Let’s be fair.
This showed up in my inbox March 7th. It’s from Faytene Kryskow’s personal Facebook page, the one you have to be approved by the owner to see. Not to be mistaken with her product page. Ms. Kryskow has 4 thousand+ people friends, able to respond to the above queries.
Ms. Kryskow runs 4MyCanada and TheCry. 4MyCanada  does not have charitable status.
She hangs out with people willing to pay her to go and talk to MP’s and Senators on Parliament Hill.
That is called The Siege and they hold an event or so a year called Siege Canada.
Last I checked Ms. Kryskow doesn’t have lobby status, but that’s a topic for another day. Â She also hangs out with others at the extreme right fringe (politically and theologically) in Canada and the US. Lou Engle, Patricia King, Charles McVety, Dick Deweert come to mind. Some of us cast an eye in their direction once in awhile so you don’t have to.
Have you read the Income Tax Act? I haven’t. Few have. Taunting task that, which is why many people setting up a charity, study, learn, work hard and hire a lawyer who has read it.
Lois asks a fair question. She didn’t get a response, because, well, hey, it’s one of those questions most citizens already have an intutitive understanding of what the answer may be.
Let’s help Ms. Kryskow and Lois out. Let’s help them out because it doesn’t look like  4000+ other Facebook friends are going to.
hey, neat guidelines with rules, laws and regulations.
A registered charity must be created for charitable purposes and must devote its resources (funds, personnel, and property) to charitable activities. A registered charity is permitted to carry out its charitable purposes, both inside and outside Canada, in only two ways: by carrying on its own charitable activities, and by gifting to qualified donees.
A registered charity must maintain direction and control over its activities (whether carried out by the charity, or by an agent or contractor on its behalf) and must not engage in prohibited political activities or unrelated business activities.
Change in Governing Documents hey, more neat guidelines for registered charities which have been approved. hey, and checklists so people don’t run afoul of their granted priviledge.
Not using your charity? (Dissolution clause) hey, Revenue Canada is there to help.
Policy Statement
Under the Income Tax Act, a registered charity can only transfer its remaining assets to a qualified donee upon its dissolution. Therefore, a registered charity’s governing documents should include a clause to the effect that upon winding up or dissolution, all its remaining assets after payment of its debts must be distributed to one or more qualified donees.
However, where aNotice of Intention to Revoke a Charity’s Registration (Form T2051A) has been issued, a registered charity can only transfer assets to an eligible donee during the winding-up period.
Okay. We’re getting an idea of how the federal government wants it’s citizens to serve and be served and we have more than just deduction to go by.
Let’s pretend we ran a charity. We’ll call it TheSob.
We agree upon granting of charitable status we will follow the law.
One of those laws say we can’t do more that 10% of our work in the political field.
Apart from clear rules, there are policy papers, information letters and people you can call and ask.
We don’t need or use TheSob any more.
hey, we have to let Revenue Canada know our work is done.
If we don’t, Revenue Canada will let us know.
If we don’t file a return called a T3010 within a two year period of our fiscal year end, TheSob becomes defunct.
That BNN registration number is gone, raptured back to where ever the Canadian Government puts it to rest.
But staying fair here; what if we at TheSob want to give to another in the way Ms. Kryskow is asking for?
Revenue Canada has that covered.
Associated Status hey, neat guideline, including a form to fill out. I’m not quite sure that is what Ms. Kryskow is looking for. re-designation? hey, another form.
Let’s wrap this up for Lois and Faytene and friends. I’m not a tax lawyer, charity operator, foundation leader, neo-charismatic leader or prophet and I don’t play one online.
Are we allowed to lend TheSob to someone else?
Teh google and Revenue Canada rules, regulations and laws to the rescue.
7. Can a registered charity lend its registration number to another registered or non‑registered charity?
No. Under no circumstances should a registered charity lend its registration number to another organization for receipting purposes. A charity that lends its registration number risks losing its charitable registration. A donor who accepts a falsified official donation receipt will risk having the tax credit disallowed and may be subject to fines.
hey, I have a question, does anyone have an answer?
Who is Ms. Kryskow’s friend/someone in need, who is /needing/wanting’ charitable status?
* update: see comments. Technically Ms. Kryskow personally asked for a charitable status not being used, not in her capacity as founder/director of 4MyCanada. She asks that be corrected.
Update: Ms. Kryskow has updated her Facebook page with a message from a ministry which is not soliciting donations because their application is not complete. See comments.
I’m just guessing, but might it be Dick Deweert’s ministry?
http://dickdeweert.blogspot.com/2010/01/ministry-update-our-journey-to-date.html
“We now have an organization entitled Dick Deweert Ministries Association (DDMA). DDMA is a autonomous self-governed non profit corporation registered in Alberta and governed by an elected Board of Directors. We will operate this ministry association using the Unite For Dominion name.”
What’s disturbing is how Ms Kryskow considers a C license
as a commodity like a car or no longer needed article.
In other words, sign the appropriate documents and the
deal is done.
It demonstrates her naievete or her sheer stupidity.
A C-license is not a transferrable document like
ownership to a car and it cannot be traded like
goods at a garage or boot sale.
If she can commodify charity in that way–and it
certainly does look it–what else does she commodify?
Perhaps her “teachings” are also of the same calibre;
merely a means to an end and that end is in her
bookstore or Product Page. (What an apt description!)
Her knowledge of the real world doesn’t seem to be
there.
Funny thing, I went to facebook and Faytene Kryskow and
got in with no trouble. She has less than 800 friends.
