Ron Mainse appears on 100 Huntley Street to speak about alleged ponzi scheme

These are my notes of the first public interview the President of Crossroads Christian Communications. Ron and Reynold Mainse were taken off 100 Huntley Street in June after being named as finders in the alleged Gordon Driver/Axcess Automation/Funds ponzi scheme. See CFTC and SEC documents, May 2009. The mistakes and omissions in these notes are mine, for those interested, the full interview will be up at 100 Huntley Street (October 13, 2009) by tomorrow.

Update: The interview is up in three segments on YouTube.
I’m not uploading, it’s posted in Crossroads media channel and requires extra steps, it’s easier for those of you interested to click over.
Part one
Part two
Part three

Post interview -
Jim Cantelon: Anyone who wants to cast stones, go ahead, it will come back on you. I’m glad this is over.

Interview:

Jim: What has come down the last few months? In May this year I was hosting middle of the week, there was an article in local newspaper re: OSC had uncovered ponzi scheme and mentioned a couple of the Mainse brothers had been involved. It caused quite a stir, was a jolt to the system. I read a statement from the board. a lot of you were hurt, angry disturbed and confused. It’s a long and sometimes painfully slow process, a lot of blogging going on, a lot of misinformation, disinformation.*
I have been a friend of the Mainse family for many many years, I still believe I have a role to represent you. (viewers)
What was the situation as you saw it?

Ron: I made some poor judgement calls, the bottom line is back about about a year and a half ago, I made the mistake of saying yes to a friend of mine, I used poor judgement, I jumped in without doing due diligence. Ann and I invested, we were told this is such a wonderful opportunity, others at my recommendation joined.
I made the mistake of accepting a percentage, a commission, not realizing at the time your supposed to have a licence. Misjudgement, mistakes on top of the other, then the case made against this friend that it was a ponzi scheme. That was a day I’ll never forget.

Jim: Promising you 5% a week?

Ron: I think my judgement was clouded by my relationship with this guy, (Gordon Driver and/or David Rutledge?) we’d known each other for 30 years. He said the motivation was for God’s purposes, they didn’t want greed, they wanted people who were kingdom minded.

Jim: Was the appeal to donor dollars and personal wealth?

Ron: We thought it would be great to be mortgage free, pay the kids education.

Jim:It never occurred to you it was too good to be true?

Ron: I was pretty naive, I had no reason to question the integrity of this friend.

Jim: Do you feel this friend was using you?

Ron:Yeah.

Jim: What about those who invested with you?

Ron: There were probably 40 to 50 who invested, mostly family and friends, we never put out anything to staff, it was mostly word of mouth, there were some staff but we were not actively soliciting.

Jim: They all crashed with you?

R: I can’t tell you how deeply grieved I am, some losing significant amounts of savings. By God’s grace I’ll be forgiven.

Jim: What kind of feedback have you been getting?

Ron: Family and friends, followers of Jesus, no negative feedback; they understand how this came about. Things like I know you didn’t have any idea of what was going on, you only had good intentions.

Jim: No criminal intent?

Ron: What I have done already, anything that I have received has gone into a trust fund with the legal firm I’m working with, we, Ann and I, lost what we invested. Full restitution has been done.
Working with the legal firm, as I understand it, the OSC will be able to recover funds, at some point this fund will be used to pay back a portion of what people lost.

Jim: How has this changed you?

Ron: It’s hard to think back to that day, just shock, the level of feelings of betrayal, what have I done, you feel terrible.
I didn’t know what to do for awhile, we were numb, we prayed, couldn’t sleep, couldn’t eat, total shock to the system, my mind was going, I should have got some counsel, even at the risk of jeopardizing a friendship, should have gotten legal and investment advice, I took everything at face value. The only place is you can turn at that point is God’s word, you can’t do anything on your own, you need the comfort of His word.
The night before you read the statement (100 Huntley Street June 6) I was weeping, knowing that this is serious, this is something I’ve done and have to take full responsibility for, it had affected others, the repercussions of what I’ve done in my life and the ministry, I’m laid bare before you God, and it was an opportunity to be totally available to God. What is the purpose God? Where did I go off track? There were precious prayer times, Ann and I are closer as a couple.

Jim: Did you feel unfairly dealt with? By the board, by God?

Ron: I did feel sorry for myself, I thought it would be easier if I’d been another line of work, there was the support of my family and viewers, the outpouring of support of love. Ann would tell me, “We are praying, we miss you.” In the midst of the low feelings as well it has brought me strength.

Jim: What would you say to the angry viewers out there in the blogosphere*, things like we’re let down again, how much are they making, is this a family business, are we being manipulated? You’re gone, you’ve lost trust?

Ron:I don’t have much to say, I don’t want to defend myself or make excuses, I don’t want to make myself better than I am, I’ve seen my flaws.
I’ve fallen on the mercy of God, I need Your grace, I need You to use me in the future if it’s Your will.

Jim: What do you see in the future?

Ron: I felt the Lord dropping into my heart that the best is yet to come, He wants to bring a full release of the call in my life, if I can come out of this a little more pure, I’m already looking back and seeing Gods hand in allowing this.
I can be closer to him, empathize, I can see God’s Word is speaking to me, I have to rely on that, more depending on Him, new depth in ministry, a full release of His anointing in my life.

Jim: We don’t learn from our successes we learn from our failures. Very few have gone through the deep waters you have which you are still resolving. What single verse of scripture has spoken to you?

Ron: Romans 8:28, now has a new depth of meaning.
Also I do feel called, I do love God more than ever, the good must be on it’s way. 11 Cor. 4: 7-15.
I believe there have been a lot of unseen battles going on around this issue, I believe the enemy has been looking for years to get a hook into this ministry; that was part of my weeping on my face.
The battle is the Lord’s. I’m confident He is going to give strength personally and for Crossroads, the battles are going to heat up in the world, we need to be diligent.

Jim: We didn’t discuss this interview ahead of time, I felt I should just sit down with a friend, whether you (viewers) pro-Ron or anti-Ron, pro-Crossroads or anti Crossroads, pro Christ or not knowing Christ, your issues have been addressed.

