Family Research Council co-founder scrubbed off website – George Reker

Family Research co-founder and NARTH board member Dr. George Reker might want to stop digging the hole he is in.

The anti-gay activist, former professor, Baptist minister and court expert for anti-gay groups has been dumped by the religious right in the US as quick as you can say caught.

On April 13, the “rent boy” (whom we’ll call Lucien) arrived at Miami International Airport on Iberian Airlines Flight 6123, after a ten-day, fully subsidized trip to Europe. He was soon followed out of customs by an old man with an atavistic mustache and a desperate blond comb-over, pushing an overburdened baggage cart.

That man was George Alan Rekers, of North Miami  the callboy’s client and, as it happens, one of America’s most prominent anti-gay activists. Rekers, a Baptist minister who is a leading scholar for the Christian right, left the terminal with his gay escort, looking a bit discomfited when a picture of the two was snapped with a hot-pink digital camera.

Within 12 hours of this information going public The Family Research Council had it’s founder scrubbed off it’s website like he never existed.  Pathetic. From the Family Research Council FAQ page:

Q: Who founded Family Research Council?

A – Dr. James Dobson, Gerald P. Regier, and a few other like-minded pioneers first saw the need for an organization like Family Research Council during the 1980 White House Conference on Families. Following the Conference, Dr. Dobson, Jerry Regier, and five other Christian leaders met to discuss ways to make it easier for public policymakers to receive input from scholarly experts who have an appreciation for strong families and a respect for the time-honored truths that undergird family well-being.

Their idea became a reality in 1983, and Jerry Regier became FRC’s first president. The founding board included Dr. Dobson and two noted psychiatrists, Armand Nicholi Jr. of Harvard University and George Rekers of the University of South Carolina medical school.

A US religious right anti-gay crusader gets caught with a 20 year old he hired. It’s getting to the point that is not news any more. It shouldn’t be, it wouldn’t be if these guys didn’t make their living lying. The young male escort (who has been indentified) is showing more class than Rekers.  Rekers said he didn’t know the young man he hired off was a callboy. Rekers says he isn’t gay.

Then he says he hires males to help them. No, you can’t make this up. From Joe. My.God:

I have spent much time as a mental health professional and as a Christian minister helping and lovingly caring for people identifying themselves as gay. My hero is Jesus Christ who loves even the culturally despised people, including sexual sinners and prostitutes. Like Jesus Christ, I deliberately spend time with sinners with the loving goal to try to help them. Mark 2:16-17 reads: 16When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the “sinners” and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and ‘sinners’?” 17On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” In fact, in a dialogue with hypocritical religious leaders, Jesus even stated to them, “I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. ” (Matthew 21:31).

Like John the Baptist and Jesus, I have a loving Christian ministry to homosexuals and prostitutes in which I share the Good News of Jesus Christ with them (see I Corinthians 6:8-11). Contrary to false gossip, innuendo, and slander about me, I do not in any way hate homosexuals, but I seek to lovingly share two types of messages to them, as I did with the young man called Lucien in the news story: [1] It is possible to cease homosexual practices to avoid the unacceptable health risks associated with that behavior, and [2] the most important decision one can make is to establish a relationship with God for all eternity by trusting in Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross for the forgiveness of your sins, including homosexual sins. If you talk with my travel assistant that the story called “Lucien,” you will find I spent a great deal of time sharing scientific information on the desirability of abandoning homosexual intercourse, and I shared the Gospel of Jesus Christ with him in great detail.

Stop.
Just stop. You are the one with problems coming to terms with your identify and dealing with truth. You are the one hiring 20 year olds of closed websites, you are the one peddling psueo-scientific dreck through NARTH,  Focus on the Family’s FRC, American College of Pediatricians (anti-gay front group) and making a lot of money off fear, politics and religion in the US ex-gay industry.  You are the one wrestling with honesty, so just stop already. You join a long dreary line of anti-gay activists who have made their living hurting others while trying to stay in a self-imposed closet.
You are the one with baggage.

Rekers is the second NARTH board member to be found to be less than truthful  in the last couple of months. Truth Wins Out:

This is the second NARTH board member to be exposed as a fraud in the past three months. In February, Arthur Abba Goldberg was unmasked as a con artist who had served prison time for bond fraud. Goldberg was also the co-fonder of Jews Offering New Alternatives to Homosexuality (JONAH). Goldberg resigned from NARTH’s board in shame.

