“GENERALS GATHER FOR A HISTORIC STRIKE AT TheCRY VANCOUVER FOR 40TH ANNIVERSARY OF WOODSTOCK – WITH CANADIAN OIL RAMP UP MEETINGS”
TheCRY VANCOUVER
AUGUST 15, 2009 (all day)
It is not a concert, it is not a conference, it’s a CRY.
A friend with a wicked sense of humour wrote:
Somebody should tell their e-mail intern that “generals” and “[first] strike” is not the best language to use with us Canadians, who can be skittish about such matters at the best of times…:)
The Cry is a neo-charismatic New Apostolic Reformation extension of the US ‘The Call.’  This year Canadian promoters aren’t trying to hide their ties with their polically hyper religious right southern counterpart, they are flaunting their association (couched in lovely religious language) with Lou Engle. No Christian parent in their right mind is going to let their child go to hear militarized theocrats. This is dominionism, hyper-experiential new age goobleygook biblically illiterate, radical manipulation. There is agenda and no amount of softening the message for Canadian ears is going to change hard core reality.
Canadians who have shown themselves to be wolves in sheep’s clothing will make their appearance. They believe they have a divine apostolic right to usher in their version of God’s kingdom. The teaching is extra-biblical and is targeted at young people susceptible to cause and belonging.
I’m glad they are showing their true colours. I’m glad they admit they are revealing their reason for the venue; Vancouver’s turn on the world’s sports page. I want people to see these leaders and this movement for what it is – a counterfeit. I also hope people who understand this sub-culture and it’s dangers will attend and will report.
This is what Sam Reimer in Evangelicals and the continental divide calls ‘south up’ influence in evangelicalism. While this growing bubble of apostasy has sent some northerners south such as Patricia King and Todd Bentley, for which I apologize to my US neighbours who have been conned and fleeced, it’s important Canadian pentecostals and charismatics get informed. Engle is not speaking metaphorically. Neither are his Canadian associates.
Update: Canadian Christianity looks at TheCry’s marketing, attendance and political endorsements: Christians debate significance of TheCryÂ
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More Books and Things:Â About that Nazarite Uprising Thingy
Polycarp is only partly headlining his post tongue in cheek, he takes his theologically seriously
Lou Engle urges Americans to Invade Canada for God
Dennis Gruending: The Cry, Charismatics and Parliament Hill
When this crowd says Canadian Oil, they aren’t talking about Alberta crude.
For good measure, if the political and theological discussion isn’t enough - from another who walked away: Deception Bytes: 20 Characteristics of a Cult
I went to The Cry admittedly suspicious, but was pleasantly surprised. There looked to be 1500-2000 attendees at peak (but people came and went as the day progressed), and the vast majority of the time was spent addressing issues of social justice. There were a few MP’s speaking about human trafficking, child abuse, late-term (and other) abortion; all things the church should be compelled to pray for. Take or leave Kryskow, Engle, etc., I think the day was effective in raising awareness for these important issues in spite of any of their shortcomings.
I would be blessed to see the church in Canada rise up to pray for each other, instead of mudslinging.
The way to evoke social change is to preach the TRUE Gospel of repentance and faith. When God saves people, He changes them. THAT is when we will see revival and THAT is when we will see change. THAT is when we will see politicians work for the changes that God wants.
Preach the gospel people! Do whatever you can to get the Word of God out there. If that means standing on a street corner on a box, do it! Get equipped. Be prepared to defend the faith at all costs. The power to save is not in US, it is in God’s Word!!! Preach it…He will do the rest!
First, I prayed while at the Central Public Library “that God would put his full armour on me and direct me as i go to the Cry at Lumbermen’s Arch”.
Around 4:30pm, or so, I felt it was a good time to go.
No 5 Robson Buses coming along, walked to Pender caught a 19 Stanley Park too me right to Lumbermen’s Arch was perfect.
Walking towards Lumberman’s Arch seeing two persons walking away, I asked them, “how many persons were there”?
One said, “I don’t know, I guess 800″.
I went to the Cry at 5:10pm
At first, I thought around 200 persons or so
I stood around 10 feet away, at the side and back, that way, I could see them, they would be less likely to see me.
I didn’t want to raise any suspicions from any persons in the crowd that I was checking them out and might find something they’re trying to hide.
But, then, I counted every person from the front of the stage to the very end and I counted around 65-70 or so, that was the length.
Then, as I walked across the back of the crowd, I counted the width, saw around 20-25 or so.
65 times 20 = 1,300
or
70 times 20 = 1,400
or
70 times 25 = 1,750
So, it could’ve been around 1,300 to 1,750 or so.
There were persons of all ages, a number of older persons, 50 .
Quite a number had portable lawn chairs they were sitting on.
I saw no signs of any ‘Joel’s Army’ running around laying hands on anybody.
I saw no signs of anybody from ‘Worship Invasion’ either.
Other persons I asked said, “people have been coming and going during the day”
I felt something strange about the atmosphere.
I’d felt that before at Worship Invasion, Fresh Fire and Extreme Prophetic.
The atmosphere felt alive and high spirited but seemed -too clear- like something was missing was not the same as my home church.
It seemed, like they’d opened themselves up to something that may not be the best.
I was glad and quite content to be standing around the outside of where the main group was standing.
I met one nice person from my church, then another very nice couple I know from my church.
Then, two very nice younger guys from the Caanan Church on Fraser & E47th, they were both from Taiwan. One of them said, “The speakers sound more political than religious”, they said, “It looks like over 1000 person but there is something different about the atmosphere”.
Then, as I was walking away, I sat at this bench beside this nicest older couple from Australia and they were very nice.
There was a large Television Screen enabling me too see the speakers from where I was.
Okay, one person said, “The Olympics are being held in Vancouver in 2010, Olympics originated in Greece, in Greece there was homosexuality and idolatry, there is going to be a -’Spirit of Greece’-coming into the City of Vancouver, I pray God that no Spirit of Greece comes into the City of Vancouver”!
There was quite a mood, an atmosphere, somewhat loud and aggressive.
Then Faytene Kryskow said, “Vancouver we -snatch you for the Lord our God, seal this time the City of Vancouver, Amen”
The prayer did not start with Father and did not end in Jesus name or the cross.
Faytene Kryskow spoke again,”Raising up a new Generation Commission:
-Lou Engle
-Dave Damien
-Stacy Campbell
reverse the curse of rebellion, 5 gifts to 5 spiritual fathers
1 Kenny Blacksmith 1st people’s covenant 4 days prayer/fasting a painting of James
2 Arnie Bryant and Apostle of prayer 88 yrs old, a pen
3 Stacy Campbell, wife of Wes Campbell, an Apostle
Steve Osmond, founders of The Cry Canada, painting, Flag, 2 people in Rod Bruchard’s office
4 David Damien, Watchmen for the Nations, a plaque with a clock in it with a saying on it ‘Time for a time in Canada’
5 Lou Engle, 28 years married, Tree of Life with leaves of healing painting.
I wish I could find a man that would be married to me that long !”
Then Faytene sais, “Heb 12:1 You will have dominions from sea to sea, we will be the answer to, We will be the new Jesus movement dealing with rebels in the marketplace today”
This 91 year old man who founded Prayer Canada in 1977 has a mailing list of 5,000 said of Faytene Kryskow, “She’s a commando”
David Damien said of Faytene Kryskow, “Honour Commission Faytene Kryskow is the daughter of the Lord, Lord give her 100 fold of what she’s given”
They mentioned the Cry will be on God TV on Sunday.
By this time it was around 7:10pm, things wrapping up, I followed the nice older couple from Australia to the bus and we continued to have a nice conversation.
Thank you John especially for the head count and demographics.
Thanks for going to see for yourself and for telling us.
John P. – You were talking about their cultishness a little while back and this whole conversation has helped something to dawn on me about that whole cult thing, and it was becoming more clear as I was writing to a friend in Israel:
“The whole neo-charismatic movement, from TACF, Kansas city prophets, NAR, Dominionism, Todd Bentley and friends, all make idols of the things of God (to benefit self), instead of worshiping the Lord himself. It seems to be getting more evil and it looks to me like one huge manifestation of Jezebel. This movement has morphed into cultism (I saw that cult spirit at TACF too by the time I left) – I wonder if that is the “powerful delusion” the Lord said He would send. But the Lord is fighting against her – in the world this spirit manifests as the antichrist/humanism ruling and controlling, with everyone tripping over themselves fawning over it – that’s what it feels like, the whole world is turning into one giant humanistic cult. But praise the Lord nothing can stand against Him, and He will overcome!! Praise God for His light that annihilates darkness! Shine on Jesus!”