Jim Cantelon then prayed/preached at the camera with his eyes and blessed Ron and Crossroads.

Ron: I want to say thankyou for stepping in, we appreciate that, we appreciate viewers and support. Next week (you and dad? David Mainse) are hosting the membership drive.

* Here is a timeline of events, and a timeline of media.  I count 11 Canadian blogs who posted on this alleged religious affinity fraud.  I have to respectfully disagree with Jim Cantelon’s premise there has been a lot of coverage for a media ministry; the acknowledgement show hosts were finders in an alleged ponzi scheme affecting over 100 mostly Canadian investors didn’t get much attention.
Bloggers have found this a very difficult topic (I certainly have) and I respectfully disagree with the assertion there has been a lot of blogs covering a large Canadian media ministry.
The expected rancour, the charity’s silence, the polarization of opinion, and the content of covering an alleged ponzi scheme affecting what is billed as Canada’s longest running Christian TV show has been difficult.
100 Huntley Street/Crossroads Christian Communications has not gotten much attention from blogs at all. Other than financial blogs in the US carrying the SEC/CFTC information, unless I have missed some online activity, there has been very little blog action or re-action in Canada. Given this is a financial investigation, misinformation is a given,  I believe the few bloggers who have attempted to cover this event have been careful to correct what scant information was put out.
As for media, Canadian Christianity, ChristianWeek and Maranatha News covered facts appropriately, other media ran a wire piece referring to Crossroads as a church instead of a charity. The local paper Jim Cantelon refers to is The Hamilton Spectator which broke the story in Canada May 21st. You can find all the coverage in the timelines.

Ron and Ann Mainse are returning to host the show, there has been no word on when Reynold and Kathy Mainse will return to air, or whether they have resumed their responsibilities at the charity.

Comments are open.

Update: Mark Peterson of Open Hands who was one of a couple of bloggers willing to broach this subject earlier this year says he is struck by the impact on so many people.  As a charity expert he gave advice to donors and ended with:

Possible positive outcomes?  If anything, I am hoping for an organization which is transparent, accessible, and though fallible, authentic.  I want to hear the full story, the humbling story; not one coated with religious mumbo-jumbo where image is more valued than substance.  That’s where this story began; it doesn’t need to end there.

After watching the October 13th interview with Ron Mainse, Petersen urges grace:

What is reinforced to me after watching is that all involved in such schemes are negatively impacted.  Ron has indicated he has made full restitution for any fees earned through this scheme; he is bearing the sad consequences of his actions.  Our response now: extend grace to this man, as well as to all who have been impacted through these events.

3 blogs, a few hundred  interview video views, no media.
Sad consequences. There is going to be a lot of grace needed.
So many have been impacted…

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54 Responses to Ron Mainse appears on 100 Huntley Street to speak about alleged ponzi scheme

  1. Torontonian says:

    Ron admits to being “pretty naive” and that’s close to the truth. Yet, he is the better educated of the two sons. Evangel University in the USA is not recognised as a source of brilliance. Union Theological Seminary, it isn’t.

    Reynold is the media smart globe-trotting missionary in front of a camera. How many times a year does
    he travel to far-flung places and bring back appeals for funds? He and his wife must incur great expenses when travelling so many times each year. That’s money better invested in the field and to the people.
    Heaven’s Rehearsal obviously did not happen this year and the next one is scheduled for Africa next year.

    I see Reynold in the field and behind media efforts and Ron coming back to ministry. I see both of them in ministry, with Ron before the camera on a near-daily basis and Reynold with the media company.

    But I see neither of them in any executive position for at least 5 years–if the entire operation lasts that long.

    CTS, Crossroads and 100 Huntley Street have been very guarded with their words and now they are
    paying a heavy price.

    Even non-financially, this Ponzi scheme has hurt many people and nearly nobody escaped unhurt.

  2. Imagine if you went before a Judge for going through a red light at a busy intersection and told the Judge you were ignorant of the light! The Judge would put you away in a loony bin!

    Does Ron think people are that stupid to accept his naive excuse when when he is supposed to be an educated person occupying an executive position and drawing a good salary?

    And of course Ron said nothing about restitution for the real victims he has created? How Christian of him!

    A naive person like Ron should never be an executive of anything and should go and get a job at Mc Donalds serving people even though his father founded the ministry!

    But nepotism is alive in well in many Pentecostal ministries and churches?

  3. Bene D says:

    No one escapes unhurt.
    I need to watch this again, if Ron is saying he drew in 40-50 people, add those into the ones Reynold drew in, the brothers have acknowledged most of the Axcess investors were hurt by their association with Crossroads.
    That’s ‘pretty naive.’

    He is honest about his shock. I had a moment of shock when Canadian Christianity corrected it’s information on Ron and Reynold Mainse not having the investment training originally believed.
    I had no idea Crossroad management was so untrained, spiritualizing isn’t going to fix that reality.

    Evangel University – Ron has a minor in business and a major in biblical studies.
    Bible school is a buffer, a place to go head-hunt for the spouse. You are correct Torontonian, a pentecostal bible school doesn’t equip attendees to run a 23 million dollar charity.

    I don’t blame blogs or media for not covering this alleged religious affinity fraud and how Crossroads Christian Communications handled their involvement, Jim Cantelon only wishes this got attention. Inference about media not being helpful does not serve David Mainse, his sons or the organization well. What has been written and said is public, people can check for themselves.

    This organization got cut some slack by media.
    I think what we’ve seen is disinterest.
    Coverage, or lack of it is an indicator of how far this media company/charity has eroded the past few years.
    It’s got to be sad for loyal employees and aware viewers.

    Ron indicating he has only received positive feedback should give any thinking donor serious pause.

    It is not my responsibility to forgive Ron or Reynold Mainse, I am not a donor, I didn’t invest, I didn’t lose, I didn’t get betrayed or pressured by a circle of family, friends or employees.

    I’m saddened so many have been harmed because they trusted Ron and Reynold Mainse.
    Nothing, not God’s love, God’s word, apologies, prayers or attempted restitution can unring that bell.

    All things must pass.