Rekers background is here.

Update: I stand corrected. The FRC has not scrubbed Rekers, the website was updated in 2007 from this to this and the FAQ is the same as the cache the day before the Rekers/Rentboy story broke. He is still listed as a FRC co-founder and there are 3  FRC citations for him. NARTH still has his pic up, and has 110 citations for George Rekers, Focus on the Family and Exodus International about 10. Tony Perkins of the FRC said : “I had never heard of Dr. Rekers, so I asked our corporate attorney to review past documents.”  Uh huh.

Update: The University of South Carolina has removed George Rekers from it’s webpages.
His escort has gone public with information about activity on the trip, and Rekers told The Miami Herald he is hiring an attorney. Exodus International (Focus on the Family) says the gay community is ‘showing lack of regard’ and the ‘gay community’ ‘seem completely incapable of showing Jo-Vanni Roman any compassion or care.’ Uh huh. Exodus has asked Rekers 20 year old companion to call them because ‘we care’.

And while we are on the subject of anti-gay religious right crusaders – The Call’s Lou Engle trip to Uganda to promote the anti-homosexuality bill (which has been condemned world wide) went just the way he planned it. Perhaps not the turn out expected, but certainly the message. Engle, a New Apostolic Reformation’ apostle/prophet’, was the main speaker at Canada’s TheCry in Vancouver in 2009.

Update: Rekers resigns from NARTH, and wait for it, is undergoing counselling while he works out how to file a defamation suit.

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33 Responses to Family Research Council co-founder scrubbed off website – George Reker

  1. Hopesome says:

    If you were the enemy, who is mockery, (who mocked Jesus with his wealth remember and high ‘honour’ (of himself!)) where in the most high place of mockery would you plant your people ……

    In the ‘pulpit’ in the very name of the one you hold in such ‘high mockery’ (Jesus).

    Many ‘pulpits’ mock us

    Most of the time jesus was found ‘in the streets’ most of the time thats where we live! ‘our there’

    in one way or another

    At one time the church was where you sent your ‘black sheep’ to be ‘corrected’

    If we ‘are the church therefore its building then I don’t know about you but my church and building gets a makeover daily just to stop me from getting bored, stale, and miserable!

  2. Sherm says:

    Pathetic.

    Not because he is gay – for many there is a genetic predisposition, just like I have a genetic predisposition to hate country music or be fat.

    It’s sad that this confused man spent his life bashing the very people he was one of, all in God’s name. The agony he must feel because he doesn’t ‘measure up’ to God’s high standards for individuals who have gay genes.

    God made him, every cell, axon, muscle. He is who he is. He just doesn’t belong in public ministry (or public misery). Shame on Focus on the Family.

    Mind you, it is not half as bad as PM Harper’s stand on abortion. If he had his way 1 in 8 women would die in poorer countries where rape abounds. Female genicide. Doesn’t Focus on the Family condemn abortion? Of course they do.

    Death, condemnation, hate – is that the God they present? Seems that way.

    Very clear and very present danger from organizations and governments who attempt to control morality, who judge differences as sin and who care little for those who are helpless victims of men’s hate and sexual control.

    Who will stop them?

  3. Therese says:

    Such a big topic and I hardly feel qualified to comment, other than that I think the potential for homosexuality resides in all fallen flesh, just the same as any other human predilection that was not the ‘image’ God had in mind when He created man, such as a short temper, vanity, heterosexual lust or even murder. Life in a fallen world has a way of conspiring so that different things manifest more strongly in different people depending on a multitude of factors. Wouldn’t be surprised if all or some of these things can become expressed in our genes over time, sin grows up and matures in the human race just like weeds do when they begin to take over the garden if they are not dealt with. What we think of as the spiritual realm has very real affects on the natural realm.