What do you think of that? The false church – morphing into a Jezebelic cult – with all the manifestations of control, subtle intimidation, manipulation, idolatry, spiritual compromise – Jesus is only peaceful and loving, no judgment, no fear of God, the Father loves you, la, la, la. The world – a cult – peace and love and tolerance for everything and everybody, tiptoe through the tulips, toss flower petals around – ready to give their lives over to a stern-faced ruler who also floats on air and tosses flower petals around…at first, until the control and intimidation stops being subtle and manifests its true nature – violence and murder. “Powerful delusion” = cult?
What channel is God TV?
Can one view it on-line?
I’ve tried and can’t find
Live in Vancouver, B.C.
I have Cable up to around Channel 29 or so
Thankfully we don’t have GodTV in Canada.
If you go online to watch it, use a throwaway email addy.
Hey All,
First off: God bless each of you who has been blogging. 60 posts! Impressive.
Since you have posted your opinions in a public manner here I opted to pop in and clarify a few facts publicly as well.
Bene – I so appreciate your heart for truth and accuracy and so my hope is that you will appreciate a couple fact checks I am bringing.
As a matter of fact you all seem to have very sincere hearts (or at least I am choosing to give you the benefit of the doubt on that). Thank you for your desire for truth and integrity. It is mine as well. As long as we all desire truth and operate in love (Eph 4:15), we will do well.
I did want to let you know one thing up front however. Prior to your blog I had never heard of NAR or Dominionism. I am not a part of NAR. I do not know what Dominionism is. However, seems I better find out (LOL!) seeing as you are pretty convinced I am. I’m not affiliated with whatever NAR is though. Just thought you might want to know that fact (which it is).
JOHN –
First off I want to say that the offer to go for coffee still stands – and is extended to any one of you on this blog (in accordance to Mt. 18 that exhorts us to meet face to face if we are offended with a brother (sister)). Any of you can feel free to contact me any time at admin@faytene.ca. This also goes for any of you reading this blog that may have questions for us. We are an open book!
John, I honestly do not remember the incident you keep referencing (which is strange because I don’t know how I would be able to forget such an incident) but I the fact that you are still speaking of it (5 years later?) shows me that you are hurt. I would love to be able to connect with you face to face (with a male pastor present) to talk and pray together so that we can come to Christian unity that would please the heart of God. Let me know. The offer stands and my heart towards you is one of reconciliation and love.
I would also love to chat with any witnesses to this ‘incident’ that I do not remember…this might help me to understand a bit better. So let me know if you have a witness.
I was glad to hear that you came to TheCRY! You said in one of your posts, “…I stood around 10 feet away, at the side and back, that way, I could see them, they would be less likely to see me.â€
I am really sad to hear that you did not come up to say hello. I would of gladly shook your hand and talked with you and answered any questions you had. Seriously.
A little story….
I remember I used to be a little skeptical of Prime Minister Harper (a couple years ago). The media and bloggers were painting him as being a high control freak and cold hearted and I did not know what to think. Around the same time I had the opportunity to meet him. When I shook his hand and looked into his eyes I was shocked by his love and gentleness – it was totally different than how the media was painting him. I walked away from that and said to someone, “Wow, if everyone in the nation could just shake that man’s hand and look in his eyes there would be a very different public opinion of him!â€
I am not saying Harper is perfect. I am just saying that the media and bloggers were painting him with a brush that was harsh and not accurate….when I saw him face to face it was clear.
Some times, that is what we need to do — take the time to look in someone’s eyes and hear their heart. I hope we get to do that one day John. I think we both may be pleasantly surprised…at least I hope so ☺.
Onward.
Here are a couple little fact checks for you….
JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“Then Faytene sais, ‘Heb 12:1 You will have dominions from sea to sea, we will be the answer to, We will be the new Jesus movement dealing with rebels in the marketplace today’.â€
FACT CORRECTION – I wanted to point out that Heb. 12:1 is a totally different scripture. The one you are quoting here is Ps. 72:8.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…[Faytene said], I wish I could find a man that would be married to me that long!â€
FACT CORRECTION – This is a misquote. I said, “I would love to marry a man that would spend his 28th anniversary at a prayer meeting [as Lou and Terese did]!†…. And that is true.
Every Christian woman should desire a man of prayer for her husband!
I have had a few proposals – but none that have won my heart.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“….David Damien, Watchmen for the Nations, a plaque with a clock in it with a saying on it ‘Time for a time in Canada’â€
FACT CORRECTION – This is a misquote. The clock had a nice inscription on it that said, “It is time for family in Canada.†Referring to the generations (young and old) working together to pray for Canada and impact her for Jesus Christ.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…Stacy Campbell, wife of Wes Campbell, an Apostle Steve Osmond, founders of The Cry Canada, painting, Flag, 2 people in Rod Bruchard’s office…â€
FACT CORRECTION – It is Rod Bruinooge, not Rod Bruchard (not sure who that is). Also, there was no reference to Steve Osmond as being an Apostle though we did honour him as the co-founder of TheCRY. Steve is great.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…Arnie Bryant and Apostle of prayer 88 yrs old, a pen…â€
FACT CORRECTION – It is Arne Bryan, not Arnie Bryant. He is 90 years old and he said this from the platform, perhaps you were chatting with someone and did not hear him say this clearly. But he is 90 and he is an wonderful man of prayer.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…First, I prayed while at the Central Public Library “that God would put his full armour on me and direct me as i go to the Cry at Lumbermen’s Archâ€â€¦.â€
OBSERVATION – I just wanted to point out that I noticed that you did not open with “Father†or close with “in the name of Jesus.†Since you seemed to indicate that this was the only proper way to open and close a Christian prayer I wanted to point this out. You might have been praying to the wrong God here John – maybe that is why the atmosphere seemed strange. You were not praying in the name of Jesus before you came but to some other strange God seemingly!
I am of course kidding here but just pointing out that you are not holding to your own standards of critic. The bible calls that hypocracy. That is ok. I see your heart and will not judge you for imperfect language.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #46:
“I’m under the impression now she’s done this to a number of mainly young and vulnerable persons at different Venue events, at various locations not connected to each other with no consequences…â€
QUESTION – I am not sure what you are referring to here but it seems to be an accusation. I am also not totally sure what “this†is.
Anyone who is reading this that I have hurt or offended is very welcome to contact me at admin@faytene.ca and I would be very happy to arrange a way to talk, pray and do whatever I can to reconcile as the Lord Jesus calls us to.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #4:
“…felt they had a prophetic vision about me in 2004 stealing a ring off of a woman s finger which I didnt do
They slandered me and didnt apologizeâ€
E is right (post #39). I did apologize (even though I don’t even remember the incident and don’t know what I am apologizing for really) several times and have offered to go for coffee several times. I am sorry if I, in any way, hurt you John. That is not my heart nor my intention, ever. Though I do not remember the incident I will offer another olive branch of peace right now.
Bless you John.
Thank you E.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #6:
“Now, Faytene Kryskow…say to me, “We’ll phone the Police!â€
FACT CORRECTION – This is a false accusation. I did not even know you were planning on coming to Worship Invasion the night I was there. It was news to me. Someone who had been reading these blogs and saw that you were confirmed on the Facebook event (I believe) spoke to you, but I knew nothing about it.
Like I said, I am still looking for that coffee with you where we can look eye to eye and pray together in the spirit of reconciliation so we can all move forward.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #13:
That I used to fellowship at:
“…West Point Christian Fellowship on MacDonald & W12th in Kitsilano…â€
and
“…lived on 6178 Wales and E49th
FACT CORRECTION – This is not the correct name of the church, nor my correct home address…though admiditly close. I will not give the correction on this one however.