    While God has His hand on our lives, He loves, He forgives, He restores, He leads, He is invested in us, He never forsakes us; I’m not convinced Crossroads as an organization will or should continue much longer either.

    Glaringly absent in this chat was the acknowledgement regulatory bodies are finished their job.

    Rather than hoping for a renewed and better ministry/organization – there is nothing wrong, immature, naive, ungodly or unspiritual with calling it a wrap.

  4. Hurtandstillhurting says:

    Time will tell don’t you think if negative feedback comes – lets see what happens with the trust fund?

    Walter – what do you mean that Ron did not indicate he was making re-payment – he did state:

    Ron: What I have done already, anything that I have received has gone into a trust fund with the legal firm I’m working with, we, Ann and I, lost what we invested. Full restitution has been done.
    Working with the legal firm, as I understand it, the OSC will be able to recover funds, at some point this fund will be used to pay back a portion of what people lost.

    Just trying to get my head around all this – I am also wondering what the other finders will do?

  5. Bene Diction says:

    Walter:

    I do need to listen to this again, I had my reporter/transcriber hat on and still missed the number of people Ron said he drew in as finder.

    Hurt and still hurting:

    I don’t understand how this ‘restitution’ is supposed to work either, the legal team, investigators would have sat these two brothers down and read them the riot act.
    Was Ron given a choice? Probably.
    And it may have been – no charges if you co-operate.

    Like any religious affinity fraud it has been months, it will probably be years – would any investor believe there is anything left to give back?

    Gordon Driver’s civil trial in the US is stalled, there is no word on criminal proceedings.
    Ron admits he and his wife and his sons lost everything they put into Axcess Automation/Funds.

    Not a word about his cousin David Rutledge, or his brother.

    Realistically how is his restitution more than a drop of the alleged 13.5 million?
    We don’t know what Ron Mainse received in finders fees, or what he lost, he’s chosen not to say.

    I did hear him say he put money in a fund.
    I’ll clarify tomorrow when I can grab an exact quote.

    I think his restitution fund is a step, an appropriate one.
    How Ron Mainse and Crossroads chooses to communicate about that fund is up to them.

    Let’s hope no one around Crossroads gets the bright idea to grow or top up that trust fund with investments.:^(

  6. Rick Hiebert says:

    Kudos to BD for keeping an eye on this. It would be hard to blog on this and do the great job that BD has of keeping all this straight…

  7. walter says:

    Ron: What I have done already, anything that I have received has gone into a trust fund with the legal firm I’m working with, we, Ann and I, lost what we invested. Full restitution has been done.

    Hurtandstillhurting – Compare what happens when a person divorces? They split half the proceeds and alimony is paid to the needy spouse!

    Ron has chosen a limited route to set aside the profits but none of his personal funds. He hasn’t offered to sell his house and help pay restitution or a good portion of his future salary which other people do when they have a financial obligation to the people they have hurt?

    So as always Ron makes up his own rules how he wants to play the game?

  8. walter says:

    Correct me if I am wrong but television preachers including Ron and David Mainse ask their viewers to be sacrificial in their giving?

    However the viewers are not to ask of them to be sacrificial in their giving including to the victims of their ponzi schemes!

    Where is the justice in this? There isn’t any. It just plain hypocrisy by the elite in power!

  9. Bene D says:

    Quotes from the video

    8:33 Part one

    Q: “What about those who invested with you? There were a lot of people, right?”

    A: “There were probably 40 to 50 that became kind of part of a group, mostly family and friends you know, we certainly never went out to you know, to supporters of the ministry, or just putting out anything to staff, just saying, you know, mostly word of mouth. There were some staff, but it was actively soliciting staff.”

    :48 Part two

    Q: “No one has accused you of criminal intent?”

    A “No.”

    Q: “What are you going to do about it in terms of these uh, people who have lost? Is there anything you can do about it?”

    A: “Well certainly, what I have done already, which was a just a kind of a, of course it’s got to be done, was that anything I received I have paid back into a trust fund with a legal firm I’ve been working with, uh, and so, so, that there is nothing at all I have received as personal benefit.
    In addition to that, um, I’m in the same boat as everyone else in the sense that I’ve lost the funds that I initially invested, two of my children, huh, that invested as well and that we’ve, we’ve lost everything, and, just like many others, so, so I can relate on that sense.
    And, and so, but, that had to be done. Full restitution has been done and uh, it’s it was a very important step.”

    Q: “Now when you say gave back what you personally gained uh, to a trust fund, what becomes, under whose auspices is that trust fund administered, and uh, how is it going to be dispersed, if at all?”

    A: “Well my understanding uh, is that, The Ontario Securities Commission will uh, be able, is recovered whatever funds are out there and this trust fund will be part of it, and that at some point down the road as you said, this takes a long time obviously with these type of things, and that at some point that would be used to pay back at least portions of, of, uh, what people have lost.”

  10. MenschMayer says:

    Hurtandstillhurting what have you done to get in touch with some other victims?

    Last week, I received a call out of the blue. The caller suggested this lawyer, that is willing to go after retrieving our funds for a percentage. That works for me!

    I have been successful in finding a few Reeve victims and some are also talking to this lawyer. During our conversations, we figured out, that others (not just Reeve) are just as responsible and we are trying to go after them for negligence. On my own, this would never had occurred to me.

    May I suggest the same for you. Find others and talk!

    I know how you feel, ‘hurt and still hurting’!!!!!!

  11. Bene Diction says:

    MenchMayer:

    I’m glad you have found other victims of Daniel P. Reeve, and it’s good to hear you saying that you have learned others can be held accountable.
    My hope for all of you is this lawyer is able to do the job that needs to be done.
    I applaud your courage.
    Keep the faith and go under the mercy.

  12. hurtandstillhurting says:

    MenchMayer – seems that gordon driver/mainse investors are not talking or no where to be found? So hard to find them. But it is not a good scene!!!

  13. Bene Diction says:

    hurtandstillhurting:

    I’m so sorry. I am not going to pretend I understand, I don’t. You seem to be the 1 in 100 I was told about – what about asking Steve Buist at The Spec for the names of other investors he spoke to? I don’t know if The Spec killed his piece or if he’s bidding his time. A couple of people did ask for his email, so they may have been thinking hard or ready to come out of the shadows.