    But for all these things there is an answer for those that want one. Deal with the flesh, ie, our fallen nature. Jesus showed us how and led the way and extends an invitation that we should follow. Yes, He loves all He has created irregardless and He is no respecter of persons, however, He cannot change His nature which is love – but let’s not forget also holy. There are only two choices, we can submit to His fire willingly now in this life, or be subject to it later against our will. We can make a free-will offering of our life now with great reward, or He will make us a mandatory offering later which will be to our loss and more difficult because it will be without our willingness and comes with no reward. Either way, I believe the scriptures show that all creation will be purified and all things reconciled to Jesus Christ. That’s the reason the Father sacrificed His Son – to reconcile you and me to Him, that’s how much He loves us. In ancient Israel, when a first-born son died, his father would tear his garment from top to bottom in grief, a first-born son represented the hope of the family – When the Son of God died the veil in the temple was rent in two from top to bottom. Lord, help us to understand, and forgive us for making light of your sacrifice!

  4. Hopesome says:

    The spirit of:

    When we see some of the ways the ‘spirit’ manifests itself I think we should be asking ourselves – WHAT IS SPIRIT (exactly and literaly) – AND OF WHOM,

    FOR MANY CALL ME LORD yet I know not their name ‘

    Its the discerning of the spirit/s that is of paramount import and with it the authority to ‘take it’ in its vilest forms.

    We know there are many ‘what we call spirits’ out there that manifest in murder and the like, but how are they ‘able to do so and who calls the shots’ Does it mean that the battles of David were telling us that spirit ‘wars with the flesh’ and therefore ‘creat’s murder as a result.

    If you think about ‘mediums’ and how they manifest spirits!!!!!!!!!

  5. Bene D says:

    Reker testified in Florida against gay people adopting and got paid lot of money to do so.

    Four years ago he adopted a 16 year old boy.

    In a recent poll, people who identify with the tea party were rated on 22 things that mattered most to them politically.

    The first was the economy, the 22nd, homosexuality.

  6. Bene D says:

    I think most peoples thoughts jump to sexual acts in a story like this.
    That certainly doesn’t have to be the reality, I couldn’t care less where people’s thoughts jump to this goes beyond base behavior
    We know when men hire a call girl often there is no sexual contact, the time is spent talking. The site he went to requires you to consent, saying friends gave him recommendations is a dodge. The site is an adult one which offers has filters for parents up front.
    He is sticking by his story:

    “MISLEADING INTERNET REPORTS ABOUT PROFESSOR GEORGE REKERS A recent article in an alternative newspaper cleverly gave false impressions of inappropriate behavior because of its misleading innuendo, incorrectly implying that Professor George Rekers used the Rentboy website to hire a prostitute to accompany him on a recent trip. Contrary to Internet stories based on this slanderous article, following medical advice Professor George Rekers requires an assistant to lift his luggage in his travels because of an ongoing condition following surgery. His family, local friends, and even another university professor colleague have offered to accompany him on trips to assist him in his travel. Dr. Rekers found his recent travel assistant by interviewing acquaintances. There was nothing inappropriate with this relationship. Professor Rekers was not involved in any illegal or sexual behavior with his travel assistant.”

    Of course he’d jump to his behavior not being illegal or overtly sexual, this is about a man who spent his life condemning GLBT, putting out psuedo science to fit his religious/cultural framework and working to deny others basic societal rights. He compares his hired travelling companion and GLBT to drug addicts, terrorists and pedophiles.
    I wouldn’t trust him to know what appropriate is if he tripped over it.

  7. Bene D says:

    NARTH has been non-responsive, condemning others (including international media) for seeing Reker choices as a story.

    “You have as much information as we do. Before this released we didn’t have this much information. All we had was a simple accusation that he was with a “rent boy” so that was all we were able to talk about with him. His answers (as well as his demeanor) showed that the story wasn’t exactly as it seamed [sic]. There are certain accusations that would and wouldn’t surprise certain people about others. This comes as a complete surprise as Dr. Rekers is not only very old and in very poor health, but also very nice and soft spoken, so until we have further information or proof of this incident it remains rumor and speculation.

    The Rekers expose is far from rumor and speculation. Rekers admits going to Europe with the boy, and the boy admits they met over Rentboy.com — a site that is as transparently gay as, well, George Rekers’ moustache.”

    Coy doesn’t cut it. NARTH haven’t dumped him yet, (Rekers work has been discredited long before this incident) but to imply independent, alternate and main media are engaging in speculation when facts have been admitted by both parties shows the ongoing inability to discuss reality.

