Comments on: No Longer Qivering – A woman’s journey from patriarchy

By: Therese

Therese — Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:18:52 +0000

It’s unbelievably horrendous and tragic what happens to Christianity when it is mis-handled, if that’s even the right word. This reminds me so much of Islam – women are nothing but baby-making machines to produce more Muslims, their freedom and personhood is trodden into the ground, and yet most of them have been raised this way and accept the status quo without even realizing they are prisoners and slaves! Another commonality with cults. They are rewarded with self-righteousness for submitting to this situation. I can’t help but feel there are also hidden consequences within families (however they are structured), that what these women suppress in themselves in the way of anger or resentment must bubble up through the cracks somehow, maybe in the way they raise their children, sons especially? And this inadvertently feeds into the cycle of misogynous practices? Good for Kathryn Joyce for perceiving and heeding that voice of truth within her!

By: Bene D

Bene D — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:38:16 +0000

I don’t think there will be a fuss Joel, there is overlap in these movements and while I generalized because of that overlap, this is sub-culture. I don’t think they give a hoot what others think.

When I posted on The Pearl’s that drew attention because a child died and they are about child rearing not large families or patriarchy. The Vision Forum is self centred and nationalistic – a foreign blog isn’t part of their picture or worth their time.

Brances of patriarchy tend to be pocketed in specific geographical areas, tend to come from independent churches and self-indentifying Quiverfull adherants are more interested in going after Joyces book.

I think sites such as Blog on the Lilypad, Bennets, JensGems etc. which help walkaways are apt to get flack.

The TV reality show family beliefs are well documented, so it’s not like anyone has much to say about that.

Some homeschoolers might object, and that’s fair.

By: Sherm

Sherm — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:57:39 +0000

Any extremist movement be it religious or political can only bring harm. Too rich, too poor, too proud, too arrogant, too possessive…

Men do not own women and vice versa. We do not own our children or grandchildren.

Personally I can’t stand watching the Duggers or the Josselins – too much noise. If they want large families what does it matter if they can support them? Just don’t expect the rest of us to follow suit.

By: Joel

Joel — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:46:45 +0000

You know, you’re going to get it, Bene D.

I believe, I may be mistaken, that Quiverfull and the Patriarchial movements maybe be somewhat co-opted with one another. By that, I mean that while some Quiverers support large families, Patriachials have come in and adopted the name, the movement, etc… and thus corrupted the early beginnings of a group which merely supported large families.

I may be wrong – hasn’t happened yet – but what do you think?