It is freaky that you research single women’s addresses John – especially one you are mad at. Wow. That is a wake up call for me.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #15:
I wrote, “…The Maple Leaf’ about history and intercessory prayer..â€
FACT CORRECTION – Wrong title. It was called “Big Leaf Maple Tree – Vancouver Notes for Informed Intercession†I don’t sell it any more but people are free to photocopy it and pass it around. No charge even though it is a publication I did. It is my joy to sow this research into anyone that wants it.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #13:
“…no record of any Systematic Theological training…â€
FACT CORRECTION – Again, not true. I got a 4.33 (A ) in Bible College and studied systematic theology under my pastor. Also took in many of JI Packers lectures and he preached at our church many times (I noticed you noted him). My theological training is clearly noted on the bio page of my site. Though it is freaky that you know (almost) my home address but did not even take the time to do a simple Google search about my theological training.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #19:
“…did not recognize and give credit to Steve Osmond as the original founder of the Cry…â€
FACT CORRECTION – Again, not true. We honoured Steve publicly in 2006 and continue to…including last Saturday.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST # 15:
“…I met with Jonathan Evans from the Salvation Army War College and he said, “The building is owned by Killarney Community Center who rents it to the Salvation Army and we let Faytene use the building, it sounds like she has doctrinal issues, she wronged you, she’ll never be allowed to use the building again, she now lives in Ottawaâ€
POINT – I know Jonathan very well. I will follow up with him to talk about your conversation with him. Thanks. He prayed at TheCRY regarding the drug issue in Vancouver and Human Trafficking. He and his wife are amazing people.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #27:
Faytene said, “I don’t remember this and am too busy for these petty skirmishesâ€
FACT CORRECTION – Again, a misqote. After I apologized for the incident that I do not even remember (apology on March 23rd, 2009) I exhorted us to but our differences aside and begin focusing on helping others. I said, “…There are too many people out there to touch for us to be wasting time on petty squirmishes….â€
My heart in this was simply to do what many on this blog have been saying – begin looking outward to share the love of Jesus to those around us, not wasting our energy on infighting. That is my heart.
I loved Josie’s comment (comment #43) where she said, “…I think you are all missing the point. What if God shows up and people start to get saved, healed, changed, delivered? Changing their lives for the better. Coming back to Christ….†Awesome post Josie. Thank you for posting in a way that brought the focus back to what this is all about in such a healthy way.
Also loved what Jay said (comment #53), “…I would be blessed to see the church in Canada rise up to pray for each other, instead of mudslinging.†Good word Jay! Great maturity. Thanks.
Jay I am really glad you came and really glad you enjoyed the social justice focus (on Human Trafficking, Drugs, Life etc.). Thanks for coming with an open and unbiased heart. Thank you also for praying with us. When we pray together in Jesus name, the Father will indeed answer. We have seen His faithfulness time and time again. He is so wonderful.
Also E’s comment in #14 was amazing when he said, “…I often wonder what it would look like to have a group of pumped of teenagers and young adults this jazzed up about compassionate outreach and acts of service in Christ’s name….†E, this is exactly why we did the outreach the next day showing love to the city of Vancouver through practical works of kindness!!!!!
It was amazing and many lives were impacted for Jesus Christ on the arts outreach the day after.
Wish you were all there – but it seems some (not all) of you may have been too busy on inaccurate blogging to be doing practical acts of kindness in the name of Christ….not sure…but the blog seemed to be pretty active those days. Wish you would of joined us in showing the love of Jesus to Vancouver.
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TERESE YOU SAID IN POST #20:
“…The house of God has been turned into a marketplace (dependance on mammon – carnal) in our day instead of being a house of prayer (dependance on God – spiritual)…â€
SPECIAL THANKS AND POINT – Sweet comment. It was so cool to be in 11 hours of prayer with people who love Jesus from all over Canada! Nothing but water (by donation for 50 cents) was being sold.
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MEL YOU SAID IN POST #48:
“…This CRY event is nothing more than a whole lot of deception. How can they call down a blessing from God on this nation and it’s leaders who won’t even entertain the issue of the multiple thousands of aborted preborn infants.
 How can they think that they even have a hearing with Our Father when they don’t first call for personal repentance?…â€
FACT CORRECTION – This one is too amazing. We prayed into the issue of abortion for ALMOST AN HOUR and did exactly what you said here Mel: we repented deeply. Post abortive women repented, men, women, young and old…we were all there together repenting.
The misunderstanding level of what TheCRY is on this blog is quite stunning. I am choosing not to be offending, just pointing out the facts. I believe you guys are seekers of truth but are just still on route on a couple facts. If you ever want to check a fact just e-mail us at admin@thecry.ca. Seeing as you are lovers of God I am sure you will take me up on this seeing as the Lord is really clear all throughout scripture that he despises a lying tongue (Proverbs 6:19). So, facts matter to Him seemingly.
BUT…I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS MEL!!!!! Our team had 2 baby saves this week!!! There were 2 separate instances were young pregnant girls came to us. In spite of the busy schedule preparing for TheCRY we were able to pray with them. BOTH OF THEM DECIDED TO KEEP THEIR BABIES!!!!! This was just days before TheCRY.
We are now working with both the girls, one on one, to find resources and look at options (adoption if they want to etc.). ISNT’ THAT COOL!!!! God is so good. So good. He answered so many prayers immediately in so many ways. Sooooo good.
Wish you were there in light of your heart for this issue. You would of loved the prayer time for LIFE and you would of loved to hear Rod Bruinooge speak (he is an MP) about this very important issue.
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TERESE YOU SAID IN POST #31:
“….It must be very hurtful to be accused of something you didn’t do…â€
SPECIAL THANKS AND POINT – Wow. You could not have said it better Terese.
It indeed is very hurtful to be accused of something you didn’t do. I understand that feeling very well after reading through all these posts.
However, I have been very comforted lately by this scripture.
Mt. 11:5 – “…1 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven…â€
As I have been praying for all of you the Lord has been constantly reminding me that I am in wonderful company.
He too was lied about, mis-represented, misunderstood, accused, judged and even accused of being a cult leader by the Pharisees and Saducees!! This was actually their reason for Crucifying Him.
In feeling falsely accused I am comforted by the truth that I am in wonderful company.
The company of Jesus Christ Himself.
Amazing to think about. This should also make us very cautious. If these ones could be deceived during the time of Jesus to the point of crucifying Him, how much more could there be ‘Pharisees’ and ‘Saducees’ of sorts in our midst today. Father protect us all from biting this bait of criticism and offense.
I am being very careful to cultivate great love in my heart (by God’s grace) for each one who has posted inaccuracies.
I don’t know about you guys, but I think that thinking of all this should cause us all to come in the posture that St. Francis so beautifully articulated in this prayer…
Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace;
where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love;
for it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
Amen.
May we all be quick to love, and slow to speak until we know hearts and facts.
BENE – it would be an amazing act of integrity if you would delete all the posts with incorrect facts. It should be pretty easy to find them with my sections above. There were more I could of commented on…but time constrains me.
A QUESTION TO THE READER – If there were this many errors on the above posts factually, is it possible that there are other errors as well on the subjective comments? It is wisdom not to blindly believe everything you read on a blog – go to the source. I would be glad to field any questions anyone has about what we are doing – e-mail admin@thecry.ca.
BENE – it will be an amazing show of character if you allow this post – in it’s entirety – to be posted.
Many blessings to you all. Sincerely. No velvet glove. Just a hug…side hugs for guys ☺.
I have spent a LOT of time on this tonight – because I like you desire that the Body of Christ be accurately informed. I am going to sign off now. There is a 14 year old pregnant girl who needs the love of Jesus and has been waiting to talk to me…so I will now turn my attention to her.
Love in Jesus Christ.
Faytene
My prayer for us:
“Father in heaven I pray for each person reading this blog. I bless them in the name of Jesus. Father we ask for the spirit of love, peace, truth to rule and reign in our hearts. Forgive any one of us if we have spoken in a way that has grieved your heart. Father we desire truth in the inward parts, we desire to please you in all we do, and we desire to be a bright an shining lamp of the love of Christ to all those who would read this blog – even those that do not yet know you. We love you Jesus. Thanks you for all you have done with us and help us to be a loving, kind and mature Body that reflects you to the world. Where we have not acted this way, we now repent and turn from our wicked ways. Where we are not willing to repent, I now ask for your conviction to penetrate our hearts so that we might be willing. Help us look, smell, act, pray, talk…and even blog…just like you would Jesus. Again, we love you Jesus and we pray this in Jesus name. Amen.â€
Hey All,
First off: God bless each of you who has been blogging. 60 posts! Impressive.
Since you have posted your opinions in a public manner here I opted to pop in and clarify a few facts publicly as well.
Bene – I so appreciate your heart for truth and accuracy and so my hope is that you will appreciate a couple fact checks I am bringing.
As a matter of fact you all seem to have very sincere hearts (or at least I am choosing to give you the benefit of the doubt on that). Thank you for your desire for truth and integrity. It is mine as well. As long as we all desire truth and operate in love (Eph 4:15), we will do well.