For all the times she has spoken to so many in such
great numbers, 800 is a small following.
Or, am I missing something?
You can’t “legally” transfer a charity but take an existing one and with a quick change in the board of directors, new president, new direction, voila, you now have a charity with a “new or renewed vision”. All legit, but totally unscrupulous. I don’t think they would label this as the “wealth transfer” though.
Torontonian, you are missing something: http://www.facebook.com/faytene
She’s never applied for one either. The last time I did it, it took in excess of 2 years, and required us to go back to Alberta’s Corporate Registries, re-file new objects and amend our bylaws.
Hey Bene
.
Just wondering if you got my post from a few hours ago as I have not seen it posted yet while others have been. Let me know if you need me to type it out again.
Our board is watching for it.
Many blessings and thanks!
Faytene
Hi Faytene:
I didn’t get one. Just checked the moderateds, the spam filter.
Not there, sorry.
Pleased to see you back, I thought you were done with us.
There is, if I remember correctly a form of incorporation for existing charities, but it may be what Tim is talking about.
A charity application is a long process as Mrs. Spit pointed out.
All the T’s have to be crossed and the I’s dotted.
Fair enough, there has been enough exploitation, and Rev Can meant what it said when the crackdown was announced.
Therese, you are correct – Dick Deweert has started a new organization called Unite for Dominion. He uses the title Dr. off Dick Deweert Ministries Association (DDMA), which Unite is a part of, but his doctorate is only an honourary.
http://www.unitefordominion.ca/
Thanks. I forgot about that.
I’d like to see what Faytene has to say in response to your post too…
*jealous*
Hey Bene,
Retyping this from a few hours ago (from memory).
Thank you for the warm welcome and for the continued promotion
Bene!!
(I don’t actually frequent your site because of how many good people you continuously slander on it, but I did see this post come through a Google feed and because of the organizational content took a quick read.)
To answer your question: my querie was not for myself and was not for MY Canada as you posted in the title of this blog (your title is factually false). The querie on my personal FB was for a friend of mine who is doing amazing work in missions and has simply out grown herself and needs to upgrade administratively. I am a big cheerleader of all she does for the poor.
Seeing as you allowed my personal information (home address) on this blog before in a very inappropriate manner I will not be giving you her personal information. I am sure you can understand why given the track record of your blog of 1) misinformation and 2) inappropriate information (posting the home addresses of single women) that I would not want to give you her name.
Regardless, nothing came of the Face Book status question…so it is all irrelevant at this point. No charity is being transferred to anyone and my friend has now told me her church is going to expand their objectives to include her great work.
As for the “borrowing” of a charity. There was no intent to do that. Suggesting this is misinformation and false.
That being said, the information you posted about CRA is interesting so I appreciated the CRA read on that. Most of it I knew but it is always a great read, especially in light of the announced changes last week. Great stuff though. I will forward the information onto my friend so she is sure to stay in CRA boundaries. That will not be a problem.
Regarding MYC:
As I already clarified, the question was not for MY Canada but was on my personal FB page, and that you are not a part of, as you pointed out. MYC is not a charity and we are not seeking to be one.
As for lobbist registry. We spoke at length with the Office of the Commissioner of Lobbying Canada years ago and keep in touch with them on a regular basis as regulations change. They have assured us that because none of us are paid lobbists and we are not seeking to be. OCLC assured us we do not need to register and we are in great standing. They also congratulated us on being active citizens working on issues like Human Trafficking, Euthanasia, Poverty, Life etc. You are right, these government help desks are very helpful and we will continue to be in touch with them whenever we have a question.
On another “regulations note,” as for my personal FB site, I will be in touch with FB regarding their privacy regulations regarding re-posting sections of private pages without permission. I am almost certain you have likely breached copyright law here.
From my friend list I can see that “Bene Diction” is not on it so you were posting what is technically private, and from what I understand copyrighted information. So, I am interested to see what Face book will say. With the tech world moving so fast we all must keep our “T’s” of understanding crossed there…so I will check into that. I am sure it will be useful information to know.
I am going to give you the benifit of the doubt and assume that you were not using a fake FB account or using someone else to “spy” for you…that would be creepy for way too many reasons.
Secondly, we are looking into the legalities of false allegations being made on public blogs against a legal organization. When you stated in your title, “…can you spare a charity? 4MyCanada wants to borrow one” this was a completely false allegation and potentially libelous as it intends to paint the organization in a poor light (clearly your intent and the intent of some of the comments posted afterwards).
Most people with an open/clean heart and balanced perspective who come across this blog will be able to see right through your negative spin, so, I personally am not super concerned about the lie — however, I cannot speak for the board of MYC who will have to decide this for themselves. Because you are not only maligning me personally (which I have come rejoice in, on the basis of scripture which tells us all to “rejoice” when we are insulted), but you are now making false allegations about an organization, you are in another zone all together. Again, I cannot speak for the board, they will have to look at it themselves.
To recap: You were quoting a status update on my personal FB page (which is private) on behalf of a friend…neither of which have anything to do with MYC.
If you would like to be on MYC’s FB you are totally welcome. If MYC every posts a question about anything, you will see it there not on my personal page. Here it is: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28039838704
On a personal note…
Bene, I bless you with my whole heart…honestly and even just had a time of prayer just for you
.
My prayer is that you would be so full of the love of Jesus Christ that you would walk in the purity of that love in all you do. So many throughout the Bible threw stones only to find out after that they were wrong. Your stone here was completely incorrect….as are so many on this blog that you have written about so many good men and women.
My prayer for your readers is that they would also be graced with the revelation to see right through the stones to the face of Christ.
