Comments on: Ambassador Raymond Joseph speaks truth to Pat Robertson

By: Cleveland Clunis

Cleveland Clunis — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:47:05 +0000

I finally got a chance to learn more about what Pat Robinson had said about Haiti’s Slave Leaders making a Pact with the devil that has lead to the catastrophes that hit Haiti. I know that the issue has a long time ago, but it came up in a lecture I listened to and I thought it would be something worth writing down.

Q. Is it wrong for an American Religious leader to make a statement like what Pat Robinson presented?

Q. Does that religious leader atomically become a mean person?

Q. Does his opinion disqualify him from being sincere in his support for the people of Haiti?
Q. Is he insincere when he gives money and help because he states that opinion?

Q. How does that opinion negatively affect the giving of his parishioners to the cause of Haiti? Did his parishioners give less due to his statement? Did it affect their giving negatively?

Q. Should anyone who has that opinion keep their money to themselves?

Q. Is that type of statement being “Unwise in compassion”? What does it mean to not be wise in our compassion?

Q.What are some of the ways that people can be unwise in their compassion. (Example: is it compassionately wise to give needles to drug addicts to keep them from dying when you know they are using it to continue their drug use?)?

Q. Should those who object with a statement his be in the right to bring up certain things about the person’s life or ministry to discredit them even if those things have no relevance to the person’s statement?

Q. is Pat Robinson’s statement ill timed or just plain unkind?

Q. Are all the people who speak compassion for the people of Haiti more on the side of Haiti than the people give Haiti but think the country’s Voodo is the cause of it’s suffering?

Q. Did the negative reaction of a large majority change the opinion of many who believe Haiti has done wrong why these happen, or are they just keeping quiet for fear of retribution for their opinions?

Q. After getting reactions like the following, would you share your opinion until you find out what the “Unified” opinion is? “bully pulpit ignorance” “Cruel and unfeeling and self-interested” “the word Reverend should be used in the same sentence with this name.” grab for attention at the expense of a suffering country” .

Q. During the debates as to whether these statements are true or not, how many people knew anything about the history of Haiti? Folklore or not?

Q. Should Haiti not accept money from anyone who thinks the way Pat Robinson Thinks?

Q. Have there been a negative slowdown of giving from anyone of Pat Robinson’s supporters in the effort to help Haiti?

Q. Can you be sincere in your giving top someone or something yet have a different opinion from everyone else as to the cause of the person’s problem? Does your opinion disqualify you from your support of the person?
Please don’t think I agree with Pat Robinson. I don’t stake any claim to that, in fact after reading the opinions I don’t think it’s safe to have any other opinion other than the one acceptable to the general population. Im merely trying to pose some questions. Also, for those who give opinions from a Chrsitian perspective, take a step back and ask yourself if your opinion is from you being human and having a human compassion or have you made reference to scriptures to support your decisions about Mr. Robertson. Please don’t think of me badly, I do nice things and I think nice thoughts too just like yours.
Regards

By: John Payzant

John Payzant — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:02:03 +0000

John Payzant

I think there could’ve been wiser words from Pat Robertson of the 700 Club.

From what I’ve observed, Haiti wasn’t the most developed country and in the best shape to begin with.

So, an earth quake came along combined with the present conditions of the buildings reacting to the plates in the ground moving below them was a very bad disaster indeed.

Some person from China giving aid to Haiti said the earthquakes in a larger country like China were worse though than the ones in Haiti.

So, hearing this comparison was not only informative but changed my picture of this very tragic situation that was not the worst not as bad as other situations.

Part of what people do really need is to have the best outlook that they can possibly have.

There can be mentors that can encourage in the people of Haiti an outlook that would resonate with the present circumstances they are going through.

Persons within and without the country of Haiti can collectively help bring the healing process about.

Our human nature and our aptitudes to be able to move on is important.

By: Mike

Mike — Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:26:37 +0000

The Haitian Ambassador Raymond Joseph is an idiot himself…

I don’t know how he became ambassador.

The guy is extremely arrogant, he is disgrace to all Haitian people, he needs to quit!

By: Therese

Therese — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:43:14 +0000

To sermonize the victims of a horrific earthquake and blame them for all their troubles, in front of an international TV audience, when they’re raw and bleeding, writhing in pain and still in shock – that isn’t the love of Jesus Christ, it isn’t even human love – that’s rubbing salt into their wounds. “If your brother sins, rebuke him.” That’s all some are doing in the course of distancing themselves as far away as possible from his remarks. I’m not necessarily impressed with large charitable organizations either, I’m sure they do good and I’m grateful they’re around, but it doesn’t necessarily take love to run one, it just takes money (usually other people’s) and administrative skills.

Life has been good to Pat Robertson, as Bene’s comment makes me realize – Diamond mines? Perhaps life is so good he’s a little divorced from the reality of pain and suffering, which led to his unfortunate thoughtlessness. It’s such a shame that the world and most Christians of today think Christianity is what we see represented on television – it’s not.

By: Bene Diction

Bene Diction — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:19:09 +0000

Elsie:

Robertson has a bully pulpit and what he did and does frequently in using it is harmful. I was glad to see so many of his fellow citizens tear into him. He has interfered in Central America, used his Operation Blessing planes for diamond mine business in Africa, etc. There are other accountable and effective charities in Virginia people can give to.
With Robertson it’s always the beginning of sorrows, exploiting and twisting scripture (ie: law of reciprocity) is one way he became a multi-millionaire. Are some people practically helped by his Operation Blessing? No doubt, but at what cost?

