By Rick Hiebert. All Rights Reserved. Used By Permission
Earlier this month, evangelist Todd Bentley wheeled out his heavy artillery. He is still being assailed by those who think that his divorce, and remarriage to his former intern and nanny Jessa Bentley. So, amongst the latest batch of videos is Personal Thoughts From Jessa Bentley, featuring Todd Bentley, Wife number Two and Rick Joyner
(To help in following along on this post, here is the full video, which Joyner calls Jessa Tells Her story on his website:
The full video on Todd Bentley’s website is called “Personal thoughts from Jessa Bentley”. As I write it is the top video on his public videos page.
If those videos disappear, here is a highlights video as posted on YouTube
Rick Joyner and Todd Bentley make use of an old PR agents trick. Don’t want the media to report on the video? Release it either one day before the weekend including a stat holiday or on the actual holiday itself. (Columbus Day in the U.S. and Canada’s Thanksgiving.)
Those with a fondness for bloopers might be able to spot Joyner calling Jessa by the name of Todd Bentley’s first wife, Shonnah, twice. But what they are trying to pull off in this video is perhaps not as amusing.
Rick Joyner begins by citing the Biblical story of David and Bathsheba, “one of the most deplorable things in the Scripture”. However, he adds, despite the infamy of the sin, “David repented and God restores him, didn’t make him quit being king or anything.” Joyner adds, “There was a terrible price to pay…”
The implication is clear. Todd, likewise, is a “man after God’s own heart” who is paying a “terrible price”, but is not to be removed from ministry.
We can be glad that God is gracious and forgives, as the story of David shows, but isn’t it an act of great hubris to compare oneself to him after a great fall?
Have Todd and Jessa paid a “terrible price”?. Aside from fielding derision from Christians, not really. Todd can afford vacations. There are no indications that either of the pair has had to start working at a real job. The only “price” that they have had to pray is that Todd is not working at full bore as a famous evangelist and that people disapprove of what he has done. Poor baby.
Joyner reminds us that Bathsheba was the mother of Solomon, leading Jessa to exclaim “Wow.” We’ll see no problems with excessive humility amongst her kids, I am sure. (Shonnah’s kids? Not being from the relationship that started out as adultery, they get a “Thank you for playing and here’s a lovely copy of our home game…” as the game show host shoos them off stage.)
(If I were Jessa, I wouldn’t want anyone citing an overt act of Biblical adultery in the context of starting to talk about me. But that would be having “sense”, which Joyner is about to assure us that she has in bucketfuls…)
Joyner adds that people who meet Jessa say that:
“This is the most perfect girl that I could ever imagine for Todd. She’s rooted and grounded and has sense. Not that you don’t (looks at Todd and chuckles), but an amazing thing…”
Let’s recall, for a moment, Todd Bentley’s remarks about the vision that led to his marrying the former Shonnah Andres, as recorded in the various editions of his autobiography:
“…the Lord had actually shown me an open vision of Shonnah. It was my first open-eyed vision. I was in my living room and my fireplace opened up, kind of like a TV screen, and I saw us embracing in a wheat field that was ready for harvest. We were both weeping and I was wearing a tux and she was wearing a wedding dress. As the vision unfolded, her friend Roswetta (who was now my friend) was talking with me in the living room about Shonnah. I described the open vision to her as it happened. The presence of the Lord fell and we both wept. Roswetta said, ‘I can’t see it but I can feel goose bumps.’ During this vision, I also received an anointing of creativity, poetry and writing. In fact, I even received a three-page prophetic poem that I read at our wedding. I still write prophetic poems for my wife to this day.”
If God knew that Jessa Hasbrook, then a little girl, would wind up being “perfect” for Todd, then why didn’t He tell him to wait and not marry Shonnah? Could God have gotten it spectacularly wrong? Why did He help him marry the “non-perfect woman”. (One can guess that Todd has a lot more fun being an evangelist than being a husband and dad, so why didn’t the Lord tell Bentley to wait?