I did want to let you know one thing up front however. Prior to your blog I had never heard of NAR or Dominionism. I am not a part of NAR. I do not know what Dominionism is. However, seems I better find out (LOL!) seeing as you are pretty convinced I am. I’m not affiliated with whatever NAR is though. Just thought you might want to know that fact (which it is).
JOHN –
First off I want to say that the offer to go for coffee still stands – and is extended to any one of you on this blog (in accordance to Mt. 18 that exhorts us to meet face to face if we are offended with a brother (sister)). Any of you can feel free to contact me any time at admin@faytene.ca. This also goes for any of you reading this blog that may have questions for us. We are an open book!
John, I honestly do not remember the incident you keep referencing (which is strange because I don’t know how I would be able to forget such an incident) but I the fact that you are still speaking of it (5 years later?) shows me that you are hurt. I would love to be able to connect with you face to face (with a male pastor present) to talk and pray together so that we can come to Christian unity that would please the heart of God. Let me know. The offer stands and my heart towards you is one of reconciliation and love.
I would also love to chat with any witnesses to this ‘incident’ that I do not remember…this might help me to understand a bit better. So let me know if you have a witness.
I was glad to hear that you came to TheCRY! You said in one of your posts, “…I stood around 10 feet away, at the side and back, that way, I could see them, they would be less likely to see me.â€
I am really sad to hear that you did not come up to say hello. I would of gladly shook your hand and talked with you and answered any questions you had. Seriously.
A little story….
I remember I used to be a little skeptical of Prime Minister Harper (a couple years ago). The media and bloggers were painting him as being a high control freak and cold hearted and I did not know what to think. Around the same time I had the opportunity to meet him. When I shook his hand and looked into his eyes I was shocked by his love and gentleness – it was totally different than how the media was painting him. I walked away from that and said to someone, “Wow, if everyone in the nation could just shake that man’s hand and look in his eyes there would be a very different public opinion of him!â€
I am not saying Harper is perfect. I am just saying that the media and bloggers were painting him with a brush that was harsh and not accurate….when I saw him face to face it was clear.
Some times, that is what we need to do — take the time to look in someone’s eyes and hear their heart. I hope we get to do that one day John. I think we both may be pleasantly surprised…at least I hope so ☺.
Onward.
Here are a couple little fact checks for you….
JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“Then Faytene sais, ‘Heb 12:1 You will have dominions from sea to sea, we will be the answer to, We will be the new Jesus movement dealing with rebels in the marketplace today’.â€
FACT CORRECTION – I wanted to point out that Heb. 12:1 is a totally different scripture. The one you are quoting here is Ps. 72:8.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…[Faytene said], I wish I could find a man that would be married to me that long!â€
FACT CORRECTION – This is a misquote. I said, “I would love to marry a man that would spend his 28th anniversary at a prayer meeting [as Lou and Terese did]!†…. And that is true.
Every Christian woman should desire a man of prayer for her husband!
I have had a few proposals – but none that have won my heart.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“….David Damien, Watchmen for the Nations, a plaque with a clock in it with a saying on it ‘Time for a time in Canada’â€
FACT CORRECTION – This is a misquote. The clock had a nice inscription on it that said, “It is time for family in Canada.†Referring to the generations (young and old) working together to pray for Canada and impact her for Jesus Christ.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…Stacy Campbell, wife of Wes Campbell, an Apostle Steve Osmond, founders of The Cry Canada, painting, Flag, 2 people in Rod Bruchard’s office…â€
FACT CORRECTION – It is Rod Bruinooge, not Rod Bruchard (not sure who that is). Also, there was no reference to Steve Osmond as being an Apostle though we did honour him as the co-founder of TheCRY. Steve is great.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…Arnie Bryant and Apostle of prayer 88 yrs old, a pen…â€
FACT CORRECTION – It is Arne Bryan, not Arnie Bryant. He is 90 years old and he said this from the platform, perhaps you were chatting with someone and did not hear him say this clearly. But he is 90 and he is an wonderful man of prayer.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #56:
“…First, I prayed while at the Central Public Library “that God would put his full armour on me and direct me as i go to the Cry at Lumbermen’s Archâ€â€¦.â€
OBSERVATION – I just wanted to point out that I noticed that you did not open with “Father†or close with “in the name of Jesus.†Since you seemed to indicate that this was the only proper way to open and close a Christian prayer I wanted to point this out. You might have been praying to the wrong God here John – maybe that is why the atmosphere seemed strange. You were not praying in the name of Jesus before you came but to some other strange God seemingly!
I am of course kidding here but just pointing out that you are not holding to your own standards of critic. The bible calls that hypocracy. That is ok. I see your heart and will not judge you for imperfect language.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #46:
“I’m under the impression now she’s done this to a number of mainly young and vulnerable persons at different Venue events, at various locations not connected to each other with no consequences…â€
QUESTION – I am not sure what you are referring to here but it seems to be an accusation. I am also not totally sure what “this†is.
Anyone who is reading this that I have hurt or offended is very welcome to contact me at admin@faytene.ca and I would be very happy to arrange a way to talk, pray and do whatever I can to reconcile as the Lord Jesus calls us to.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #4:
“…felt they had a prophetic vision about me in 2004 stealing a ring off of a woman s finger which I didnt do
They slandered me and didnt apologizeâ€
E is right (post #39). I did apologize (even though I don’t even remember the incident and don’t know what I am apologizing for really) several times and have offered to go for coffee several times. I am sorry if I, in any way, hurt you John. That is not my heart nor my intention, ever. Though I do not remember the incident I will offer another olive branch of peace right now.
Bless you John.
Thank you E.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #6:
“Now, Faytene Kryskow…say to me, “We’ll phone the Police!â€
FACT CORRECTION – This is a false accusation. I did not even know you were planning on coming to Worship Invasion the night I was there. It was news to me. Someone who had been reading these blogs and saw that you were confirmed on the Facebook event (I believe) spoke to you, but I knew nothing about it.
Like I said, I am still looking for that coffee with you where we can look eye to eye and pray together in the spirit of reconciliation so we can all move forward.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #13:
That I used to fellowship at:
“…West Point Christian Fellowship on MacDonald & W12th in Kitsilano…â€
and
“…lived on 6178 Wales and E49th
FACT CORRECTION – This is not the correct name of the church, nor my correct home address…though admiditly close. I will not give the correction on this one however.
It is freaky that you research single women’s addresses John – especially one you are mad at. Wow. That is a wake up call for me.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #15:
I wrote, “…The Maple Leaf’ about history and intercessory prayer..â€
FACT CORRECTION – Wrong title. It was called “Big Leaf Maple Tree – Vancouver Notes for Informed Intercession†I don’t sell it any more but people are free to photocopy it and pass it around. No charge even though it is a publication I did. It is my joy to sow this research into anyone that wants it.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #13:
“…no record of any Systematic Theological training…â€
FACT CORRECTION – Again, not true. I got a 4.33 (A ) in Bible College and studied systematic theology under my pastor. Also took in many of JI Packers lectures and he preached at our church many times (I noticed you noted him). My theological training is clearly noted on the bio page of my site. Though it is freaky that you know (almost) my home address but did not even take the time to do a simple Google search about my theological training.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #19:
“…did not recognize and give credit to Steve Osmond as the original founder of the Cry…â€
FACT CORRECTION – Again, not true. We honoured Steve publicly in 2006 and continue to…including last Saturday.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST # 15:
“…I met with Jonathan Evans from the Salvation Army War College and he said, “The building is owned by Killarney Community Center who rents it to the Salvation Army and we let Faytene use the building, it sounds like she has doctrinal issues, she wronged you, she’ll never be allowed to use the building again, she now lives in Ottawaâ€
POINT – I know Jonathan very well. I will follow up with him to talk about your conversation with him. Thanks. He prayed at TheCRY regarding the drug issue in Vancouver and Human Trafficking. He and his wife are amazing people.
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JOHN YOU SAID IN POST #27:
Faytene said, “I don’t remember this and am too busy for these petty skirmishesâ€
FACT CORRECTION – Again, a misqote. After I apologized for the incident that I do not even remember (apology on March 23rd, 2009) I exhorted us to but our differences aside and begin focusing on helping others. I said, “…There are too many people out there to touch for us to be wasting time on petty squirmishes….â€
My heart in this was simply to do what many on this blog have been saying – begin looking outward to share the love of Jesus to those around us, not wasting our energy on infighting. That is my heart.