Many blessings Bene…. the greatest of which is the revelation of the Heart of God.
Faytene
PS – I am so glad you got the flaming pink hair picture!! That was a great one.
PSS – no matter how badly you want me to be a columnist for this blog, I will have to respectfully decline as we are busy in the work of trying to help women in the sex traffick trade right now.
As director of 4MyCanada, what you put online is up to you.
Would you show me where your personal address is on this blog?
Thanks for the invite, I look forward to all the copyright issues you and your board plan to address.
Glad to hear your friend is getting the support she needs for her work.
If her church is a registered charity, too bad her leadership didn’t point her in the right direction.
Bene
Faytene Kryskow had an mailing address in Vancouver advertised on her websight
If the mailing address was also a personal address she did have the option to use s Post Office Box.
The only person more likely to get into legal trouble is Faytene
Even when I took notes down at the Cry Lumbernmens’ Arch there were errors the Cry had made but with all of the information they’re giving out that can happen.
Then Faytene comes on and corrects the mistakes claiming they weren’t made and the corrections is what she said.
Faytene Kryskow is innapropriate in her conduct and that cannot be changed when she shoved me down the sidewalk in 2004 at Extreme Prophetic. She called a public sidewalk, ‘private property’ and the Cordial Hall which is owned by Killarney Community Center ,which is a charity, who rented it to Salvation Army who let Faytene use the building but she said, ‘we own the building’
HerCry Venue at Abbotsford Christian Assembly with Worship Invasion and one person listed on the ACA websight as Elder/Apostle sounds New Apostolic Revolution as blazes
Talk about slander, it started with Worship Invasion also in 2004 at Peace Portal Alliance when they said to me, “Do you know you are never allowed to go to a Fresh Fire Conference again because you -Prayed Over A Woman and Took The Ring Off of Her Finger?”
That slander was gossiped to Faytene Kryskow at Extreme Prophetic at Cordial Hall resulting in her knowing my name and not being very nice.
These are low down, kick em when they’re down, dirty pool methods that are non-committal, not taking ownership and accountability.
I find Faytene’s reactions on this blog to be quite defensive.
Her comment on the Cry Lumbermens’ Arch to me ,’You typed in a prayer no starting with Our Father what God do you worship?’
I’ll let her figure out on her own what God I worship
Faytene, instead of reacting as you so frequently do (without really thinking first), I suggest you read the article again. The image showed up in Bene’s email. In other words sent by someone else.
I went through this whole dilemma with Dick Deweert (Dewert) in 2005. He was accusing me of doing virtually the same thing with Miracle Channel prayer updates as you are accusing Bene of when it comes to “copyrighted content”.
No point in digging a new well when there’s still plenty of good water left in the old one.
Head on over and have a read: http://www.politicsorchrist.com/ and while you’re at it, you might even want to consider some of the points presented.
I no longer argue politics from a Christian perspective as I am no longer a professing Christian (in part because of people like you, Dewert, Bentley, Prankard, Goll, King, Coking, Cocking, Petrie, Gingras, etc., showing me where religion leads. BTW, thanks for that. Now I’m free!!!). That being said, I now believe more than ever that there’s no place in politics for religion. As a good friend of mine used to say, you can’t legislate morality. There was never a law written that changed the heart of a person, so why don’t you just let your god be god and find something better to do with your life and then I can find something better to do with mine.
Let’s face it, this post is only about a stupid inquiry on your part. If you’d just take the time to learn before you speak, chances are you’d be written about in a positive light, or at least an intelligent one.
P.S., if you think that religion belongs in politics and you can justify it by continually referencing the presence of Psalm 72:8 on the peace tower, I suggest you read all the sides of the tower, and perhaps some history books. Even with a quick search, you will have to concede the presence of gargoyles and grotesques (hmm, now how did they get there, and they’re even on the top of the tower! http://www.collineduparlement-parliamenthill.gc.ca/histoire-history/1916-1965-01-eng.html ). If you again took the appropriate time to learn, I’m confident you’ll find your god isn’t the only one represented.
“Regardless, nothing came of the Face Book status question…so it is all irrelevant at this point.”
Faytene, no matter what has come of the Face Book status question, simply asking the question reveals much about your lack of regard for the laws that govern our nation. Laws that are put in place to ensure that charitable “privileges” do not get abused by any church or religious organization.
I have to wonder if you might not actually believe that a cause you deem honorable and worthy of charitable status, should be able to exempt itself from having to comply with the lengthy and detailed CRA application process for obtaining charitable status. I also wonder, if you could find a way to circumvent the process, either illegally or illegitimately, would you claim victory like so many do and then give god praise for allowing you to get away with it?
Asking if anyone out there has a charitable status they are not using sounds recklessly arrogant, if not outright deviant. And definitely not in following with the godly mandate you proclaim to live for. And YOU want to make Canada a righteous nation? By whose definition? Surely not yours.
You seem like a clever gal Faytene, and you mentioned in your reply that you already knew most of the information that Bene posted about the CRA, yet based on your question , it appears you were deliberately trying to circumvent CRA law. Even with your diversion tactics and accusations, that little slip-up can’t so easily be brushed under the carpet no matter how hard you try.
And by the way, it really doesn’t sound much like you’re rejoicing in all those stones and insults being thrown your way. We can all see through your own brand of spin.
Dear Bene:
I always read the blog, but I gotta say, with all due respect, I do get tired of seeing the same story posted by John P every time Faytene posts here, or you blog about her.