The truth may well be that this vision was a lie. Bentley has never explained why he is doing what he is doing if that vision was real. This video might have been a good opportunity to, but he doesn’t bother to take advantage of it. Joyner:
“I can imagine that it is going to be uncomfortable for Shonnah, I mean to meet Jessa…I so appreciate her courage in saying ‘We gotta do this…”
How accurate would his assessment of her character be if he doesn’t know her name?
Jessa took the floor. She is 26 and hails from Sacramento, California. This would explain all the Nessie-like sightings of the pair in the area before Todd entered the restoration process. They were probably hanging out with her family. She is part-Korean—Bentley mentions his new wife’s Korean family on his Twitter feed—so if they are not very fluent in English, awkward questions would be easy to deflect.
Jessa said that she and Todd have been friends starting in 2007, when he came to Sacramento to work at a conference.
We became pretty good friends. We met through ministry. He came through Sacramento and did a conference and I did the book table. And through there we just started a relationship with other members of the church…
“We”, in this context, refers to Jessa and Todd. Isn’t it odd that she would develop a “relationship” with another woman’s husband with members of the church. What sort of friendship was this? Did they hang out together at the church?
She interned at Fresh Fire Ministries. “I wanted to have my own ministry” she said, “to learn about ministry. She hoped to learn how FFM had developed and grown to help her own work.
How better to develop her own ministry by making herself an indispensable part of another? Especially when Shonnah Bentley is a homebody and not interested in participating in what drives Todd Bentley and is crucial to him?
Did the gears start to turn in her mind a couple of years ago?
Joyner asks her how the relationship started. (Jessa tends to speak in run on sentences, so that is how I will be quoting her.)
…I was doing the book table and the partners stuff, so I was always at the [Lakeland] meetings, I knew that Shonnah and Todd were working through some issues that happened a few years ago and anyone who was involved with Fresh Fire and were friends with Todd knew that they were working through their marriage, that it wasn’t perfect, but that they were working towards that. But when Lakeland happened, you could see that it started to crumble…
Jessa is going off the page here. Todd has maintained throughout that Lakeland did not wreck his marriage. She undercuts him by saying that either something happened at Lakeland or the revival itself made the marriage crumble.
She continues.
…It wasn’t getting better, it was starting to get worse in the midst of the revival and Todd was preaching every night and travelling a lot and doing the best he can to hold together the marriage. But when it broke, he broke. Basically he crumbled and fell apart.
Todd interrupts:
The public didn’t know that Shonnah and I had separated.
She continues:
Yeah, you guys got separated. This was all behind the scenes and this wasn’t obviously in the public [eye] where everybody knew. This was behind the scenes. So when it broke, that’s when he started to not preach every night to take some personal time to himself…
Let’s pause for a moment to parse this.
Todd Bentley was continually in Lakeland. He had hoped to get to the “travelling a lot” phase after Lakeland, but he only went to two or three places during the revival to preach.
Todd, it turns out, was hiding the fact from the worldwide audience that he had separated from his wife. “Obviously”, if the public had known, the revival would have immediately collapsed. Save the revival. Be quiet about it.
It was only then that he started to take breaks from preaching. If Todd was so necessary to the revival, why did he not see the collapse of his marriage as an attack from the devil. If everyone knew about it, they would withdraw from Lakeland as he was.
It logically follows that anything contributing to the further collapse of the marriage could be Satan’s doing as well–to stop the revival—per the hyper-charismatic mindset that Todd Bentley frequents. Like a divorce, a new girlfriend and a second wife. He couldn’t return to the stage at Lakeland and say, “This is my new girlfriend.”
Jessa continues.
He forgot what he wanted to do. And there was a group of us—there were always about 3 or 4 of us—that would hang out with Todd either during the meetings or after the meetings and talk with him because the leaders over the meetings were already at the meetings or in Canada. So he didn’t have a lot of those people to really go to.
Todd interrupts:
Everyone was so busy…
Oh really?
Then why does Stephen Strader, in his book on the Lakeland revival, say that the wanted to meet with Todd and help him and pray with him, but wasn’t able to because of Todd’s handlers.
