’ve your or others from the same country as your ancestors have been treated in the earlier days in Canadian History compared to today is food for thought and seeds for reflection?”
Nationality or ethnicity is a non-issue John.
Having said that:
In the end of Stand on Guard where Ms. Kystow advertises her products it says: (p.259)
“Faytene is a relative of Calixa Lavailee (the author of the music to O Canada) and David Laton (David is Louis Riel’s descendant)”
Maybe. Maybe not.
Who is going to bother checking?
It’s an advert blurb which touts this supposed heritage and ties to ‘fathers’ of the nation… “We are re-digging ancient wells and claiming them for our King.”
Of course it’s very characteristic of neo-charismania to cast around looking for signs that God is endorsing what they are doing. I know because I used to do the same kind of thing. Even if Faytene were truly related to these folk by the flesh, I would ask her why should that mean anything to God or church, to whose spiritual family I hope we now belong? And redigging ancient wells notwithstanding, doesn’t the Lord also say, “Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past. See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it?” (Is. 43:18-19) The only ancient wells we should be digging up is the Living Water, the only foundations that need dusting off is Jesus Christ and His word, timeless and eternal irregardless of circumstances in the world.
What I found in the bible about the mentioning of wells
Isaiah 12: 3
Therefore, with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
Chain references:
John 4: 10
Jesus answered, and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith unto thee, Give me to drink, thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
John 4: 14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst, but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 7: 37
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
John 7: 38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water.
Nice work, J.P. – amen, the wells of salvation – those are great scriptures. And I would like to mention that the only foundation in the word of God that the church has besides Jesus is the apostles and prophets. No mention of ‘righteous fathers’ or ‘founding fathers’ nor even the Patriarchs as being a foundation. Dominionists seem to forget or not realize (or maybe for some their understanding is blurred) that Israel is a type of the church, and not a type or example for earthly ethnic or political entities called nations. Scripture says that the things that happened with Israel were written down as an example to the church, which is a spiritual entity, no more political than it is ethnic. Nations in scripture are a type for the lost world. Those that love truth will bring their imaginations/thoughts into obedience to Jesus Christ, by his grace, and through the cross we carry that crucifies fleshly imagination and brings us down to reality (truth).
Isa 28:16 “So this is what the Sovereign Lord says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who trusts will never be dismayed .”
1Cr 3:11 “For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.”
Eph 2:19 “Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.”
When I was at The Cry and what I wished I could’ve done with a group or what a group could do at the next Cry
There should’ve been a taskforce group with a banner handing out tracts and or leaflets out to the attendees at all of the Crys with the media attending as well to let the public know what this groups really stands for.
There was a lot of Security walking around so the group might have to stay just out of the Venue boundaries
One person with a ‘Security’ sign on him was a nice younger fellow from Cedar Grove Baptist Church
Cedar Grove Baptist Church hosts Worship Invasion every new year.
The younger fellow I was talking to wasn’t too crazy about Worship Invasion on the U-Tubes for it does not get too many attending
Worship Invasion advertised The Cry at Lumbermen’s Arch as their next Venue event.
I saw no tell tale signs the any persons from Worship Invasion were there.
Standing about 10′ away the whole time I walked around the outside of the groups saw more older persons than I thought
Because in 2004 Extreme Prophetic said, ‘We’ll phone the Police’ and later on Worship Invasion said, ‘You’re not welcome, this is a private event, if you come we’ll phone the Police’ I kept out of sight. If someone spotted me, I might’ve been grabbed by Security and they might’ve phoned the Police or just played dirty pool and keep tight lipped about it.
If the Police did come, the situation could’ve become quite interesting because the Police could ask them, “Where is -your proof- this person did what you say he did and who saw him?”
I give credit for the leaflets ideas from the Jewish persons attending the 40th Council of the United Church of Canada in Kelowna when the UC was wanting to Boycott Israel.
I give credit to the taskforce group to the masked protesters I see at the Church of Scientology on W Hastings & Richards in Downtown Vancouver when on my way to the Central Branch of the Vancouver Public Library
The attendees I saw at Lumbermen’s Arch looked like very mainstream older Christians thinking everything is just fine.