I am all for freedom of speech, but it starts to feel *yucky* when someone keeps bringing up something that is supposed to be forgiven, and if I am not mistaken, Faytene asked forgiveness for right on your blog.
I am all for healthy discussion, chewing through theologies and opinions…but when things like that keep getting dredged up, that is when I feel that discussion borderlines on something else, not so healthy.
The fact is, Faytene, that you were proposing something that was illegal. Rather than apologizing, you attacked. That is clearly not a Christian attitude.
You accused Benediction of slander and misinformation. I am a regular reader and do not believe so. I had concerns about the Peter Youngren rumors, so I did some detailed checking. Both the local pastor bringing him in and his executive pastor confirmed the rumors. The Maines ponzi scheme material is all backed up by links to securities regulators. Todd Bentley did actually do all those things – ewwww!!!! My research indicates he is living as an unregistered sex offender in his state.
If you think these are good people, you need to read 1 Corinthians 15:33. Perhaps that is why you proposed breaking the law in the first place.
If you friend really wants to set up a charity, I’m sure one of us accountants or lawyers would be willing to assist her for free.
Would Jesus have made veiled threats about going to the law over copyright infringements? No, I think He would have rather taken any problems to His Father – and forgiven. He didn’t rely on the law, He relied on His God. Wasn’t it the Pharisees and false religious leaders of His day who relied on the law? And used it to threaten and persecute Jesus and his followers? Lord, save us from ministries that grow so ‘successful’ and complicated they have to involve boards, and lawyers and government.
There is nothing in anything Jesus’ spoke or did that tells us to brag and boast about our rejoicing in persecution. Lord, send us shepherds who know what it is to follow you.
Sounds like she has something to hide!
When I see ministries that have board members and lawyers and government involvement – I have to ask myself, is that the ‘faith of our fathers’? The simple living faith handed down to us by the prophets and apostles which Jesus lived? No, indeed – that looks very much to me like an institution.
Terese, it is an institution but in Faytene’s case, the only thing missing is the padded walls.
Not a Faytene fan but I from personal experience I would say her facebook question is not uncommon or unusual.
Since starting a new church a few years ago I’ve been offered someone else’s charitable status twice (had to explain both times to those offering that it was illegal and they were, in both cases, hurt that I rejected their ‘kindness’). I’ve also been asked 3 times by 3 separate individuals/groups if they could use our charitable number ’til their’s came through. (Again, illegal and in all 3 cases they were surprised it was – 1 actually disputed it with me and thought I was just being unhelpful.)
I’ve also been offered sizable gifts, both cash and “in kind” for me personally in exchange for a tax receipt from our church. Again, turned down in all cases, explained Rev Can’s take on it, was argued with in one case because they’d “done it for our last pastor…” so it must not be illegal!
Part of the problem is people do it. Specifically churches and ministries. So it’s not a shock that people think it’s o.k. And many people in charitable organizations have never actually bothered to read the law(s) regarding donations and our charitable number. Add to that the fact that Rev Canada is constantly changing and revising or re-interpreting the laws.
I would suggest Faytene checks out the current law before writing any more receipts or soliciting any more donations. I’d also suggest she consider reading up on Canadian law re: copyrighted material so she sounds a little less american if she ever posts again.
Brianmpei, I realize your experience is not unique, so to put things into perspective, based solely on your experience, could you let the readers know the approximate values of these “gifts” you were offered or the dollar amounts people were seeking receipts for?
This will help to give everyone an idea of all the tax dollars that are not going to our government that should be and just how big the business of being a “charity” really can be.
Ministry is just as big a rip off as any other ‘commercial’ business then.
HOW VERY DISAPPOINTING
Where do we go now for redemption, revival, puirty and ‘high moral ground’.
Integrity wherefore art thou
No such thing honey ‘just raking in the dollars and dimes’ power and prestige!
HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then I will just have to make my own way there
FATHER A PILGRIM CALLS YOUR NAME AND ASKS FOR DIRECTION
“Regardless, nothing came of the Face Book status question…so it is all irrelevant at this point. No charity is being transferred to anyone and my friend has now told me her church is going to expand their objectives to include her great work.”
Perhaps Faytene would be so kind as to share the name of her friend and her church, so that anyone so disposed might be able to send a good will offering to support this “great work”.
To E
Regarding what you perceive as Faytene’s forgiveness
If you look through it closely you’ll discover it to be more of an oxymorin
She wants to forgive but she willfully ‘does not remember’
This is a reminder of the dirty pool dynnamics of these people when
observed too closely because they don’t want to be found out to be
New Apostolic Revolution
They want to hide behind the veil of being non-denominational
Evangelical Charismatic Christians but they are not !
The Evangelical Christian Doctrine be it Charismatic or
Non-Charismatic does not endorse ‘New Apostles/Prophets but
they only endorse what is in the Word of God
These NAR people are Heretics and Charlatans and it is hypocritical
to come across as non-denominational Evangelical/Charismatic
Christians when they are not!
Too many people are fooled by the NAR and that is wrong !
But if found out they get ugly !
Re: “Tim’s” comment…that is what Shonnah Andres Bentley et al have done with Todd Bentley’s old ministry. Although it carries the financial history of the old Fresh Fire Ministries, it has been renamed Transform International and carries on doing similar, but not exactly the same, things.
Hopesome:
There are so many churches and charities plugging away who obey the law, know the law and understand the privilege of their registration number. It has to be frustrating for them when they see others attempt to take advantage.
It’s in societies best interest to point out the bad apples and bad behavior or we’ll lose what we have.