We also recall Todd mentioning in his webinar that he even was meeting with a professional marriage counselor. Isn’t helping someone with the fallout of their marriage something that counselors do?
We also recall Todd mentioning in his recent webinar that he was constantly with partners, friends and ministers. He could trust none of them with what he was going through? Ministers have no experience in counseling and no Biblical wisdom that they can use to help Todd?
Hmm. Perhaps it may be more truthful to say that the circumstances were such that if he had taken their counseling, they would have also said. “Look, you’re doing Shonnah a dirty. Smarten up.” I don’t know the circumstances, but it seems odd that he would drop the advice of adults and turn to a small group of young people. Unless he wanted counselors who unconditionally accepted his side of the story and lionized him.
Jessa continues.
Yeah and everyone was so busy trying to keep the revival going, trying to keep it out of the public until Todd figured out what he was going to do, what he was gonna do with Shonnah, and when all that was happening, you know, as Todd was crumbling. It was hard for me to see, as he was a leader that I respected, a leader that I honoured, and a leader that I loved and had gleaned a lot from. As I said, I was in the internship, I was on staff and he was someone I really valued.
To see him crumble and fall apart was hard for me to see. At the time, in our group, I was the only girl most of the time. There were other girls. He was weeping a lot, he was crying out to God and praying and when there was a group of us, there were a lot of guys and not a lot of them were there to comfort him when they needed it ‘cause they were men and men don’t take well to vulnerability so…
Todd interrupts:
I’ll share with my buddies. I’ll talk it through…
Jessa continues:
It was so easy just to be there for him…
(Yes, I am sure it was. And only you, and no pair or group of women could do it…)
Jessa continues:
It was so easy just to be there for him and yeah, I’d hold him when he cried. Well there were other people there. No one else knew what to do and I wasn’t going to walk away from that. There was nobody there for him, really except the few of us, you know. And so, I held him one night when he cried. I listened to him when he cried over his marriage, when he cried over his ministry, and he cried over himself.
So if Todd got some hugs from some guys, he would still be married to Shonnah.
In the message that I heard from Shonnah Bentley, she seems like a longsuffering person. Anyone who would let you stay married to them after an extramarital affair in 2005 is very patient. There would have to be an incident, a proximate cause for Shonnah to pack up and leave.
Yet, later on, in the video, Todd mentions that *he* hired a lawyer, *he* filed for divorce and such. Why would he be so sad if the divorce was his idea?
We could guess that Shonnah was tired of Todd being at the revival and said “I’m leaving. You love the revival more than me…” Then, “one night”, Jessa “holds” Bentley when he cries, perhaps to be spotted by Shonnah.
It could be something like Todd choosing to stick with the Lakeland revival…and a pretty girl who likes the revival too and always takes his side.
She continues:
I was there listening to him and through that, there was something that did spark, but not until after—they were already separated—not until after the divorce filings were already in process.
Todd interrupts;
The public didn’t know that I was in the process and a lot of my staff didn’t know. They knew that we were separated but even that was hidden and they didn’t know that I had been in contact with a lawyer. I wasn’t divorced, but I was in the process.
So you were filing for divorce during the Lakeland revival…saying, in public that Christ could heal the sick and raise the dead and, in private, that He couldn’t fix your marriage?
You wonder why Todd didn’t see this as a threat from the devil to stop his part in the “revival” if not the revival itself. If he did, why did he co-operate with the devil’s scene. Someone who used to sell teaching tapes and CDs on the subject of “spiritual warfare” seems to have been blindsided.
Jessa continues (emphasis added) ,
What I do want to say in all this is when it was happening and I and Todd did spark a relationship, even though Todd was getting a divorce and Todd was already separated, it was still wrong for us to have anything romantic REGARDLESS IF ANYTHING PHYSICAL HAPPENED OR NOT that emotional line that we crossed I think was wrong. It was a sin. I think it was a mistake. I missed it. I don’t regret having a relationship with Todd and marrying him, but I do want to repent of the mistakes, the sins that we created along the way.