    Buist would have real names; here at BDBO if investors can take safe baby steps.

    If Driver/Axcess investors are ready to talk to each other, what can I do here at BDBO to facilitate that?

    Ron Mainse is trapped. I believe he is genuinely remorseful, but blood and family bonds and organizational bubbles are thick. Today’s interview left me grieved and believing he’s chained to expectations other Axcess investors won’t find healthy. If he is as he indicates only being told good things from his ‘group’ there is no room for the hurting ones.

    All anyone harmed can do is stay away (not that they’d be able to contact Mainse anyway) and get on with their own healing, coming to terms with their own authenticity and perhaps stand together on the long road to justice.

    Driver/Axcess investors ready to step forward can email me and I’ll put you in touch with each other. I’m sure given what you’ve been through, any of you could weed out the phonies or plants better than anyone.

    One of the keys for the Daniel P. Reeve investors was a tenacious local reporter who went into the DPR forum and broke the inertia. Police have also been a key. The Reeve investors are now moving forward with courage, encouragement, righteous anger, a personal need to heal and most of all a powerful concern for others.

    I don’t doubt some Diver/Axcess investors have contacted the OSC, even the CFTC and SEC, but I doubt regulators will put you guys in touch with each other.

    Anyone else have any ideas to help hurtandstillhurting find other Driver/Axcess investors?

    What can I do to help you hurtandhurting?

  14. MenschMayer says:

    hurtandstillhurting you have found no one? man!!!! Maybe we can help you, by just talking a bit.

    I started late and I started slowly. It’s a bit hard to trust anyone right now.

    One of the biggest problems you will face, is most of these victims are Christians. Ya! I struggle with reporting another Christian. It’s terrible! I actually had to do it today.

    At the same time, these Christians clearly did things that are not right. People got hurt! Actually, 100 people got hurt! Just because one is a Christian does not mean your can run around and do whatever you want and not be accountable for your actions. If your actions hurt others, it is wrong. Case closed!

    In our case, I feel very strongly that people need to be held accountable. I’m not just talking about Reeve or Driver. I’m talking about the people that helped them. If you know your neighbor is a pedophile and you do not come forward, yet forgive him, how stupid is that? Another child is hurt! Along the way, some may not have come forward fast enough. You never know, unless you talk to other victims. I am finding it interesting to hear how similar our stories are. We are actually supporting our claims to the police, FSCO and the press. There is power in numbers.

    No, no, no, you and all of the Driver victims have a duty to come forward. Christian or not! It’s actually wrong, to not come forward.

    It’s not healthy for you to suffer in silence. It will kill you!

    hurtandstillhurting, glad you are here. I was just thinking today if my very bad writing is actually helping anyone out there. Really, there are over 100 Reeve victims and another 100 Driver victims. That’s 200 people who are hurting in the Burlington/Kitchener area. That’s a lot of people that lost their life savings and will be hurting right into their old age.

    I think maybe we should all get together and go after the government. They too need to be held accountable for not having laws in place to stop these criminals. Come to Canada, the haven for white collar crime! But, that’s another story for another post.

    It’s wrong! people need to be held accountable! Christian or not!

  15. Therese says:

    “Ron Mainse is trapped. I believe he is genuinely remorseful, but blood and family bonds and organizational bubbles are thick. Today’s interview left me grieved and believing he’s chained to expectations other Axcess investors won’t find healthy.”

    Well put BeneD…those are my thoughts too.

    For me the interview itself didn’t really impart any more information than had already been portioned out, so I have to assume really it’s purpose was simply to pave the way for Ron’s return to work. It is a sad situation for all involved…perhaps it would be an appropriate and helpful gesture if 100 Huntley St. could donate a few minutes of air time to ask for donations to the victims’s trust fund…

  16. John says:

    I saw the Cantelon/Mainse interview and found some of it disturbing. For instance, Cantelon said to Ron “not many people go through what you are going through”…as if Ron Mainse was a victim in this mess. As the cause of his discomfort he needs to wear it and not whine about it…that’s what Christians are supposed to do.

    In this matter, the Mainse brothers have demonstrated an hypocrisy of the deepest level. They regularly solicit money from viewers, many of which are wondering where their next rent or mortgage payment is going to come from, and these guys seem only concerned about feathering their nest egg.

    In addition, Cantelon did not adequately address the all important issue of accountability. I accept Ron’s apology; however, as a Crossroads supporter/member, I am looking for some real accountability here…an apology will not suffice. The Mainse brothers have acknowledged their “poor judgment” in this matter but have ignored their more important failure…that being an obvious lack of spiritual discernment. Poor judgment can be excused but not poor discernment…not when you are heading a twenty three million dollar a year ministry. Sadly, because I like Ron, I see no alternative than to have both Ron and Reynold removed from the Crossroads ministry indefinitely. Perhaps in a few years they could return to their posts…

    Thank you John, hearing from interested donors is a joy and breath of fresh air. – BD

  17. Therese says:

    MenschMayer – Praise the Lord, that is good news about your new lawyer….percentage of the booty, huh?…that’s brilliant, sounds like a win-win situation to me…we do serve a practical God who is well acquainted with human nature! :)

  18. walter says:

    I wonder how much money Ron and Reynolds are going to spend on lawyers before all of this is over. Criminal lawyers are very expensive! And they really cannot hit other people for donations to help them because it was their criminal act that got them in trouble!

  19. Therese says:

    Walter, actually I was thinking of donations to the trust fund to help all the victims out there. I think there might be people who are able and would like to know how they can help out. Regarding criminal lawyers, I understood the Mainse’s were not going to be charged…

  20. walter says:

    Therese – What do liars do? They lie!

    Nobody but nobody can predict what is going to happen because Gordon Driver trial has not begun and who knows what he will bring up further about the Mainse brothers involvement in this ponzi fraud or crime?