By: Therese

Therese — Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:06:47 +0000

Even if there is some truth to what Robertson said, to say it at such a time, when people are buried alive under concrete, traumatized, in pain, mourning for dead and lost loved ones, maimed and injured, thirsty and hungry in the hot Haitian sun, not knowing if or when help would arrive – to wag his finger in their faces at such a moment, one has to wonder at his motives, or his judgment or both. And I think a quick glance at some historical facts makes us realize also that many of Haiti’s problems can be laid squarely at the feet of those who oppressed and took advantage of them to such an extent that they have never even had a chance – it’s really not that complicated. Sure there is sin, but I highly doubt America is any less sinful than Haiti and we don’t even have to turn over rocks any more to see it – all we have to do is turn on the television to get the idea – it’s pretty much all there.

By: Elsie E. Bigger

Elsie E. Bigger — Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:58:20 +0000

The Bible says speak truth in love. I don’t see much love here.
Can’t you see satan dancing with glee at how happy the “Christian community”is to tare into a fellow Christian?
We in the US had our Katrina, our Mt. St. Helen and the floods that took bodies from cemetaries, floating them away and almost dividing our country in half.
These things coming upon the earth are only the beginnings of sorrows.
However unwise the timing of Pat’s remarks, the truth of the beginning of sorrows needs to be pointed out while people can still come to Jesus.
OPERATION BLESSING of the 700 Club proves the LOVE that comes with the sometimes unwelcom TRUTH> In Christian Love, Elsie

By: jmac

jmac — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 20:50:21 +0000

A lot of reactions to Roberston stem from an incomplete and therefore skewed understanding of the Bible. Here is an article that tries to take a broader view.

By: Therese

Therese — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:26:12 +0000

Bless you for speaking here today, Henry Robinson – like a breath from heaven dear brother and it refreshes me! May the Lord continue to be your strength and comfort there in the south where bigotry is so terribly entrenched. There is a place where God’s children are joined in the Spirit – just yesterday my heart was weeping as I was listening to a hymn that made me think of the slaves of America and that all they had to look forward to was “flying away”. So sad the things that go on in this fallen world, but God is looking on, He is keeping accounts, and He blesses those who mourn with eternal blessings. I also communicated briefly with my old pastor yesterday evening, passing along a warning about certain ministries which came to my e-mail, which was not well-received, and that also saddened me. But the Lord knows all, and we rest in His sovereignty even as we fellowship with the Man of sorrows who is aquainted with grief.

By: Henry Robinson

Henry Robinson — Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:49:12 +0000

True ministers of Christ are also stewards of the mysteries of God, stewards of the deep things of God’s secret counsel concerning what this is really all about in the world, from the beginning to its end. Although Pat Robertson profess to be a minister of the gospel, it is evidently clear that he is spiritually ignorant of the the eternal truths of Scripture. When the Scripture is read aright, and without bias, Scripture reveals that God’s wrath is upon the whole earth, and that these things happening the world over are signs that the world as we know it today is drawing closer to the time when at the consummation of all things, there will be the end of all the woes, social ills, dysfunctions, the universal ethnic cultural identity crisi and conflict will be put down, according to the immortal light of eternal truth of Scripture which supernaturally keeps God’s eternal truth from destruction and perversion by men like Pat Robertson masquerading as ministers of Christ. I have a full clear spiritual understanding of the eternal truths of Scripture, and God’s wrath being revealed from heaven, but that doesn’t hardens me toward any people, even those who were the perpetrators of the Translantic Voyage and the Trail of Tears, and the experiences of Jim Crow in my birth place here in the south. When one comes to true faith, the Holy Spirit guides and leads them to speak truths, without bias and bigotry, but in the case of Pat Robertson, I have been convinced for quite sometime that ethnic bigotry in him has been covered with the false paint of apostate White Christianity, which every now and then, that which is veiled and hidden in his dark soul, find its way to express itself openly. Scripture reveals that we are all known by our own fruit: A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bring forth that which is good; an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth that which is evil: For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks. New creatures in Christ look at the events of world affairs with eyes whose lens has been washed and cleansed from spiritual atrophy because of sin, apostasy and rebellion, and we see that the whole world is passing through the birth pains of vanity, fultility and the bondage to corruption, eagerly and earnestly waiting and looking for the day when its sufferings will come to an end. Pat Robertson needs to examine himself whether he be in the faith. I moan and groan within myself each day looking at the consequences of sin and rebellion of mankind against God, which has brought about the fruits from which we all suffer. Pat Robertson, when spiritually examined proves that he is not a true minister of God! So with that in mind, and since many have already rebeuked his arogant remarks, Scripture commands, “He that is an heretic, after the first and second adminition reject! Only those who thinks like him and believes in his doctrines follow and support him! Others trun away and ignore! You can’t provide humanitarian support while at the same time condemn the people for what took place centuries ago by the progenitors of the ethnic culture. Pat Robertson is ignorant of the true spiritual reality that the largest part of the universal visible church community are devil worshippers, and don’t know it! God is not the author of the divisions existing in the Christian church world today, as if God has compartmentalized heaven for these church divisions, according to universal ethnic culturalism! One needs to truly examine where one is standing his own beliefs as one professing Christ, for one could well be a minister of Satan and don’t know it!