Contrary to what has been reported on the ‘net, Jessa is not admitting to a physical act of adultery. But neither do we have a Bill Clinton sort of statement here. (“I did *not* have sexual relations with…”) Can she make one?
Viewers of the video might think it odd that Jessa has a nervous smile throughout this part of the video. Even Todd had the sense to at least pretend to choke up a couple of times in the video. (Perhaps this is the closest to an ingratiating Southern belle that you can do nowadays. “I’m so sorry for that li’l ol’ act of adultery…*bats eyes*, *flutters fan*)
Jessa is learning quickly. She is apologizing for whatever you want her to apologize for. Todd admitted to at least an emotional affair to his old board—but they called it “adultery”—so she has to at least acknowledge that. If you think that she did adultery, she’s sorry for that without explicitly stating as much, which will help Todd to get bookings in more conservative churches without her being turned away at the door.
Not that we want to know the gory details, but as a Bene Diction Blogs On commenter discovered recently, if you call Todd Bentley, he will say there was no adultery. If you call his old ministry, they will tell you there was. For the historical record, and for judging who is telling the truth (and thereby judging the character of their ministries), it would be good to know whether physical adultery took place.
My guess? It did.
There is a Biblical ground for wanting some information. After all, you read that David and Bathsheba committed adultery, not that “David sinned grievously”. You read that Paul hated Christians before his conversion and wanted to kill them and you don’t just start with the Damascus road account.
Jessa continues.
I want to ask your forgiveness for being deceived, for allowing things to happen that should never have happened. Todd and I should have waited 6 months to a year after his divorce, not during…
I want people to know that I wasn’t just walking blindly through the whole mess, like ‘Oh whatever”…I want to say that part of the time I was deceived and I did make excuses to justify it and I did try to say that this was right. In hindsight I look back and recognize that it was wrong period.
What leads her to conclude that she is no longer misguided?
Let’s assume, for a moment, that the Christians who argue that there should be no divorce and no remarriage if divorce happens. Judging by some of the reaction on the Internet, a lot of would-be Todd fans feel this way and he would have to make allowances for their beliefs if he intends to get their support again.
What is preventing Todd and Jessa from remaining legally married but starting all over again—dating but not living together—seeking the Lord and wise counsel in a courtship process for a time before living together as man and wife? If a six month to a year delay would have been much better, why not “take one”. Appealing to the “you can’t unscramble an egg” argument won’t satisfy the most conservative Christian critics.
If Todd was so howlingly wrong about Shonnah Bentley—guess he made up that vision—why is he sure that he is so right about Jessa. Wouldn’t a step back help with that too?
Perhaps this is too conservative a suggestion, but what would acting like they should have delayed for up a year look for the new couple if they believed that and didn’t just say it?
Todd adds his two cents:
I knew and nobody else really know—and I had communicated with Shonnah. This had been going on for three years with Shonnah and I, it wasn’t just I met another woman and decided ‘I want a divorce.” You know, in the midst of my separation. In the midst of my ‘I’m gonna get a divorce’, I let myself, in my vulnerability, I nurtured a relationship that should have never happened the way that it happened. One thing that people need to realize that Shonnah and forgiven me and that Shonnah has forgiven Jessa….Other people are more upset than my family is.
It’s funny that Shonnah remains so quiet. Would a brief statement from her help Todd. Unless Todd’s lawyer’s negotiated a property settlement in the divorce that trades property for silence. (Has Todd Bentley reportedly offered “hush money” to his critics in the past?)
If she does forgive her ex-husband—would Shonnah be a moral authority on the appropriateness of divorce and remarriage? A theologian of some kind?
Todd continues.
When you’ve lost a marriage, when you’ve lost love and intimacy ministry doesn’t matter any more nothing matters. You don’t want to keep something together when you lose that intimacy and we lost that and we couldn’t get it back. People say ‘You didn’t try’…we couldn’t get it back.
So Christ could resurrect anything in Lakeland—“31 people raised from the dead!” –except Todd’s marriage?