I loved Josie’s comment (comment #43) where she said, “…I think you are all missing the point. What if God shows up and people start to get saved, healed, changed, delivered? Changing their lives for the better. Coming back to Christ….†Awesome post Josie. Thank you for posting in a way that brought the focus back to what this is all about in such a healthy way.
Also loved what Jay said (comment #53), “…I would be blessed to see the church in Canada rise up to pray for each other, instead of mudslinging.†Good word Jay! Great maturity. Thanks.
Jay I am really glad you came and really glad you enjoyed the social justice focus (on Human Trafficking, Drugs, Life etc.). Thanks for coming with an open and unbiased heart. Thank you also for praying with us. When we pray together in Jesus name, the Father will indeed answer. We have seen His faithfulness time and time again. He is so wonderful.
Also E’s comment in #14 was amazing when he said, “…I often wonder what it would look like to have a group of pumped of teenagers and young adults this jazzed up about compassionate outreach and acts of service in Christ’s name….†E, this is exactly why we did the outreach the next day showing love to the city of Vancouver through practical works of kindness!!!!!
It was amazing and many lives were impacted for Jesus Christ on the arts outreach the day after.
Wish you were all there – but it seems some (not all) of you may have been too busy on inaccurate blogging to be doing practical acts of kindness in the name of Christ….not sure…but the blog seemed to be pretty active those days. Wish you would of joined us in showing the love of Jesus to Vancouver.
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TERESE YOU SAID IN POST #20:
“…The house of God has been turned into a marketplace (dependance on mammon – carnal) in our day instead of being a house of prayer (dependance on God – spiritual)…â€
SPECIAL THANKS AND POINT – Sweet comment. It was so cool to be in 11 hours of prayer with people who love Jesus from all over Canada! Nothing but water (by donation for 50 cents) was being sold.
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MEL YOU SAID IN POST #48:
“…This CRY event is nothing more than a whole lot of deception. How can they call down a blessing from God on this nation and it’s leaders who won’t even entertain the issue of the multiple thousands of aborted preborn infants.
 How can they think that they even have a hearing with Our Father when they don’t first call for personal repentance?…â€
FACT CORRECTION – This one is too amazing. We prayed into the issue of abortion for ALMOST AN HOUR and did exactly what you said here Mel: we repented deeply. Post abortive women repented, men, women, young and old…we were all there together repenting.
The misunderstanding level of what TheCRY is on this blog is quite stunning. I am choosing not to be offending, just pointing out the facts. I believe you guys are seekers of truth but are just still on route on a couple facts. If you ever want to check a fact just e-mail us at admin@thecry.ca. Seeing as you are lovers of God I am sure you will take me up on this seeing as the Lord is really clear all throughout scripture that he despises a lying tongue (Proverbs 6:19). So, facts matter to Him seemingly.
BUT…I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS MEL!!!!! Our team had 2 baby saves this week!!! There were 2 separate instances were young pregnant girls came to us. In spite of the busy schedule preparing for TheCRY we were able to pray with them. BOTH OF THEM DECIDED TO KEEP THEIR BABIES!!!!! This was just days before TheCRY.
We are now working with both the girls, one on one, to find resources and look at options (adoption if they want to etc.). ISNT’ THAT COOL!!!! God is so good. So good. He answered so many prayers immediately in so many ways. Sooooo good.
Wish you were there in light of your heart for this issue. You would of loved the prayer time for LIFE and you would of loved to hear Rod Bruinooge speak (he is an MP) about this very important issue.
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TERESE YOU SAID IN POST #31:
“….It must be very hurtful to be accused of something you didn’t do…â€
SPECIAL THANKS AND POINT – Wow. You could not have said it better Terese.
It indeed is very hurtful to be accused of something you didn’t do. I understand that feeling very well after reading through all these posts.
However, I have been very comforted lately by this scripture.
Mt. 11:5 – “…1 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven…â€
As I have been praying for all of you the Lord has been constantly reminding me that I am in wonderful company.
He too was lied about, mis-represented, misunderstood, accused, judged and even accused of being a cult leader by the Pharisees and Saducees!! This was actually their reason for Crucifying Him.
In feeling falsely accused I am comforted by the truth that I am in wonderful company.
The company of Jesus Christ Himself.
Amazing to think about. This should also make us very cautious. If these ones could be deceived during the time of Jesus to the point of crucifying Him, how much more could there be ‘Pharisees’ and ‘Saducees’ of sorts in our midst today. Father protect us all from biting this bait of criticism and offense.
I am being very careful to cultivate great love in my heart (by God’s grace) for each one who has posted inaccuracies.
I don’t know about you guys, but I think that thinking of all this should cause us all to come in the posture that St. Francis so beautifully articulated in this prayer…
Lord, make me an instrument of Thy peace;
where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.
O Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood, as to understand;
to be loved, as to love;
for it is in giving that we receive,
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
and it is in dying that we are born to Eternal Life.
Amen.
May we all be quick to love, and slow to speak until we know hearts and facts.
BENE – it would be an amazing act of integrity if you would delete all the posts with incorrect facts. It should be pretty easy to find them with my sections above. There were more I could of commented on…but time constrains me.
A QUESTION TO THE READER – If there were this many errors on the above posts factually, is it possible that there are other errors as well on the subjective comments? It is wisdom not to blindly believe everything you read on a blog – go to the source. I would be glad to field any questions anyone has about what we are doing – e-mail admin@thecry.ca.
BENE – it will be an amazing show of character if you allow this post to be posted.
Many blessings to you all. Sincerely. No velvet glove. Just a hug…side hugs for guys ☺.
I have spent a LOT of time on this tonight – because I like you desire that the Body of Christ be accurately informed. I am going to sign off now. There is a 14 year old pregnant girl who needs the love of Jesus and has been waiting to talk to me…so I will now turn my attention to her.
Love in Jesus Christ.
Faytene
My prayer for us:
“Father in heaven I pray for each person reading this blog. I bless them in the name of Jesus. Father we ask for the spirit of love, peace, truth to rule and reign in our hearts. Forgive any one of us if we have spoken in a way that has grieved your heart. Father we desire truth in the inward parts, we desire to please you in all we do, and we desire to be a bright an shining lamp of the love of Christ to all those who would read this blog – even those that do not yet know you. We love you Jesus. Thanks you for all you have done with us and help us to be a loving, kind and mature Body that reflects you to the world. Where we have not acted this way, we now repent and turn from our wicked ways. Where we are not willing to repent, I now ask for your conviction to penetrate our hearts so that we might be willing. Help us look, smell, act, pray, talk…and even blog…just like you would Jesus. Again, we love you Jesus and we pray this in Jesus name. Amen.â€
Hi Faytene:
These are called comments, (in the comment section under a post) not posts or blogs.
Thanks for spending time giving other commenters your careful attention.
I think you deserve the opportunity to discuss your concerns with others, don’t you?
Likewise, don’t you believe they deserve to address your fact checking and concers with you?
Fact checking is certainly not a threatening action, it’s encouraged and you are welcome to take all the time you need.
You are asking me for two things: “…it would be an amazing act of integrity if you would delete all the posts with incorrect facts. It should be pretty easy to find them with my sections above.”
I strongly disagree.
Are you suggesting you see censoring, deleting, denying, purging as integrity?
To disagree, refute, discuss, debate, consider, present, – with transparenty, openess and honesty demonstrates integrity. (adherence to moral and ethical principles)
To remove and delete others thoughts, opinions, feelings, experiences and beliefs is dishonourable, faithless, bias, unjust, inequal and disrespectful.
It would be wrong, disporportionist, and imbalanced on my part.
Are you asking me to show you favourtism and partiality?
I do not believe that is how people of good will and self-respect communicate and it is not how BDBO is run.
Your second request – “it will be an amazing show of character if you allow this post to be posted.”
Given your freedom to comment at will at BDBO in the past; why would you believe your comments would not be posted?
Walter: Your comment has been deleted. Please stick to post topic. If readers are interested they can follow the links provided in the post. Thank you – BD
Hey Bene – thanks for accepting the posting!
Nite everyone….sweet dreams and God bless you.
Faytene
I was quite pleased to see Faytene address almost each and every comment on this blog that was directed toward her. There are many people that would never ever take the time to do so. Whatever your opinion of the CRY or theological positions, I truly believe that act needs to be honored.
I also did not realize that John had posted her (almost) personal home address. I am not familiar with Vancouver or street names/numbers and did not catch that. I truly hope that readers and Bene can and will catch that quicker in the future, because that just doesn’t feel right.