Ignorance is no excuse, Rev Can has people trained to work with any charity who gets tangled up. The charity branch would be willing to deal with Ms. Kryskow, her board, her friend and that church.
As well there are groups like Imagine Canada and the Canadian Council of Christian Charities who encourage learning and excellence and provide resources so everyone doesn’t get a black eye from practices Brianmpei laid out or Faytene has decided I am misinterpreting.
Churches with denominational headquarters also help their membership navigate the process.
Rev Can has come out with new rules this year. Any charity issuing a tax receipt must now put the registration number on the receipt to protect both donors and charities.
Brianmei, the value of these gifts would be helpful if you’d like to tell us. I’m curious to know if these are independent churches. Good on you for valuing ethics and saying something.
Don’t hold your breath Howie51.;^)
I would like to reply to a couple of things Faytene Kryskow writes in her lengthy comment above, if I may.
She writes:
“I don’t actually frequent your site because of how many good people you continuously slander on it…”
If I, as a former working journalist, may point this out, the working definition that most people in use is that slander is always verbal and spoken. Anything defamatory in a written way would be “libel”.
As Bene D doesn’t post orginal video or sound files directly from him addressing her, she would properly complain about possible libels.
It’s a small point, yes, but I would use it to respectfully suggest that if she misidentifies the very points of reference that we would need to talk about, she would be less able to say what, in the various blog posts, would be libelous and what would be “fair comment” based on verified factual information.
No expert, she, I would argue.
Bene D, I would suggest, tries to be always careful to get his facts right. I try as well. Corrections are made as needed.
She also writes:
“…Seeing as you allowed my personal information (home address) on this blog before in a very inappropriate manner I will not be giving you her personal information. I am sure you can understand why given the track record of your blog of 1) misinformation and 2) inappropriate information (posting the home addresses of single women) that I would not want to give you her name….”
She will perhaps forgive Bene D for not being right on top of the “home address” thing. Especially since, if my memory is correct (as I don’t have the book at hand as I write) this same address was reprinted in one of her books. If she made the address public herself, is it fair of her to think it wrong if it is continued? (I won’t do so now, as she has now publicly objected to this…but I suggest it is not fighting fairly if she still sells the book with that, now incorrect, address in it, and then complains if people happen to notice that address.)
For what it is worth, I also think it passing strange that Faytene made this request on a “private” Facebook page. Did she also do so on her website or something she intended “the public” to see? I don’t know. But, especially if this wasn’t the case, it would be appropriate for Bene D to publicly wonder why all this is happening “behind closed doors” as it has, in the public interest.
Perhaps the Canadian Customs and Revenue Agency, which regulates Canada’s charities might wonder about this as well. Not that anything is wrong, of course. Faytene and her brains trust, I am sure, are very careful. But the Facebook appeal has a kind of slap-dash loosey-goosey appearance to it, of the sort that the CCRA may not like to see…
O.K., what I was trying to say is that most people operate under a false impression about what Rev Can does and does not allow. This has been perpetuated by people who did something at one time that might have even been legal at that time but no longer is. Naturally thinking if it was o.k. it must still be o.k. they do something they shouldn’t. Rev Can only requires you to fill out a form and turn over certain documents for your charitable status, they don’t require you to prove you know the rules. They generally let you know when you break them.
As you’ve pointed out, there are some great organizations that help us navigate the ever changing rules from Rev Can.
As for me myself…some people clearly see clergy and church as one and the same. They don’t understand that offering me a new roof or $500 to help me take a vacation doesn’t score them a charitable tax receipt from the church by Rev Can standards today. It’s clear from their stories that some clergy have, in the past, made this exchange with them.
We’re talking hundreds of dollars or, in the case of a new roof for my house – not owned by the church – a few thousand. For me, this represents a lot of money. My ministry is NOT on God T.V.
The Cry Lumbermens’ Arch had a pre-Cry joint venue with Worship Invasion at Abbotsford Christian Assembly
http://www.thecry.ca/
http://acachurch.com/index.php/about_us/
http://www.worshipinvasion>com/?page_id=8
Hey John, for what it’s worth:
http://vimeo.com/videos/search:faytene
I can’t comment on them as I haven’t had the desire to watch any.
I’m not trying to defend Faytene and her ‘proposed transaction’, but there are a few things we should remember to put this in perspective:
1) – When it comes to charities, the worst offenders are the pay low receipt high tax shelters. The idea is you buy medicine for 100, give it to a charity and get a receipt for the their version of fair market value of $500. The scoundrels who promote it know it will be tied up for years in the courts, but they don’t tell you that.
To the best of my knowledge, none of the ministries discussed in this blog were involved. There was one former Victory pastor promoting them, but the charities were whomever was suckered into it.
2) There seems to be a number of cases in recent years of taxpayers claiming fake donations by making up false donation receipts. If First Church of Springfield prints out their receipts on computer, what is to stop a person from making their own with a larger value?
3) Canada is full of people bending the tax rules to their advantage in a worse way than what is discussed in the blog.
There are a lot worse offenders than Faytene. We as Christians, however, should have higher standards. Then again, we need to remember who we are dealing with.
We reap what we sow. This lady generated some interesting and thoughtful comments on this thread.
As someone who hasn’t a clue about charitable status and legitimate ‘churches’ the expert commenters make it clear – this lady has issues. In her mind she will always be ‘right’, always be ‘persecuted’ and be convinced that if someone isn’t for her they are against her – no middle ground.
It’s not always churches looking for a handout. It just seems harder to accept because it violates and cuts to the very core of our faith. Perilous times as Jesus said.