I gave up. Two people gave up. But I have it now and now because of what I have with Jessa, I’ll never let it go and now I am ready for what God has for me.
So feelings are the most important thing in a relationship? But Todd was convinced due to that vision in his book that Shonnah was the one. God even helped him write love poetry for songs for Shonnah, through Todd, by the Holy Spirit. Did all that mean nothing?
Todd continues:
It’s cost me my entire family, my ministry, my repu (sic)—Nobody did that to me. Not anybody in Canada. Not a leader. Me. My sin cost me. And you don’t see it all at the time. You think it’s going to be easier, it’s going to be a bed of roses. You have no idea…
Yes Todd, “you have no idea” is an apt thing to say.
Rick Joyner concludes the video with a couple of observations on the story of David and Bathsheba, inviting the viewer to suspect that Todd has ever been as godly as David was on his best days. He neglects to notice that this portion of the Bible is more “descriptive’ than “prescriptive”
Evidently, you are supposed to be satisfied by the video as an ad for Bentley’s webinar on the 22nd is superimposed on the screen.
Joyner adds. “We also appreciate Shonnah and the incredible grace…that girl deserves to be a right hander or a left hander in heaven…(i.e. sitting On Jesus’ right or left hand.)
This is an interesting observation as Todd’s thesis that his marriage couldn’t be saved depends on bother parties being equally responsible for the break up. Shonnah being painted as incredibly godly makes the divorce seem almost all Todd’s fault. Which it was, but Joyner shouldn’t want anyone to think that.
Todd Bentley hopes against hope that this video will work, but if I can find his autographed and personally inscribed book (“Candy…”) at Value Village a couple of days after this video was released, evidently unread, he’s going to have his work cut out for him in getting back in the public’s good books.
Christians can differ on the subject of whether the Bible allows divorce and remarriage. Bet dollars for doughnuts that Todd Bentley eventually finds in that overdue theological statement delayed by workouts, and trips to amusement parks and to watch the Yankees play that both are okay.
Writing this post inspired me to open a very useful book on this subject: Divorce and Remarriage: Four Christian Views (IVP, 1990).
Although I am not opening that debate in this post, I thought that some observations by J. Carl Laney, who argues for no divorce and no remarriage in this book, are very useful for another reason. Mr. Laney makes an interesting point that marriage is intended in the Bible to be a very covenantal thing.
He writes:
“What is marriage anyway? While many have thought of it merely as a legal agreement, the Bible reveals that the marriage union involves much more. Based on our study, marriage could be defined as God’s act of joining a man and a woman in a permanent, covenanted, on-flesh relationship.”
“The Bible calls marriage a “covenant” (Mal 2:14; Prov 2:17) and God is not in the business of breaking covenant relationships…God’s Word instructs that “a man shall not violate his word; he shall do according to all that proceeds out of his mouth” (Numbers 30:2) NASB). Ecclesiastes 5:4-6 warns of God’s displeasure toward those who make a vow they refuse to keep. Psalm 15:4 highlights the priority of faithfulness to one’s word in spite of the personal cost.”
“Marriage is built on a promise made before God, friends and family members. Perhaps promise-keeping is the key issue of the doctrine of the permanence of marriage…..”
Dating back eight years ago to when I was covering him for the Report newsmagazines…there is abundant evidence that Todd Bentley has often resorted to lying. He played fast and loose with the truth at Lakeland as well.
Can we expect that someone who has made a lifetime’s practice of not keeping a promise to be true and faithful would not be true to his marriage? Could we not instead have feared and predicted that that would happen?
Wouldn’t you have expected that if he broke faith with his audience that he might break faith with Shonnah as well?
It remains an undercurrent in discussion of Bentley that he has proven to be a false person in the past. Why hasn’t Joyner addressed this in the many videos that he and Bentley have made?
“Trust me” talk won’t work with Todd Bentley anymore.
Thank God.