    So this matter is far from over and anything else that is said or could be said is wishful thinking and premature because the public has not been told what the U.S. or Canadian Law Enforcement are going to do once all the facts come out in the California trial and are known.

    And presently by his own admission Ron is using the services of a lawyer, who has to be a criminal lawyer because this is a criminal matter and he cannot be cheap. They never are!.

    Once I had a neighbor who was a criminal lawyer and have a friend who is a criminal lawyer and just like a taxi their meter is always running!

    And I personally think Ron made to speech to convince himself he is a nice guy, didn’t do anything wrong, was naive and was sincere!

    However sincerity and presumption are not a guarantee that you will not get into trouble!

    Who could have anticipated that the greedy hypocritical Mainse would have been exposed for what they are? No one!

  21. David says:

    It will be interesting when the truth comes out to see if Bennie D here apologizes for the mishandling of this story.

    Some of you should respect the process of law and its unwinding, however slow and painful that may be.

    There are things that you don’t know. To speak now, foolishness. Absolute foolishness.

    But don’t let that stop you. By all means…

  22. walter says:

    As far as I am concerned the truth is out – The Mainse clan are all about money and they don’t care about the victims they created except a token gesture!

    And why didn’t Jim Cantelon ask the following questions of Ron?

    1) What do the Mainse clan or their prominent religious friend care about victims?
    2) How does Ron Mainse plan to make restitution?
    3) Has communication with donors, employees and the public been transparent and ethical?
    4) How much does the founder of the ministry make including total compensation and how much do members of his family make from the ministry?
    5) Has there been clarity in respect of whether or not the investors knew that those who recruited them were being paid finders fees for their efforts?
    6) Why aren’t investors speaking up?
    7) Are the Mainse family rich? (StatsCan median)
    8 What perks do the inner Crossroads circle receive?
    9) Who is the close friend who introduced Ron Mainse to an investment opportunity?
    10) What are the Mainse brothers doing in practical ways to help and recompense their victims for their losses, sorrow and pain?
    11) How many people did Ron Mainse draw in to this investment?
    12) What is the total compensation package for the Mainse family?
    13) Were the Mainse brothers being paid by Crossroads while off air?
    14) Where any Axcess transactions completed in Canada?
    15) How much of the 13.5 million did Crossroads employees bring in?
    16) What (is) the age and earning of the average supporter of 100 Huntley Street who is not aware that Ron and Ann are earning $ 270,000 per year and had no saying in the hiring of a husband and wife team?
    17) What do any of you know about the world of Music Royalties? (executive perks and undisclosed income)
    18) Did David Rutledge work his Crossroad contacts for Axcess Funds?
    19) How many actual full time employess were there at that time (last tax filing) and how many now?
    (economic realities and stewardship)
    20) What training has Ron had for his job? (ethical stewardship)
    21) What is Ron’s total compensation package? (goes to the alleged ponzi scheme and the desire to make more)
    22) Being an agent for a ponzi scheme and not telling your suckered clients is more than just a mistake and lack of integrity it’s a criminal act! Are these the kind of big mistakes you (we) have made? (behavior, consequences, intent)
    23) (What if) heads of Christian nonprofit churches and corporation would issue to the public their income tax and their spouse and prove that they are not in the ministry for the money?
    24) What is the OSC decision regarding Ron’s involvement?

  23. Bene D says:

    We don’t know what kind of legal team Ron has access to – any kind he needs when he needs them.
    He is the face of the ministry. But I don’t know if Ron has been ‘cleared’ as a finder Therese, I didn’t hear him say, he can’t as yet. There is a long road ahead in the US, we haven’t a clue what the OSC is doing.

    The OSC hasn’t wrapped up, we don’t know what other regulatory agencies have to weigh in. Ron and Reynold are ordained PAOC, we don’t know if RevCan Charities has had a look or if this crosses the path of the CRTC.

    The legal team and the board must feel confident enough to put Ron back on-air.

    Kathy and Ron Mainse spent about 20 minutes talking with Moira Brown today, doing the push for the membership drive giveaway and talking about their layers of pain; maxing out the mortgage, cashing in the RRSP’s cancelling the cruise, blaming Satan and to their credit, their own naiveness.
    It’s interesting the hosts don’t use names – Gordon Driver, David Rutledge, Steven Taylor.
    They maxed out the mortgage, cashed out the RRSP’s, cancelled the cruise.
    Again, no specifics, they are rebranding and rebuilding their image.

    Ron Mainse says Reynold and Kathy Mainse haven’t been Crossroad Christian Communication employees for ‘about the past year and a half.” He said they have their own ministry and board.

    Does Crossroads pay for Reynold and Kathy Mainse appearances on 100 Huntley or not?
    Reynold is still listed as VP of Crossroads Missions, is this an unpaid position?
    http://crossroadstv.ca/television/huntley/hosts/reynold-and-kathy-mainse
    What happened to World Class TV and World Class Missions?

    John:

    Jim Cantelon said: “…there is a lot of misinformation and disinformation.”

    Misinformation, certainly, and Crossroads can accept their share of responsibility for their failure to communicate, however: disinformation? Possible, other than the ‘church’ comment, I haven’t seen any, Cantelon gave no clarification or direction so people can make their own decision.

    disinformation (noun)
    information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth

    David, I’ll apologize if I’m proven wrong, correct an error if I’ve made an error.
    I’ve made errors they been corrected. Enough people have been hurt, I’m not interested in contributing to any more.
    I get that some people are very uncomfortable with the conversation al nature of blogs.

  24. John says:

    Is it a fact that Ron and Anne Mainse earn $270,000.00 per year as hosts of 100 Huntely Street?

  25. walter says:

    So why don’t Ron and Anne give us their income tax just like the President of United States does to show us that they are not in the ministry for the money? He is a public servant and so are they because it is after all a nonprofit corporation!

  26. MenschMayer says:

    Did I just see a headline that Jones victims are doing a class action lawsuit against the government? Are they ever organized!

    To all victims: I have some practical advice. My neighbor has a PhD in Law and she too charges $600. per hour. This is her advice.