“It’s not always churches looking for a handout. It just seems harder to accept because it violates and cuts to the very core of our faith.”
Yes I agree, it does cut to the core of our faith. You know the old saying, if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck –so then if it lives as the world lives, does as the world does, speaks as the world speaks, then it must be….OF the world.
“Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves.†( 2 Cor. 13:5 ) I found out in my own life that wasn’t written without good reason. What then if we “fail the testâ€? Repent. Kiss and make up with our Maker. Rend our hearts and not just our garments.
Faytene
I’m not so sure you want to go complaining to facebook about this. Your status update invites someone to break the law and that is against the facebook Terms of Service.
http://www.facebook.com/terms.php
3.10 You will not use Facebook to do anything unlawful, misleading, malicious, or discriminatory.
Tim
Re Replies #12 & #30
In #12 You were transparent showing the true colours of your feeling of how you felt hurt was good. I’ve felt the same way too.
But, I thought I sensed something kind of funny of these groups from the beginning turning out to be New Apostolic Revolution is scary.
I follow the Lection Guide in the Book of Common Prayer from the Anglican Church of Canada where in both Morning & Evening Offices are readings of a Psalm, Old & New Testaments where one, after a year, would’ve read the Old Testament one, New Testament twice and the Book of Psalms six times.
http://www.prayerbook.ca/
History can repeat itself, so, things maybe like or similar to things happening now might’ve happened before?
Some of the scriptures in the Psalms mention about the Name of God written on the heart.
Salvation qualities are from and through the Fruits of the Spirit of Faith, Hope & Love and what Love is composed of !
Then, also, there are the Gifts of the Spirit
We can agree that Fruits and Gifts are mentioned in the Bible but we are saved through Faith in Hope for Love
There are readings about Gnosticism too
There can be traces of these movements even today
In #30 I skimmed through the Videos were ok.
There was talk about current events in the media
Faytene can put on a good show and or a good act
If she showed her true colours and was transparent about her New Apostolic Revolution leaning could possibly jeapordize her Venue at the Foursquare Church on the Video and at the Venue was the Offering Pots to her ministry.
From a money and power point of view could lead one to be quite defensive about hiding something like NAR if the consequences could result in loss of positive cash flow and along with that power.
Corr29 webaddr3
http://www.worshipinvasion.ca/?page_id=8
Re Replies 29,36
Trying all websights on 1 reply didn’t work, so I’ll do it this way where readers can go to replies 29,36 to click websights for The Cry,ACA,29 & WI,36
Some History:
Worship Invasion started at Glad Tidings Church on Fraser & E 18th in Vancouver by Ed Rubuliak, who was a young adults leader there and taught Computer Science at BCIT
http://www.gtchurch.ca/
Abbotsford Christian Assembly has a Pastor Roy Rubuliak also from Glad Tidings has some resemblences to Ed anbd both have the same last names.
Also at ACA is Apostle ElderPastor David & Vi McElhoes
When I read the word Apostle I thought of the New Apostolic Revolution
Then Faytene Kryskow was with Extreme Prophetic Vancouver under Patricia King
http://www.extremeprophetic.com/
New Apostolic Revolution verses transparency/showing true colours?
Re 29,36
The Cry/Worship Invasion joint Venue at Abbotsford Christian Assembly was a Pre-Cry Lumbermens Arch Venue.
Abbotsford Christian Assembly has an Apostle Elder Pastor David & Vi McElhoes. Reading Apostle reminds me of New Apostolic Revolution
Pastor Roy & Betty Rubuliak is from Glad Tidings Church on Fraser & E18th, Vancouver like Ed Rubuliak is where he started Worship Invasion. Both have features that could resemble one another as well as the same last name.
I see some possible tell tale signs of New Apostolic Revolution in these groups seem to have ties with one another.
What I don’t see is any transparency that is admitting to revealing true colours as to any ties with NAR
Cricket:
Access and agenda are issues.
Faytene Kryskow has a long history with some of the most heretical, power hungry third wave, NAR leaders known today. She is an open dominionist.
Making common cause with moderate conservatives in Ottawa on social issues is important for her and her backers; so what if neo-conservatives such as Bruinrooge, Day and Smith open doors for her, it’s their job.
Moderate people of faith working in Ottawa letting their guard down is where concern needs to be raised – they may be so busy with getting their agenda on the table they don’t realize what they are climbing into bed with politically or theologically. The end goals of Kryskow and her backers are not the same as those they attempt to charm.
John, go look at vids from Convergence 2010 online. It was held this week.
This should start you out.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/janet-porter-defends-her-insanity
Classic techniques.
Hyperbole, spiritual bullying, authoritarianism, nationalism/patriotism,polarization, shoot the messenger, backpeddling, etc.
Nice thing is these groups attempting to get together isn’t a good marriage, so I suspect some of these alliances will self-destruct sooner than later.
This kind of cycle is peaking again.
7 mountain mandate stuff, the prophetic being merged with the political.
In this case (one of the mountains being media) it was such an overplay of the neo-charismatics agenda that the backlash has been considerable.
Bene
I read and listened to Alan Colmes and Jane Porter how he
debated with her well when she was trying to manipulate
the conversation when asked some questions. She became
defensive of her to resist showing her true colours of being
transparent and accountable.