[My headline is adapted from an aside by religion editor Frank Lockwood of the Arkansas Democrat who, on his religious news blog when the videos started appearing, titled his note on Mr. Bentley's restoration process: "Sorry about the adultery. Please send $$$” So thanks, and credit, to him.]
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Thanks for adding the YouTube highlights.
I find MorningStar and FreshFire sites so ridiculously media-rich that they freeze my computers – that 2 OS’s and 2 mgs of ram worth of freezing.
So much hurt, deception and lies. Their story reminds me of a huge whirlwind, that got bigger over time, and eventually started to suck the life out of everything it came into contact with.
I’m glad they are speaking out. We will never see or know it all, but it can stop some of the confusion that feeds the whirlwind.
Thanks as always to BD for welcoming the post on his blog…
In wanting so badly to compare themselves to David and Bathsheba, they seem not to realize that David’s reign and family were never the same after that episode…the consequences of David’s ‘indiscretion’ were much more far-reaching than a brief time of anguish and disfavour with God.
My feeling is that I really wish Todd and his paramour would just have the decency to duck out of sight behind some bushes or something and stay there for a few years. Call me old-fashioned, but what kind of man gets his former mistress, now his wife, on camera to publicly talk about their sordid affair, anyhow?
We were in Matthew 7 last week in our Sunday School class, and this had Bentley written all over it-
I’m not 100% sure that this applies, for I don’t have access to the Lamb’s Book of Life, but he’s dangerously close to that point if not already there.
“There is a price to be paid…”…Todd Bentley
The greater Price to be paid is the one that must be paid by false prophets and anti-Christ ministers…who deceive the innocent and defile the Temple of the Holy spirit , His church.
“Tens of thousands of healings.” …”31 resurrections from the DEAD!”……”Tens and tens of thousands of salvations!”
Todd Bentley concerning Lakeland.
Reality: zero, zero and zero.
“A mighty Pentecostal revival!”
..The description of some concerning Lakeland.
Reality: adultery, angelic, demonic glorification, theft, and drunkenness, and psychopathic lying.
His adulterous affair, now glossed over and sanctified by fellow accomplices in the demon-fest that Lakeland was, is small potatoes and the least of Todd’s worries about the PRICE. The price is Hell, and I believe he is uncovered and ruined to pervert no more for his time on Earth.
Other than that, and God’s unbending promise that He would destroy anyone who destroyed His Temple, Todd has smooth sailing ahead.
I had been a follower of Rick Joyner’s ministry and considered it of value at one time. Over the past few years however, I’ve considered his ministry and the ministry of the “super prophets” and “super apostles” to be vain hype. I do believe in prophesy, but it has to be part of a healthy balanced ministry where serving the lost and the poor come far ahead of hearing what the word for the year is, or what anointing is about to come.
Clearly the enemy has taken a large group of our brothers and sisters into deception. Rick Joyner, in my opinion, is part of this group that has lost discernment and lacks wisdom. But because such a high emphasis is placed on “revelation”, Rick and those in his circles may not see it. I’m not with the crowd that will label him a false prophet, nor will I label Todd in that way, but I no longer trust either Rick or Todd.
I have been praying for Todd and Rick. Clearly they need it. I will not follow their leadership or trust their ministry or teaching, but I am not prepared to label them as from the enemy. It’s been said that Christians often kill off their wounded. I’d rather see Rick and Todd healed and delivered from deception.
In my youth there was a period of time when I was hearing deceiving voices that I thought was God. Loving, praying family members, restored me to the truth.
I pray for Rick and Todd that they are restored to the truth. To the truth, not to ministry. To me, their ministry is invalid and dangerous. How God handles that, who knows? It’s not for me to decide. I would imagine however that many people will see the foolishness that Rick is displaying. I actually think that some good can come from this: surely many others will now look at Rick Joyner and know that he’s off track. To me it seems that he has been wandering from the straight path for several years, now it’s clear that he’s gone too far. May correction come to him, his ministry and to Todd.
At one point, there were other leaders involved in overseeing Todd after he fell. I believe it was Bill Johnson and Che Ahn, (or Jack Deere? John Arnott?) I wonder if that is still the case. I can’t imagine them supporting Rick’s online interview of Todd and Jessa. Frankly, what Christian leader could?