    She said if anyone needs a lawyer Pro Bono (no money) you should call the Law Society of Upper Canada. Ask them for a law firm that does the ‘Pro Bono Project’. These are young law students that work in larger law firms, supervised by experienced lawyers. Please see the information below.

    I am going to give them a call tomorrow. I will let you know how far I manage to get with this.

    The Law Society of Upper Canada
    Osgoode Hall, 130 Queen Street West
    Toronto, Ontario M5H 2N6

    General Inquiries
    Toll-free: 1-800-668-7380
    General line: 416-947-3300
    Facsimile: 416-947-3924
    E-mail: lawsociety@lsuc.on.ca

  27. Bene D says:

    John:

    Ron’s salary as President of Crossroads?

    Don’t know.

    Extras – speaking engagements, trips, etc?
    Don’t know.
    They don’t want people knowing, some charity leaders are open, some aren’t.

    All that is publicly available is the tax form at Charities Revenue Canada.

    Type in Crossroads Christian Communications Inc.

    http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/charities/
    Look at the T3010

    2008 3010 Charities Revenue Canada
    Crossroads Christian Communications Inc.

    D2 For the five highest compensated positions indicate the number of positions in each of the following annual compensation categories. Include only those positions that are permanent, full-time positions.

    $1-$39,999 3700
    $40,000-$79,999 3710
    $80,000-$119,999 3720 4
    $119,999 and over 3730 1

    D3 On average, how many part-time or part-year employees did the charity employ in the fiscal period? 3800 178

    D4 What was the total expenditure on compensation for part-time or part-year employees in the fiscal period? 3850 $ 1,304,740

    D5 Did the charity compensate any of its directors/trustees or like officials, during the fiscal period? 3900 No

    MenchMayer:

    Do you have a link to a possible Jones class action?
    I think investors putting this together was amazing.
    http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/post-earl-jones/index.html

  28. Torontonian says:

    Interesting observation about the “interviews”.

    Sometimes Cantelon or Brown would not ask
    questions but make statements that would
    help the subject(s) because the answer is
    now given a frame of reference for the reply.

    It’s a clever device to weed out extraneous
    and unwanted material from an interview
    or courtroom testimony. It also “telegraphs”
    the desired answer/response from the subject.

    The use of this is less than honest with the
    viewers and followers of the entire Huntley
    Street endeavours and the sorrowful business
    that is the Ponzi scheme.

    This differs from the expository question such as:
    “Can you tell us more about . . . or “How did that
    affect your prospects . . . . These allow the
    subject to expand at will and go “free range” on
    the question. This was not what was in evidence
    these last few days.

    So, how much more do we know that is
    truly meaningful to the situation?

    Relatively little, in my opinion.

    The interview seemed more like activity and
    little achievement. Viewers deserved better.

    ——-

    For Walter on posting #25.

    I don’t believe we should see their tax returns.
    That whole thing is an American phenomenon.
    We don’t do that up here in Canada.
    Nor do we know the Prime Minister’s state of
    health or his tax return information.

    We are better than that because we believe that
    people are innately good and the benefit of the
    doubt should prevail. Indeed the benefit of the
    doubt goes back to Leviticus–but you should
    know that.

    Our system will take its course and what must
    come forward shall and the proper people will
    see to it in a professional manner.

    Until that time, we need to be patient.

  29. Bene D says:

    Torontonian:

    I noticed that also!
    Good catch.
    Thank you.
    Many questions were not open-ended.
    Many were prompts, leading and telegraphed.
    Fit the edit questions, designed to feed the narrative.

    To be honest, I didn’t expect professionalism.
    Not much was learned for people have followed this story.
    Shame, there are some professional people working there.

    I still think awhile back came up a commenter came with a brilliant idea – Sit down with an impartial outsider and do an in-depth.
    I don’t believe Crossroads is able to allow that.

    We did get some information today – Reynold and Kathy Mainse are not Crossroads employees.
    That would explain the $10,947 to Heaven’s Rehearsal in the 2008 tax return.
    Doesn’t explain why Crossroads has chosen not to be forthcoming.
    Same issue as with the information on David Rutledge – it wasn’t updated or communicated until it was challenged.

  30. Garnet says:

    Walter,

    You kill me with the massive assumptions you make …

    “And presently by his own admission Ron is using the services of a lawyer, who has to be a criminal lawyer because this is a criminal matter and he cannot be cheap. They never are!”

    In Canada it isn’t a ciminal matter at the moment, it is a financial one with the OSC. If I were Ron I would have a lawyer who specializes in financial matters and not criminal ones.

  31. walter says:

    I don’t believe we should see their tax returns.
    That whole thing is an American phenomenon.
    We don’t do that up here in Canada.
    Nor do we know the Prime Minister’s state of
    health or his tax return information

    Torontonian – You seem to be a blind follower of “King’s rule” but I have no king but Jesus! And I would like to see the tax return of the Prime Minister for then we will have a real democracy. But then in Canada we don’t have a true bill of rights because it’s a joke with its notwithstanding clause!

    And part of democracy in not only freedom of speech but freedom of of thought! And I believe the Mainse to be wolves in sheep’s clothing and Ron to be an incompetent idiot who is doing a job against his will because his father wanted him to be there!

    Now the latter idea is not an assumption but something you should talk to David Mainse about how he planned for his sons to take over the ministry if it is a ministry!

    Crossroads ratings are so low it’s only a matter of time before they die of old age! Wonderful??????????

    I also believe that the Mainse Clan have no integrity and are greedy about money. So let them show us their income tax to prove that they are who they say there are for after all we only have their words to date and the words of thieves, liars and schemers mean nothing! And the proof is what have they done or will do for the real victims they have created? Nothing! Because the wolves don’t care for the sheep except to eat them?

    Garnett – If I kill you with my opinions how come you are still alive?!

    And how do you know that the law enforcement have not talked to Ron and Reynolds yet?

    Aren’t you making assumptions about what has transpired to date since the Mainse Clan have been very deceitful in keeping everybody in the dark until now telling us what they want us to know and leaving out the rest?

    But then “father knows best” or the “king knows best” for an empire loyalist?