I also hope that the personal run down of the situation between Faytene and John can be resolved. If he is not willing to meet with her in face, then I just don’t see the good to continue to re-tell the details of the event that she has apologized numerous times for. I hope that perhaps Bene might moderate that in the future. I would hate to see the integrity of this blog lost because one individual continues to re-post something.
I will continue to say that theologically, I don’t always agree with some of the methods of the gang at 4mycanada, but I don’t think that gives me or anyone else the right to then act in an un-Christlike manner. If any of my postings ever smacked of a lack of humbleness, gentleness or love, I am truly sorry. I hope that we as truth seekers really remember what “the truth in love” means in our lives.
I hate to say it, but I think if this thing doesn’t get resolved with the negative posting, I may be unsubsribing to the blog and will cease to comment. It is leaving me with a yucky feeling…
Faytene:
You’re welcome.
Thanks E. Fixed.
I’m trying to pack in outdoor time, summer is short here, and I apologize for my inattentiveness.
There is an open policy at BDBO, if you see typos, mistakes by me, or comments by others which do not adhere to the site policy under About, pipe up.
John – no personal information about others okay?
… forgiveness and Love….
“Are you suggesting you see censoring, deleting, denying, purging as integrity?
To disagree, refute, discuss, debate, consider, present, – with transparenty, openess and honesty demonstrates integrity. (adherence to moral and ethical principles)”
She is just asking your to “correct inaccuracies”.
Kind of a straw man argument you got going there. Faytene did not imply censoring = integrity at all.
It seems very clear to me, that what she is really trying to say is, “It would show integrity (not to mention humility) to correct inaccuracies if someone has pointed them out to us”
If you believe these are still accurate, then it might be nice to explain why, and then keep them on your blog.
All in all…. I have you two reconcile.
There’s something not quite right.
Umm.. Bene, I hope you take down the address. …
-richard
Hi Richard:
Yep, it’s gone. I appreciate E and you pointing that out.
I hear Faytene asking me to remove commenters who may not have facts straight, don’t agree with elements of TheCry, have theological and cultural concerns, or feelings to express.
Did I hear the request incorrectly?
I think any commenter is perfectly able to address their own concerns, ask others to correct misinformation or misconceptions directly and discuss disagreement.
Ms. Krystkow stated nationally she believes this is a ‘hate-blog.’
Thats fine, the link has been provided, people can make their own decisions.
I can appreciate open and free-wheeling discussion on a blog is new to many people who may find it initially challenging. I can only encourage you to jump in – if you disagree with something, say so.
“If you believe these are still accurate, then it might be nice to explain why”
Good point.
I think it’s between Ms. Krystow and commenters.
I missed the address being put up, and I apologize to Faytene for not catching it.
People who attended the event can discuss errors and perceptions openly, which is being done without interference.
Reconcile:
to win over to friendliness, to compose or settle, to bring into agreement or harmony; make compatible or consistent…
I’m not clear about what you think I need to reconcile.
Care to elaborate?
John:
In fairness to you, I’ll take the flack on this.
I do not believe there was any intent to harm on your part.
There is no intent to harm on mine.
The tricky balance of private and public information…
On the copyright page of Stand On Guard by Faytene C. Kryskow this is what is written:
ISBN 0-9737510-0-2
6717 Wales St.
Vancouver, BC, Canada, V5S 2R7.
Printed in Canada.
Independently published with Credo Publishing.
All rights reserved, etc. etc.
I don’t know what is on the copyright page of Marked: A Generation of Dread Champions Rising To Shift Nations
Faytene: Why do you keep insisting J.P. meet with you on your own terms as though you were challenging him to a duel? Probably he sees the futility of such a meeting since you can’t confess and repent of the harm you have done him until you remember it. Nor are you certain enough of yourself to be able to categorically deny it. So, I just don’t see the point there..
I have many concerns about your ministry but I think I’ll just narrow it down to one since this encapsulates the rest: I notice you have a fondness for quoting Catholic ’saints’, and one quote in particular concerns me – it’s the one by Joan of Arc that you have put on the Home page of your website that seems to be the hallmark of your ministry and life:
“Every man gives his life for what he believes and every woman gives her life for what she believes. Sometimes people believe in little or nothing and they give their lives to that little or nothing. One life is all we have. We live it and it is gone. But to live without faith is more terrible than dying, even more terrible than dying young.†Joan of Arc
Without even going into the probems I have with Joan of Arc herself, I’m concerned because you place importance on this saying of hers, which is an example of carnal human thought missing the mark, and in this case even contradicts scripture. While faith is a wonderful and necessary gift, doesn’t the word of God say that “To live is Christ, to die is gain.â€? Believers do not live for faith, we live for Christ. And dying does not seem so terrible after all according to His word. This quote comes across to my hearing as being prideful and intimidating and an open door to “purpose-driven†false Christianity – I’m sorry that anyone who purports to be a Christian and a minister of the gospel would choose to have this emblazoned as the emblem of their ministry rather than God’s word.
Canadian Christianity has edited the August 20th article by Lloyd Mackey on TheCry Vancouver, which is their perogative.
The reference I used in comment 69 above has been removed from Mr. Mackey’s article.
I want to be very clear I did not contact the magazine, I have no problem with Ms. Krystow’s impression of BDBO; while I’m sorry she feels that way; Canadian Christianity writers, editors and readers were initially able to follow the link to BDBO and draw their own conclusion.
I have no problem with editorial decisions Canadian Christianity chooses to make, I was honoured Mr. Mackey used BDBO to reference Ms. Krystow’s opinion.
The (comment #69) quoted paragraph read:
“While the general tenor of Christian leadership response to the CRY event was positive, Kryskow said she has periodically had to battle what she described as “hate-blogging” linking her to allegedly dominionist and theocratic-based American-based organizations such as the New Apostolic Revolution. Her past links with Lou Engle, head of TheCALL, and former Canadian Patricia King of Extreme Prophetic has provided some fodder for the allegations, coming from such blogs as Bene Diction Blogs On.”
The edited version of the article now provides a link to an explanation of dominionism.
“While the general tenor of Christian leadership response to the CRY event was positive, Kryskow said she has periodically had to battle what she described as “hate-blogging” linking her to allegedly dominionist and theocratic-based American-based organizations such as the New Apostolic Revolution. Her past links with Lou Engle, head of TheCALL, and former Canadian Patricia King of Extreme Prophetic has provided some fodder for the allegations.”
Anybody who was and is associated with Patricia King or Todd Bentley should have their heads examined as they are not all there!
Hi Walter: The rest of your comment has been deleted. While you are entitled to you opinion, stick to the issue. Thanks – BD
As I was at the Central Library praying before the Cry, I did not type the whole prayer but a summary of what I prayed.
I usually start a prayer with Our Father and always end in Jesus name
There are Prayers started with God, Almighty and Everlasting God, Creator God, God the Father, Creator of heaven and earth in the Anglican Book of Common Prayer that end in Jesus name.
I end up investigating and researching a number of things and enjoy watching documentaries as well
Usually, things go rather smoothly for me too
It is good if a person follows closely is usually admired by whoever is speaking
If and when they were alarmed at me, I knew there was something wrong was a red flag.
The way in which alarmed reactions can be expressed is also shocking for me and has probably happened to others
On the websight Faytene Kryskow had made for her, she put the address for a Vancouver mailing address for her ministry
If one wants to be more discreet about that sort of things, one can always get a Post Office Box
I arrived at Lumbermen’s Arch at around 5pm and stayed till around 7pm
While there, I took listened as closely as I could and took notes of what I believe I heard.
I’m not a newspaper reporter and did not carry a tape recorder with me, so I made the best of what I had
There was so much going on that mistakes can happen with what speakers say.
Also, things are not always heard clearly either, so, it can happen both ways
These groups were a new thing to me in 2004 and this has all been quite a learning experience about the New Apostolic Revolution, Apostolic Prophetic Movement, Dominionisn and Joel’s Army and their dynamics.
Matt 18 has verses involving communication which are good providing all parties have the commitment and ownership to follow them.
One person’s commented about situations going beyond Matt 18 going to 1 Tim 5:19
There is the verse ‘Bless them that curse you’
But, a person at my church said to me, ‘You should pray they’ll be convicted of their sins’
I thought it was about time somebody took this information out into the open.
What gets me is why do some groups like to harm others for no reason?
It seems to me, they feel they can keep being this way without consequences as well does not make sense to me.