I’d be interested to hear what these men or other leaders in their circles have to say. Does anyone know what any of these men have said?
….and Rick Joyner, ‘knighted’ by the Knights of Malta, a Catholic order, by his own admission – spiritually castrated by the Queen of Heaven like all the rest of her priests since she will only be served by spiritual ‘eunuchs’….
…eunuchs have no strength to be able to wage war with the sharp two-edged sword that can divide between bone and marrow, they are unable to impregnate with the word of God – Todd Bentley is sitting there, full of demons literally almost to bursting point and Rick Joyner who believes himself and is wrongly believed by many to be a great man of God is unable to muster the strength to implant the word which will set Todd free, unable to wield the sword of the Spirit. Instead Joyner offers him false and flacid comfort which ensures Todd’s continued captivity.
I’m sure this is not news to some, but it’s becoming clearer to me that this is what is happening to the church at large – spiritual castration to get them ready to serve the Queen of Heaven under the bowl/dome of the Roman Church. “She” wants to make them all into eunuchs in order to maintain “her” pre-eminence and dominance. (Catholic priests are not allowed to become husbands or to father children, which we know is a living parable of Christ and his bride, the true church.) There are implications regarding homosexuality and pedophilia as well, of course in the Catholic priesthood, and also remember Paul Cain, an alcoholic homosexual false prophet who Joyner also endorsed and promoted…but I believe the Lord is dealing with and will deal with this false “mother” church and will set free many who are in bondage who are willing. He is absolutely and surely able because He is the Lord God Almighty, His name is above every name, the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords, He is the Lord of the Armies of Heaven, and He is our Father. The Jerusalem that is above is our mother.
I wonder if the deadly habits, that were involved around Todd Bentley’s ministry have ever been addressed. If sex, money, anger and power, just to name some, were involved, I hope Mr. Joyner made sure those issue were put to death during the restoration process.
If some of these issues are not resolved, there could be people mis-directed again. After all, Todd Bentley is out there going full force again, and with his new wife by his side.
I don’t want to hurt anyone, but there sound like some very serious issues that really needed to be addressed.
Jesus fought battles against those with lifeless traditions. Remember, that Todd’s ministry, prior to the it’s downfall, was quite good at moving forward, and doing it in a traditional manner. Just an observation I’m making.
I suppose what I’m getting at is, when it comes to our faith in Jesus Christ and taking a stand, look for faithful, consitant commitment. Maybe we can all learn from this, and ask ourselves, “What’s our posture towards God?”
I watched the video (until I couldn’t watch anymore) that you posted of Bentley’s church service. Based on the information contained within that video and this article- why do Christian leaders (from other denominations even) not speak to Bentley’s group and speak out about this false teaching? Doesn’t the Bible’s instruction re: church discipline refer to the entire body of Christ? Or maybe, based on this behavior, Christian leaders don’t believe that Bentley, Joiner and their team are part of the body and so don’t fall under this instruction? It makes me sick as non-believers often lump all Christians into one category — crazy.
The good time they seemto be having got to me to. The minute she was introduced I knew that was her invite into ministrys ‘hall of fame’ showcase’. Remorse with a smile is deplorable. To drag King David down to a level of useage portrayed, is unthinkable, to assume we are blind to their machinations and manipulations is beyond acceptance. The are creating mockery as they and have not for one moment considered the price the lord paid to show us their lies in this time. They are laughing at us all the way to the bank and I am hurt that my Jesus is losing credibility in the hands of these peoples greed for power and position.
Meant to say they walk in mockery. Sorry got so cross at the deception
The ministry seeks our wealth, so, they increase and we decrease. The church is one of the wealthiest ‘land owners’. Something tells me that something is wrong here. The pharisees are ‘charging for salvation’.
“He that has no sin let him (her) cast the first stone”
Little One,
It’s very nice that you can quote scripture. Unfortunately you’ve used this one in the wrong context here.