    However I like what Thomas Jefferson, an American, the author of the Declaration of Independence said:

    I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.. – Thomas Jefferson Letter To Francis Hopkinson, Paris Mar. 13, 1789

    Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day. – Thomas Jefferson Letter to P. S. Dupont de Nemours, Poplar Forest, April 24, 1816

    “I have never been able to conceive how any rational being could propose happiness to himself from the exercise of power over others.” –Thomas Jefferson to A. L. C. Destutt de Tracy, 1811.

    In every government on earth is some trace of human weakness, some germ of corruption and degeneracy, which cunning will discover, and wickedness insensibly open, cultivate and improve.” –Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia, 1782.

  32. We are better than that because we believe that people are innately good and the benefit of the doubt should prevail

    Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? 17:10 I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.

    Torontonian – Who is “we” in your statement and on what basis have you made your statement?

    It’s totally against the words of Jesus and the Gospel that man is innately good or a Savior or Redeemer would not be required to bring about a change of heart and ways! And that is the gospel the Mainse are preaching including:

    EZEK 18:31 “Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel?

    EZEK 36:26 “I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

    MK 10:18 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.

    2COR 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

    EPH 4:28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.

    Torontonian – speaking of being Americanized when I was in court fighting Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship $ 50 million dollar the extortion lawsuit that was based on lies, perjury and obstruction of justice, the Justice was using American rulings on Internet law because none was available in Canada!

    So we are copy what our American neighbors are saying and doing in law, politics and other things.

    You cannot stop progress and freedom of Democracy and the right to have knowledge about all things even the salaries of the Mainse Clan! If they want to hide their salaries let them get out of the ministry?

  33. MenschMayer says:

    “people are innately good” that’s hilarious!

    That’s why we need a redeemer, because we are sssssoooo good!

  34. Torontonian says:

    I thought that BDBO is a forum of discussion and
    not personal attacks or derision.

    Maybe when things change for the better,
    I’ll come back.

    Good bye all. So long Bene.

  35. MenschMayer says:

    Sorry, sorry, sorry Torontonian… you need to have a ‘thicker skin’ that that.

    Come back with a good argument and people will listen. That’s what I thought this forum is for. Running away is not productive. If we all agree this discussion becomes useless, don’t you think? Then it just becomes a ‘play nice, feel good’ forum. I’m afraid (without being hurtful to your point of view) that is what Christians tend do best, run!

    Fight a good fight! You never know who is out in this virtual world that will silently agree with you. You may be support for others and I’m out to lunch!

  36. Bene Diction says:

    So long Torontonian:

    You have been a sane and valuable voice, the court of public opinion regarding Axcess/Crossroads has been particularly adolescent and nasty.

    Axcess/Crossroads has been a public discussion filled with righteous indignation, evangelistic zeal, excessive spiritualizing, personal attacks, derision, contempt and threats.
    There has also been some of the most practical and insightful contributions in the over six years of BDBO.

    I make no excuse, no defense for my failure to prevent mocking of people trying to speak. I have failed to maintain civility and respect.
    How horrible for those whose chins are already on the ground.

    If those of us who were not betrayed and lost in this morass are fed up, how much worse is it for Axcess investors?

    Ignorance of religious affinity fraud, the inability to separate the organizational errors from personal ones, vitriol and personal agendas, must cause investors despair.

    I have put my head down on my desk and wept for those whose trust has been betrayed, I’ve grieved over emails from bloggers who have been stunned, shocked and wounded at the unChristlike comments thrown at them and their commenters under 100 Huntley Street/Axcess posts.

    I understand what you are saying, there are major differences in Canadian social contracts versus the US.
    Sociologists and political scientists have adequately explained those differences. It’s reductionist go on about individual sinful nature.

    “I thought that BDBO is a forum of discussion and not personal attacks or derision.”

    I have failed to keep on top of, understand and manage the Axcess/Crossroad generated polarization. I was warned by experts, and what they told me has come to pass.

    I’ve been humbled by Axcess/Crossroads commenters who have hung in here with intelligence and who rise above agenda, shrillness, personal attacks and self-centeredness.
    Thank you.
    Thank you for careful thoughtfulness, grace, self-restraint and maturity.
    Thank you for showing self respect and respect for others.

    I am grateful for Axcess/Crossroads commenters who have been wisely aware broken hurting people have read these threads, desperately for any fact they have not been offered by those in the position to provide.
    Thank you for your keen insights, encouragement and for keeping who and what is important, front and centre.

    You have my email addy.

  37. Bene Diction says:

    Walter:

    Canada, legal, cutural and social contracts and how they differ from the US.

    http://www.cprn.org/doc.cfm?doc=36&l=en

    http://tiny.cc/CRO8Z

    http://tiny.cc/gyqUh

    http://tiny.cc/cQyUx

    http://tiny.cc/FUTJj

    Canadian Myths and Realities.

    http://www.uni.ca/library/myths-realities.html

    Differences in Canadian and US religious trends

    http://tiny.cc/hryxd

    Canadian Charity Law

    http://www.canadiancharitylaw.ca/

  38. JN 18:20 Jesus answered him, “I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet, and in secret I have said nothing.

    Bene

    Since when has it been your policy to openly character assassinating a person, including me, without talking to me first and hearing my side of the story and that of my pastor and close friends?

    And how come you closed the comments and would not give me a chance to respond to your question and character assassination?

    It’s a fact that Pastors John Arnott and Steve Long have never known me or met me even till this date but they have slandered and character assassinated me, sued me, committed perjury, played dirty tricks, and obstructed justice! But I have been open with them and have sent them hundreds of emails!

    It’s also a fact that whatever I had posted something even about David and Ron Mainse I had send them an email telling them what I was going to do or have done and have done nothing behind their backs unlike some other people!

    In other words unlike Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and Pastors John Arnott and Steve Long who before Judge Trottier on September 19, 2008 did terrible things, I didn’t lie, commit perjury, obstruct justice and play dirty tricks!

    And you have read all the emails I sent you even today?