Then watched a Video of her and CBC wanting it to be Christian
Then a Video of Harry Jackson Psalm 2:8
New Apostles/Prophets Gay/Lesbian Radicals having
Pauline experiences then praying for depression to just go away
The New Apostles/Prophets sounds like NAR
Pass some people off to society as New Apostles/Prophets could
be in quite a different position than that of the rest of society
-Right Reverend Michael Hutchinson, the former Primate of the
Anglican Church of Canada said on a Video on the ACA websight at
the time Bishop Michael Ingham in 2002 said, ‘Yes’ to blessing
same-sex unions,
“There is a stir when things about gays,lesbians are brought up.
This is no longer considered as a mental illness it is to do with
deep down inside feelings and the reaction can be a result of a
fear of deep down inside human feelings”
-So, I took the book, ‘Confessions of St Augustine’ with me, when I
went for long walks in the summer and read the whole thing. St
Augustine wrote about his feelings in this book.
-I might add, it is no longer a criminal offense in Canada anymore
-In 2002, Canada legalized Gay Marriages.
I suffer from depression and I’ve learned to live with it and it lives with me comes and goes but does not go away
Depression is a medical issue
Lou Engle Video wanting to annoint the whole congregation
This gives me a sensational feeling that it can happen in those place so people have to go there.
They are NAR John, some are official ICA/Wagner apostles, some are associates.
Their openess in partnering with Focus on the Family’s Family Research Council and Republicans is new, it’s been a bit less open in the past. They’ve been active in some of the 3rd tier political special interest groups for awhile.
It will take time for people get fed up, the economic wing of the Republican Party is; it’s evangelical voters that need to say enough and walk away.
Bene
About how Christians -are, and are not- aware of New Apostolic Revolution when they’re right in their backyard is interesting to observe.
When the NAR go around on their Venue Events at Churches they come across as Non-Denominational, Evangelical Charismatic Christians, if nobody looks at them too closely, that is.
This is just what they want is they’re own way but ‘woe-betide’ somebody with a little more insight than most people, (like me),who notices them will foil their desire to get their own way.
Then, when they feel this is happening to them, out come all their games, is good to beware of.
Usually, they are slander and lies put under the veil of Prophetic Visions, etc.
This is just plain old ‘dirty pool’, ‘kick em when they’re down’ and I can no longer respect these people like when I first saw them.
When individual Christians, groups, congregations, investigate these groups is good to be cautious.
Be cautious by being more in-conspicuous and discreet.
Maybe stay at the back of the room or something like that so the observer has a good view of what is going on without being noticed.
These observers can be a threat to the money and power the New Apostolic Revolution has become accustomed to with their Venue Events.
Fortunately, there are enough tell tale signs there for a certain amount of persons to see, is just what New Apostolic Revolution doesn’t want.
When the Pre-Cry, Lumbermens’ Arch Venue Event at Abbotsford Christian Assembly with both ‘The Cry’ & ‘Worship Invasion’ with the help of the internet showed just what NAR did not want people to see and know.
Abbotsford Christian Assembly:
-Elder/(Apostle) Pastor David & Vi McElhoes
-Just a minute here, Elder/(Apostle), the latter wording sounds like New Apostolic Revolution, NAR?
-Pastor Roy, Betty Rubuliak, Roy is from Glad Tidings Church.
-Glad Tidings Church, formerly(Glad Tidings Temple)
is on Fraser,E18th,Van,BC
-So is Ed Rubuliak who is the Moderator of Worship Invasion. Roy & Ed could pass as brothers?
http://acachurch.com/index.php/about_us/
Worship Invasion:
-Ed Rubuliak, Moderator of Worship Invasion, and his wife, Wendy.
-Worship Invasion started at Glad Tidings Church
-Both Roy Rubuliak & Ed Rubuliak came from Glad Tidings Church
could pass as brothers.
http://www.worshipinvasion.ca/?page_id=8
The Cry:
-So, at the Abbotsford Christian Assembly Venue Event was both The Cry & Worship Invasion together.
-With an Elder/Apostle Pastor David McElhoes at ACA
-With Faytene Kryskow and how she seems to rub shoulders with other NARs
-With one Rubuliak at ACA and another Rubuliak at WI is interesting
http://www.thecry.ca/
Bene
The pre-Cry Venue at Abbotsford Christian Assembly with Worship Invasion
http://acachurch.com/index.php/about_us/
-Elder (Apostle) David, Vi McElhoes sound like NAR to me
-Pastor Roy, Betty Rubuliak looks like the brother of Ed Rubuliak Moderator of Worship Invasion and they’re both from Glad Tidings Church.
Worship Invasion
http://www.worshipinvasion.ca/?page_id=8
The Cry
http://www.thecry.ca/
Bene
Where these groups come and originated from, some of their roots?
Some of Worship Invasion & Abbotsford Christian Assembly came from Glad Tidings Church
http://www.gtchurch.ca/
This Church is located on Fraser & E18th Ave in the East Side of Vancouver, British Columbia
It was originally called Glad Tidings Temple
It is non-denominational but leans towards the Pentecostal Assemblies of Canada
Years ago Maureen Gagliardi was the Pastor whose husband was a politician.
This Church was the brainchild of Worship Invasion whose founder and Moderator Ed Rubuliak runs
Roy Rubuliak at Abbotsford Christian Assembly was also from Glad Tidings Church
Now we have Faytene Kryskow and ‘The Cry’
She was with Extreme Prophetic Vancouver
http://www.extremeprophetic.com/
The whole organization is under Patricia King in whose biography on her websight came out of the Anglican Church
The styles of Worship at all of these places is similar
The styles are spontaneous Charismatic where the use of Spiritual Gifts is quite free.
There is little to no use of Liturgy and or Sacraments would classify this style of worship as Low-Church, High-Church being more emphasis on Liturgy and Sacraments like the Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican and Dutch Reformed.