But, learning about their history, I now see why.
It does not help with a number of different Christian groups that don’t always communicate well when problems arise could be solved with good communication
But with these above mentioned groups and what they stand for is newer information to me
These groups seemed to be investigated
Who is associated with the above groups and do they admit they are a part?
It they do not admit this and the reasons for why this is so is food for thought and seeds for reflection
Now, some of my quotes are in Canadian Christianity August 20th article
In the Anglican Agenda Series about ‘The Holy Spirit’ by J.I.Packer mentions Psalm 139: 23,24 is the purpose of the Holy Spirit to search us through the scriptures.
Typed earlier about the person who talked to me about ‘praying for the convictions of a persons’ sins also mentioned J.I.Packer had conversations with the above groups mentioned here and does not agree with them about persons on earth to reoccupy the long vacant offices of the Apostles and Prophets.
J.I. Packer is a Professor of Systematic Theology is now retired from Regent College at UBC Vancouver, British Columbia
He was raised in the Church of England
An article in Crux mentioned him as an Evangelical Churchman
Therese #71
If one admitted what they’d done to me, after they’d done it, they
would probably dread the consequences maybe for future ministry
At the same time, it is easy to get rid of someone like me,
somehow, that is looking too closely for their comfort over what
appears, at first to be nothing more than a more alternative
version of contemporary non-denominational Charismatic
Christianity; furthermore, at first, I could sense something -a little
different- about the atmosphere in these places seemed a little bit
more high-spirited and a little bit more clearer in a way that was
missing some sort of substance.
So, going back here to 2004 for you:
March 2004 Worship Invasion University Chapel UBC
May 2004 Fresh Fire Abbotsford Pentecostal Church
June 2004 Worship Invasion Peace Portal Alliance, Surrey
(This is where it happended very fast)
“Do you know you are never allowed to go to a Fresh Fire Conference again because (you prayed over a woman and took the ring off of her finger) ? ”
I did no such thing and the accusation said to me was talked so fast is a form of talking down to controll.
This was so strange, I just froze
From there, it got ugly and nobody apologized or resolved
Nobody wanted to admit anything, communicate or have any attitude of commitment or ownership
Later in June 2004 Extreme Prophetic Cordial Hall Pender & Templeton, E Vancouver (run by Faytene Kryskow)
Faytene Kryskow somehow knew my name but I’d never personally told it to her
Standing on a public sidewalk near the Cordial Hall that is owned by Killarney Community Center who rents it out to the Salvation Army War College who let her use it.
She said, “John Paysar, I don’t like you, you’re standing on private property, we own the building, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus”
She starts to try and shove me down the sidewalk
After this, I started to become suspicious of these groups and
started to see what I could research about them
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The parts of this movement that I have seen rely a lot on fairy-tale vain imaginations, including I have noticed a lot of imagery of “knights” and such-like from the middle ages. One of these vain imaginations is the cinderella dream that they’ll wake up one morning to miraculously find millions of dollars in their bank accounts, or something similar. This kind of thinking really could be the reason some have been easy prey for too-good-to-be-true-get-rich-schemes! But I think the story of Joseph in the bible paints a more realistic picture, a living parable, of what the Lord means by “the wealth of the sinner is stored up for the righteous.” During a time of famine, God’s people the Israelites travelled to Egypt and were sustained on the stored grain that had been produced on the backs of the pagan Egyptians, and set aside and distributed by Joseph to his people as they had need. (Joseph of course was a type of Jesus Christ, our faithful Shepherd who provides for His sheep).
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Therese – You are right on about one of these vain imaginations is the Cinderella dream that they’ll wake up one morning to miraculously find millions of dollars in their bank accounts,
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Amen, brother Walter – salvation costs us the same as it cost Jesus! We have to fulfill our part of the covenant in order to participate in it.
And I forgot to mention about my little story above (#80) that the Lord also showed me that the person in my story has classic characteristics of Narcisistic Personality Disorder (she had suffered abuse as a child). Mental illness is also a part of this whole delusional scenario! Look at Todd Bentley – that he is a person with a lot of issues is obvious. Adolph Hitler is an example of someone who was adored and willingly followed by so many of his countrymen, and feared, yet he is universally known today as someone who was mentally ill and deluded. I strongly suspect that many of those who rise to the top in the whole movement we’re talking about here have serious mental/emotional issues, and yet ironicaly they are followed by so many.
If I can be indulged just a little longer, on the topic of Joan of Arc, I think I should mention, if I can try to articulate it, that the biggest problem with Joan of Arc that I see is that she mixed faith with worldly endeavour. She was trying to change the world, change circumstances, and willing to use carnal weapons of force and politics to do it, instead of being used by God to change hearts, and using our spiritual weapons of warfare, since we war not against flesh and blood. This is what I’m having my eyes opened to see as being the danger and the biggest error in a nutshell of this whole false prophetic/apostolic movement. This is what Catholicism has done during it’s worst moments in history. I think Joan of Arc unfortunately has been very aptly chosen as the emblem of a ministry that is part of this movement whether knowingly or not.
James Goll in referring above to Faytene, said “In fact, some of these new justice riders are already doing something to reverse the moral decay of society.” Problem is, Christians are called to preach the gospel so that hearts are changed, we are called to be witnesses to grace, not to change the moral climate or anything else about a fallen world that is passing away.
Therese – Right on! I cannot debate with the truth!
Bless you Walter…thanks be unto God who always causeth us to triumph in Christ!
Therese & Walter
Very good research and dialogues
I enjoyed reading what you typed
I’m learning from this very insightfull information
@ Walter & Therese,
I think you’re both right on the mark when you assess the ministry that we are speaking of. The power of God is in His Word. Preach it and hearts and lives will be changed! If every Christian was obedient to the Great Commission, we would see a revival. If even 10% were sharing the biblical gospel of true repentance and faith, we’d see a huge change in the church dynamics. Sadly, less than 2% of us share our faith. Many that do, share a soft gospel, or a wealth and prosperity gospel. Jesus never promised us wealth or health or prosperity. He promised us trials and tribulations. He came to save us from our sins and the resulting wrath of God…not so we could drive a BMW.
If we TRULY believe that the bible is true and that people will be facing the wrath of God on Judgment Day if they don’t have Jesus, how can we NOT warn them? How much do we have to hate someone to not share the gospel with them?
Christians, wake up!!! Preach the gospel as if lives are depending on it…because they do.
Kat – You are right the true, simple gospel of repentance and faith in God and in the finished work of Christ at Calvary is not being preached.
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ex·tort (¹k-stôrt“) tr.v. ex·tort·ed, ex·tort·ing, ex·torts. To obtain from another by coercion or intimidation. –ex·tort“er n. –ex·tor“tive adj.
nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God?
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Faytene K wrote earlier:
“TERESE YOU SAID IN POST #20:
“…The house of God has been turned into a marketplace (dependance on mammon – carnal) in our day instead of being a house of prayer (dependance on God – spiritual)…â€
SPECIAL THANKS AND POINT – Sweet comment. It was so cool to be in 11 hours of prayer with people who love Jesus from all over Canada! Nothing but water (by donation for 50 cents) was being sold.”
Special note for Terese…you may want to look at my post as quoted by BD. A book table and a give-money-or-I-sell-my-house offering on the Friday. Faytene K is being cute here by talking about Saturday alone, and your own point may remain valid
Thanks Rick, I kind of thought most of her comment was in that same vein of trying to catch people in little technicalities instead of grappling with the bigger picture and fundamental issues, which tells me that she doesn’t understand what those are. Unfortunately I see a young lady who has been led astray herself and failed by a church that has lost its way, and is now leading others to turn aside to myths and fables – I never realized how literal that verse of scripture would turn out to be!
Hey Faytene
By the way, I’d typed a summary of the prayer I did pray at the Central Library
The whole prayer is, “God I pray that you’ll put your full armour upon me, this I ask in Jesus name”
I always end my prayers in Jesus name and most of the time I start a prayer with Father or Heavenly Father
So, Faytene, if ‘John sensing a different atmosphere at The Cry, I wonder what God he worships?’ the answer to that is in the above.
The atmosphere I sensed at The Cry is what I sensed after I’d prayed prior to arriving.
When I went to Worship Invasion, Fresh Fire, Exteme Prophetic at Cordial Hall and The Cry, I sensed a different atmosphere at all of those Venue events.