    Dr Pat Holiday Jacksonville, Florida of Miracle Outreach Ministries who has an earned PHD, unlike other phonies, in the ministry says of Walter Kambulow

    Walter Kambulow, is a man like King David, “after God’s own heart.” I encourage you to read his books. It will fill your souls with hearty spiritual food and give you new strength to live your faith in Jesus. He is Jesus centered and saturated with the Word of God and strong in the Spirit of the Holy Ghost. He is a great fighter for His King and an encourager of the true Saints. – Dr. Pat Holiday

    So Bene stop hiding and come clean and give us your real name because it’s cowardly and dishonest to hide and be anonymous and slander people without giving us your real name!

    I express my views and give my real name and also have given my antagonists knowledge of what I am doing and even why! It’s a nasty evil thing to do things in secret?

    So will you give us your real name?

  39. Therese says:

    2 Tim. 2:24 “And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all, apt to teach, patient…”

    Walter, the bible has a few things to say about gentleness too as well as rebuke….and surely there is a whole range of interpersonal behaviours in between gentleness and sword-swinging at our disposal, especially when it concerns young women who should be treated by men with gentleness, consideration and respect as the weaker sex. I didn’t think BeneD’s remark was meant to be taken literally, but to make a point about misplaced verbal battering.

  40. Bene Diction says:

    Again, nice catch Therese.

    I used a rhetorical trick: logical fallacy.
    The point was to kick in some reasoning and stop the browbeating.

    There are various types of informal fallacies, strawmen, ad homenin. false dilemma, loaded question etc.

    People do speak in a range of emotions and ideas.
    I have kept asking that we listen respectfully, others have asked.
    So it was lesson time.

    Doesn’t feel good at all when informal fallacy is turned back on you.

  41. MenschMayer says:

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100852336733&ref=search&sid=1004408089.429610520..1
    I don’t know if any of you are following the Jones case. They have a very productive, open discussion going on in this facebook group.

    I would be great if Driver victims had a similar discussion.

    ( link fixed:^) BD)

  42. John says:

    In the wake of the Mainse Brothers Scandal, it is easy to see why so many secular people are “put off” by Christianity. There is no doubt the actions of the Mainse brothers have dealt a blow to the Crossroads Ministry. In my view, however, the manner in which some Christians have responded to said scandal is portraying Christianity in an equally negative light. We need to avoid personal attacks and instead endeavour to speak the truth in love, as we are taught in Ephesians 4:15. After all, we are the ones who sing songs with lyrics such as “…and they’ll know we are Christians by our love.” Such a mantra cannot work when the love component is removed or ignored.

  43. Therese says:

    For sure there is merit in what you say, John, but at the same time I think what the world needs to see in the house of God is more simple honesty and less pretense: if we’re glad, we’re glad; if we’re sad, we’re sad, and if we’re mad, we’re mad. The world around us, speaking for Canadian culture, is very unhealthy and not dealing honestly with one another – we go around pretending that “I’m okay, you’re okay” all the time and never deal with issues that are most definitely not okay.

    Other cultures do not pretend to ignore the ‘negative’ things the way we do. And the bible advocates open honesty in dealing with one another. I think we need to keep in mind also that just because someone may be angry or disagree with their brother doesn’t mean they don’t love him anymore or that they are going to stay angry forever. Personally I suspect one reason we make as many ‘mistakes’ in how we talk to each other and about each other when we’re expressing ‘negative’ emotions and thoughts might often simply be from lack of practice and freedom in this area! And I agree with what someone mentioned here about the need to develop a thicker skin, we Canadians, (and maybe Americans too?) need to learn the give and take of what is normal and honest human interaction in God’s eyes, not the unhealthy ways of our culture.

  44. MenschMayer says:

    http://www.bestrongfoundation.org

    The Canadian Coaltition of Citizens Against White Collar Crime

    ‘Be Strong Movement’

    I hope that some Driver victims will join us in this fight against White Collar Crime. It’s the right thing to do, to save others from this nightmare.

  45. walter says:

    Therese – Bene made a public accusation about me without talking to me first and is that right? The bible teaches that he has to talk to me first before he talks to others. Shame on Bene!

    And worse of all he is hiding behind his anonymity! And here is what my friend Dr. Pat Holiday said about it

    Walter

    I earned my degree at Southeastern Theological Seminary and also taught in the Seminary for eight years..
    If someone is such a coward that they will not give their name but they are accusing a Christian, then that person is not a true Christian…. Ignore him. Not worth even replying to.
    Pat Holliday

  46. Gordon Driver says:

    Wally and Bene,

    I don’t remember either of you talking to me first.

  47. Gordon Driver says:

    Nobody on this blog has talked to me first.

  48. Bene D says:

    Hi Gordon:

    You are correct, I didn’t contact you until you provided an email.

    You know where BDBO is online, you have my email.

    If you want to talk to Walter, let me know and I’ll give him your addy.

  49. I don’t remember either of you talking to me first.

    Gordon – I did talk to you about whether you were a thief or not? It’s was an open conversation on this blog and my email is Walthope(at)hotmail. com

    (Edited – off topic, violation of site policy – BD)

  50. Gordon Driver says:

    Bene,

    Publish your real name, if you want me to talk to you.

    Wally,

    Are you a Christian or is this just a semantic game for you?

    “Therese – Bene made a public accusation about me without talking to me first and is that right? The bible teaches that he has to talk to me first before he talks to others. Shame on Bene!”

    Neither one of you spoke to me privately first. Romans does equate gossip with every kind of evil.

    I need to fix my Bible. I don’t have that scripture that says gossiping on the internet is OK.

    Leviticus 19:16 – “Do not go about spreading slander among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor’s life. I am the Lord.” (NIV)

    Proverbs 11:13 – “A gossip betrays a confidence, but a trustworthy man keeps a secret.” (NIV)

    Romans 1:29 – “They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips.” (NIV)

    1 Timothy 5:13 – “Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying things they ought not to.” (NIV)

    Matthew 7:1 – “Do not judge, or you too will be judged.” (NIV)

    Proverbs 18:8 – “The words of gossip are like choice morsels; they go down to a man’s inmost parts.” (NIV)

    Matthew 7:12 – “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” (NIV)

    Ephesians 4:29 – “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” (NIV)

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