Within any of these groups, I fail to come across any individual who has a Doctor’s Degree of Divinity or Systematic Theology.
I don’t think this is a matter of the saying, ‘What God do you Worship?’ but is a matter of ‘the way the whole organizations are structured?
That would cover how Worship is conducted but also how Prayer is conducted?
Is these Confession and Repentance from Sin?
What is defined as Sin?
How the Governments are constructed and functions within these organizations?
Roles and rules of conduct?
Faytene’s obviously in the wrong country. She should come here to America and take lessons from the Scientologists.
Hi John:
Someone saw your comment and passed on some information.
(I’m not Pentecostal/Charismatic so I am learning along with you)
Glad Tidings was an offshoot of the Battleford Latter Rain movement, a Canadian grown heresy.
You mention Maureen Gagiardi.
She was a pastor at that church and left under unclear circumstances.
She wasn’t married, she was the neice of Phil Gaglardi.
He was a Pentecostal minister and minister in the B. C. cabinet of W. A. C. Bennett, in the 50s and 60s.
She had a ministry called Immanual Restoration Ministries which had an address in Arizona in the 1990′s.
The address is still active in the Arizona white pages, the ministry has been folded into this one – owned a “Dr. Ray Gaglardi.
The webpage was put in in 2008 but doesn’t appear to have been updated.
http://icca-irm.com/
I don’t know ‘Dr.’ Ray’s relationship to Maureen.
She surfaced in a Victory Church event in 2000 calling herself Dr.
She wrote several books (now out of print) published by a standalone Iowa publisher.
Victory is a hotbed of this stuff, it’s not hard to trace their movements in Canada back the Battleford heresy to Red Deer Alberta; including their so called biblical counselling movement, or life coach etc. It’s embraces sheperding movement and traces back to the ICA – Wagner’s people.
There does appear to be an established group in BC, but I’ve not traced them.
If you want a theological perspective of deviant streams of pentecostalism packed with some good history, I recommend Tricia Tillen’s work from the 1990′s.
http://www.intotruth.org/contents.html
Rubuliak isn’t on the ICA (International Coalition of Apostles) list, however Alistair P. Petrie is. He is a friend and endorser of Faytene Kryskow, and I would think anyone hanging out with Petrie agrees with NAR.
Bene
Even though Rubuliak isn’t on the ICA (International Coalition of Apostles), I assume you’re talking about Roy Rubuliak, he and others at ACA (Abbotsford Christian Assembly) having an Elder Apostle there shows not only signs of approval but alliances as well.
Maybe not all of the Staff at ACA would be on the ICA list.
Then there was the joint ACA Venue with ‘The Cry’ & ‘Worship Invasion are closely knit and cover for each other.
Coincidentally the Ed Rubuliak, Moderator of Worship Invasion is a Rubuliak too. Both the Rubuliaks came from Glad Tidings Church.
Roy & Ed Rubuliak seem to approve and ally with NAR.
I would assume, persons would have to be approved by the coalition as Apostles to be on the list.
Then there is the Canadian Prophetic Council run by Stacy Campbell.
Both of these groups might have persons who would approve and ally but not be on the list because they might not be approved as Prophets by the council.
On documentaries I’ve seen about the Masonic Order emphasizes a veil of secrecy reminds me of what seems to be going on with NAR.
The ‘power’ these people seek can both corrupt and be corruptable depending in whose ‘hands it sits’. Its bought and sold to the highest bidder and leaves a trail of ‘deals and counter deals behind it’. Eventually theres always someone who reneges and the ‘pack of cards they built with begins to topple; someone else ‘moves in to take up the vacant ‘position’ and the cycle begins all over again.
Its not lasting and thats why ‘overall’ little gets changed to any great degree.
Is a christian government the answer then! some seem to think so, Do their ‘high moral standards lead them to believe they would be ‘good at it’, is it their ‘devotion to Jesus’ that makes them think they are worthy, is it their ‘purity’ that’ll get them there’ and if they do ‘get there’ then what kind of ‘freedom of choice’ will we all end up without!.
I think the Father is quite capable of taking the government without the likes of the NAR, he just likes to watch the ‘games they play’ at being HIM. MOCKERY CAN GO BOTH WAYS PEOPLE.
Hopesome
As much as the NAR becomes quite defensive in striving to hide their beliefs has worked for them to a point.
Faytene Kryskow/Extreme Prophetic, Vancouver & Ed Rubuliak/Worship Invasion are quite close passing information back and forth to cover themselves.
If you go to Reply # 44 and click Worship Invasion you’ll find they have Venue Events practically every month.
The next one is at Peace Portal Alliance Church around the Surrey, White Rock border.
The 351 Crescent Beach will take you there
They are very contemporary catering to the 18-35 year range
Ed Rubuliak was a youth leader at Glad Tidings,
See (Reply#47,Bene D) an offshoot of the Battleford, Latter Rain movement, Red Deer, Alberta, a Canadian grown heresy.
Think of it Hopesome, every month of offerings of young people who don’t have to pay rent because they live with their parents.
Ed & Wendy Rubuliak get a tax break from the offerings because it is from Worship Invasion is a religious organization.
They have Venue events at a different church each month not owning a building paying for maintainance costs, salaries, etc.
Just come across as non-denominational, Evangelical, Charismatic and not New Apostolic Revolution, is their ticket into all of these churches to have their Worship Invasion venue events.
I sense something a little bit different from most Christian gatherings at Worship Invasion, The Cry and Fresh Fire, Todd Bentley