The atmosphere was of a bit of a different clear, was a bit too clear, seemed to be a bit without a certain kind of substance, kind of void and empty. It also seemed kind of high spirited but a bit too high in a different way too
I believe I was trying to be accurate with my notes.
With all that was going on, some of the speakers had probably made some errors in what they’d said.
But Faytene, why do you think you are under so much scutiny by Dennis Gruending ‘Bene Diction’, Rick Hiebert and myself.
Do you admit to being New Apostolic Revolution NAR?
What do you think of NAR?
Do you admit to understanding it?
Rick Hiebert’s critique on you book ‘Stand on Guard’ was very good.
He feels the early Canadian fathers were more interested in being on the foundation of the British Empire
The French tried to colonize Canada to later be by the English
With the last name Kryskow, you sound neither of French or English descent but the name sounds Polish.
So, think, Faytene Kryskow, how might’ve your or others from the same country as your ancestors have been treated in the earlier days in Canadian History compared to today is food for thought and seeds for reflection?
How were English treated verses how others were treated and was it the same?
Why would some people ‘Anglisize’ their names?
“With the last name Kryskow, you sound neither of French or English descent but the name sounds Polish.
So, think, Faytene Kryskow, how might’ve your or others from the same country as your ancestors have been treated in the earlier days in Canadian History compared to today is food for thought and seeds for reflection?”
Nationality or ethnicity is a non-issue John.
Having said that:
In the end of Stand on Guard where Ms. Kystow advertises her products it says: (p.259)
“Faytene is a relative of Calixa Lavailee (the author of the music to O Canada) and David Laton (David is Louis Riel’s descendant)”
Maybe. Maybe not.
Who is going to bother checking?
It’s an advert blurb which touts this supposed heritage and ties to ‘fathers’ of the nation… “We are re-digging ancient wells and claiming them for our King.”
Of course it’s very characteristic of neo-charismania to cast around looking for signs that God is endorsing what they are doing. I know because I used to do the same kind of thing. Even if Faytene were truly related to these folk by the flesh, I would ask her why should that mean anything to God or church, to whose spiritual family I hope we now belong? And redigging ancient wells notwithstanding, doesn’t the Lord also say, “Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past. See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it?” (Is. 43:18-19) The only ancient wells we should be digging up is the Living Water, the only foundations that need dusting off is Jesus Christ and His word, timeless and eternal irregardless of circumstances in the world.
What I found in the bible about the mentioning of wells
Isaiah 12: 3
Therefore, with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
Chain references:
John 4: 10
Jesus answered, and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith unto thee, Give me to drink, thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
John 4: 14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst, but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 7: 37
In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
John 7: 38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water.
Nice work, J.P. – amen, the wells of salvation – those are great scriptures. And I would like to mention that the only foundation in the word of God that the church has besides Jesus is the apostles and prophets. No mention of ‘righteous fathers’ or ‘founding fathers’ nor even the Patriarchs as being a foundation. Dominionists seem to forget or not realize (or maybe for some their understanding is blurred) that Israel is a type of the church, and not a type or example for earthly ethnic or political entities called nations. Scripture says that the things that happened with Israel were written down as an example to the church, which is a spiritual entity, no more political than it is ethnic. Nations in scripture are a type for the lost world. Those that love truth will bring their imaginations/thoughts into obedience to Jesus Christ, by his grace, and through the cross we carry that crucifies fleshly imagination and brings us down to reality (truth).
Isa 28:16 “So this is what the Sovereign Lord says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who trusts will never be dismayed .”
1Cr 3:11 “For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.”
Eph 2:19 “Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.”
When I was at The Cry and what I wished I could’ve done with a group or what a group could do at the next Cry
There should’ve been a taskforce group with a banner handing out tracts and or leaflets out to the attendees at all of the Crys with the media attending as well to let the public know what this groups really stands for.
There was a lot of Security walking around so the group might have to stay just out of the Venue boundaries
One person with a ‘Security’ sign on him was a nice younger fellow from Cedar Grove Baptist Church
Cedar Grove Baptist Church hosts Worship Invasion every new year.
The younger fellow I was talking to wasn’t too crazy about Worship Invasion on the U-Tubes for it does not get too many attending
Worship Invasion advertised The Cry at Lumbermen’s Arch as their next Venue event.
I saw no tell tale signs the any persons from Worship Invasion were there.
Standing about 10′ away the whole time I walked around the outside of the groups saw more older persons than I thought
Because in 2004 Extreme Prophetic said, ‘We’ll phone the Police’ and later on Worship Invasion said, ‘You’re not welcome, this is a private event, if you come we’ll phone the Police’ I kept out of sight. If someone spotted me, I might’ve been grabbed by Security and they might’ve phoned the Police or just played dirty pool and keep tight lipped about it.
If the Police did come, the situation could’ve become quite interesting because the Police could ask them, “Where is -your proof- this person did what you say he did and who saw him?”
I give credit for the leaflets ideas from the Jewish persons attending the 40th Council of the United Church of Canada in Kelowna when the UC was wanting to Boycott Israel.
I give credit to the taskforce group to the masked protesters I see at the Church of Scientology on W Hastings & Richards in Downtown Vancouver when on my way to the Central Branch of the Vancouver Public Library
The attendees I saw at Lumbermen’s Arch looked like very mainstream older Christians thinking everything is just fine.
One older couple said, “We’re partners for the Cry and have monthly direct withdrawals from our Bank Account”
How many of those situations are there?
Ok as a christian who studies the legitimate greats like Ravenhill, Tozer, Wesley and so forth I believe we have strayed from the truth of the bible. The bible is very clear that if we are being led by the Spirit it will lead us into all truth. So biblically we don’t have a lot to misinterpret as long as we are being led by the spirit. I read your remarks and it’s constantly two sides fighting in every arena of christianity. I believe if God was our true focus and we hungered after him we would be a very different tribe of people in this land as ravenhill said. Judge not by appearance but with righteous judgement john 7:24. I do believe we must not lift up people above God and follow God’s words over mans if they conflict. I went to every meeting up to the cry and I found some weird things but at the core God was showing me that a lifestyle of Prayer and fasting is where we need to be. We have nothing to be afraid of if we have the word filled in us that we can discern truth from the flesh. God does want complete dominion, he wants to separate into two camps those who follow him and those who don’t because he did not come to bring peace but a sword to divide. We must be careful. I was under todd bentleys teaching years ago before he ever made it big and both my brother and I also thought he seemed fake. He would wear suits and then come in biker clothes saying he listened to christian rock. It was like a double personality. He never had tattoos or piercings. So do I think he is a complete phony. He could want God so bad but his compulsive lying and fish stories feed the ego that maybe is his low self esteem caused from a trauma in his childhood. He needs to repent and I agree that some men need to be out of ministry for good or a long time. We are so far from understanding true repentance. I found the cry good because it changed my focus on realizing prayer must be a lifestyle as a christian and not just a thing we do here and there. I knew it in the word but Gods spirit confirmed it there. Just like those healing revivals that may be tainted by the leader but people will get healed by their own faith. So Don’t tear it down so badly because there is plenty of good but all our human endeavors pollute God’s work sometimes.
We can either get to intellectual or to spiritual. People are going to hell and we need to get back to a lifestyle of prayer and preaching the true gospel of Christ. Some churches are dead and read the 7 churches in revelation. If you can’t admit we are in a day and age of those churches than maybe your the self righteous that need to repent. I realize that all of us are as guilty as the other and only by the complete regeneration of our soul through the salvation of only Jesus Christ are we truly saved. Not that we said a prayer and live a good lifestyle. Salvation changes us into complete obedience to God and we will be hated for spreading light on the unrighteousness in christians and the sinners. Sin hates when it is brought to light. Go correct your brothers and say I think your doctrine or ways may be off before we completely shut them down as apostate. To be apostate is a very dangerous thing and I will that on no christian to enter that state. My God eternity will be hard for those. I decided I had walked away from God when i let habitual sin rule my life rather than have control through Christ. Many would say your saved if you said a prayer but in my heart I felt God saying I was not. And I moved into true repentance and salvation. My God when God truly moves there will be no questioning it. there are those who take it to far and those who do not do anything. Both are deadly. Let’s come back to The Father and seek his heart and weep for the nations and find true repentance. I must pray my pride down everyday. I know my scriptures but no longer will I use them in arrogance or pride that I have the right way. No I will let God the actual power of God with the spoken word of his scriptures make those that hear also become doers. It’s him that does it not us. He has the right way. He has the salvation. We are tools in his hands, servants of obedience and we must preach to the ends of the earth.
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