One older couple said, “We’re partners for the Cry and have monthly direct withdrawals from our Bank Account”
How many of those situations are there?
Ok as a christian who studies the legitimate greats like Ravenhill, Tozer, Wesley and so forth I believe we have strayed from the truth of the bible. The bible is very clear that if we are being led by the Spirit it will lead us into all truth. So biblically we don’t have a lot to misinterpret as long as we are being led by the spirit. I read your remarks and it’s constantly two sides fighting in every arena of christianity. I believe if God was our true focus and we hungered after him we would be a very different tribe of people in this land as ravenhill said. Judge not by appearance but with righteous judgement john 7:24. I do believe we must not lift up people above God and follow God’s words over mans if they conflict. I went to every meeting up to the cry and I found some weird things but at the core God was showing me that a lifestyle of Prayer and fasting is where we need to be. We have nothing to be afraid of if we have the word filled in us that we can discern truth from the flesh. God does want complete dominion, he wants to separate into two camps those who follow him and those who don’t because he did not come to bring peace but a sword to divide. We must be careful. I was under todd bentleys teaching years ago before he ever made it big and both my brother and I also thought he seemed fake. He would wear suits and then come in biker clothes saying he listened to christian rock. It was like a double personality. He never had tattoos or piercings. So do I think he is a complete phony. He could want God so bad but his compulsive lying and fish stories feed the ego that maybe is his low self esteem caused from a trauma in his childhood. He needs to repent and I agree that some men need to be out of ministry for good or a long time. We are so far from understanding true repentance. I found the cry good because it changed my focus on realizing prayer must be a lifestyle as a christian and not just a thing we do here and there. I knew it in the word but Gods spirit confirmed it there. Just like those healing revivals that may be tainted by the leader but people will get healed by their own faith. So Don’t tear it down so badly because there is plenty of good but all our human endeavors pollute God’s work sometimes.
We can either get to intellectual or to spiritual. People are going to hell and we need to get back to a lifestyle of prayer and preaching the true gospel of Christ. Some churches are dead and read the 7 churches in revelation. If you can’t admit we are in a day and age of those churches than maybe your the self righteous that need to repent. I realize that all of us are as guilty as the other and only by the complete regeneration of our soul through the salvation of only Jesus Christ are we truly saved. Not that we said a prayer and live a good lifestyle. Salvation changes us into complete obedience to God and we will be hated for spreading light on the unrighteousness in christians and the sinners. Sin hates when it is brought to light. Go correct your brothers and say I think your doctrine or ways may be off before we completely shut them down as apostate. To be apostate is a very dangerous thing and I will that on no christian to enter that state. My God eternity will be hard for those. I decided I had walked away from God when i let habitual sin rule my life rather than have control through Christ. Many would say your saved if you said a prayer but in my heart I felt God saying I was not. And I moved into true repentance and salvation. My God when God truly moves there will be no questioning it. there are those who take it to far and those who do not do anything. Both are deadly. Let’s come back to The Father and seek his heart and weep for the nations and find true repentance. I must pray my pride down everyday. I know my scriptures but no longer will I use them in arrogance or pride that I have the right way. No I will let God the actual power of God with the spoken word of his scriptures make those that hear also become doers. It’s him that does it not us. He has the right way. He has the salvation. We are tools in his hands, servants of obedience and we must preach to the ends of the earth.
To Faytene Kryskow, Rick Hiebert & Bene D
When I’m either listening to The Cry at Lumbermens’ Arch or CBC Radio for that matter, when a lot of information is being put out there can be some innocent mistakes and or something said in some sort of slang or words mixed together.
I though my reporting was clear but Faytene Kryskow seemed to want to cover up and not admit her mistakes but instead put the mistakes upon me.
She seems like quite a quick witted and smart person with a good memory, so, she did remember in 2004 at the Cordial Hall sidewalk saying, “John Paysar, I don’t like you, you’re on private property, we own the building, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus”
Faytene Kryskow, you do remember but you don’t want to admit it. Why is that? because it does not make you look good.