    Focus on the Family’s Family Research Council statement:

    Reports have been circulating regarding Dr. Rekers relationship with a male prostitute. FRC has had no contact with Dr. Rekers or knowledge of his activities in over a decade so FRC can provide no further insight into these allegations.

    “While we are extremely disappointed when any Christian leader engages in the very activities that they ‘preach’ against, it is not surprising. The Scriptures clearly teach the fallen nature of all people. We each have a choice to act upon that nature or accept the forgiveness offered by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and do our best to ensure our actions, both public and private match our professed positions.”

  8. Bene D says:

    The escort has taken his profile down, and spoke publicly saying Reker didn’t pay him enough for sex. He got his trip paid and $75 dollars a day. Sex would cost a client 2 to 300 more per day. He speaks Spanish and called Reker a’ nice family values’ man.

    He is a university student, his parents didn’t know he was a paid companion, (rentboy/escort/prostitute) they knew he was gay, and he was hiring himself out to get through school.

    He confirmed Reker hired him off the website, and it appears this 20 year old had no clue who his client was.

  9. Therese says:

    I feel so sorry and my heart sinks for that young man who feels he is only worth money like an object one would buy in shop, when he is worth inestimably so much more than that in the eyes of his Maker.

    Why are so many in the church bent on pointing fingers and condemning other’s sins when we should be busy repenting of our own – which are far worse, hypocrisy leading the parade. Me thinketh they protesteth too much.

  10. Marina says:

    Hey everyone. Where do you suppose all the bigotry, hatred and intolerance from Christian groups towards homosexuals stems from and is justified by, in the first place? The basic premise that gays and lesbians are immoral and base, comes from…drum roll…. the HOLY SACRED AWE-INSPIRING WORD OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM! The same god who also happens to be the god of Judaism, Islam and Christianity today!

    The hatred is found in the book that believers consider to be “holy”. It is the “moral guidelines” of this same book that fuels groups like NARTH, Focus on the Family, Family Research Council, Christian Coalition, American Family Association, Moral Majority, Canada Family Action, Canada Christian College, Fred Phelps Westboro Baptist, etc. In the end if your belief system is derived from this word of god, you will have the same bible-based bigotry towards the GLBT, no? And with a foundational mindset like this, don’t tell me you can sincerely care about the plight of the non-heteros no matter how badly they are bashed by religious groups. As a “true believer”, anti-gay beliefs are so deep-seated and inherently part of the package you signed up for, you most likely don’t even realize you are part of their problem!

    Not to pick on you Therese (I realize based on previous discussions, you probably won’t read all this or acknowledge my point anyway), but admit it. According to you and your bible, homosexuality = sin and according to your bible, it is impossible to be simultaneously gay and christian. Despite the mounting evidence of there being a genetic gay predisposition,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

    your bible once again trumps science, doesn’t it, and as a true christian, you’ll believe homosexuality to be a “sin”, a by-product of the fallen fleshly human nature beleaguered by the forces of satan,(oooooh) no matter what evidence surfaces to disprove your sacred text, won’t you? Facts are no match for the deluded mind.

    Your bible and thus your belief system doesn’t allow people to be who they are, Therese. How can it? Homosexuals are forced to choose between being true to themselves or eternal damnation, based on the precepts of the bible god. Isn’t that right? Jennifer Knapp had the guts to come out, knowing the firestorm that would ensue from former “loving” believers. And if she doesn’t recant her lesbianism and get “healed” like Ted Haggard (cough,cough) she WILL be labeled an heretic and sinner and face being kicked out of the family forever for eternity!

    You can’t be in the family if you’re gay no matter what your profession of faith, no matter what stream of Christianity you flow out of, be it the militant fundamentalist or the benign mainline. The bible tells me so. And so do you. Where did you get your beliefs on homosexuality being a sin? Holy Bible, right? ALL streams of Christianity flow from one book, one ancient piece of literature that is forbidden by its author to be altered or changed in any way, even when it’s information has been proved inaccurate by science or when society has become more reasonable, peaceable and tolerant towards the very people the book says are detestable to its author and will be damned in the next life.

    Through fear and intimidation, the bible ultimately forces people (who wish to be a part of the religion of the western world in which they live) to be hypocrites. Allegedly, death and destruction in the afterlife is the plight of the one who openly professes and lives his homosexuality in this life. It should be no surprise then, that in emulating its god, the bible-based church dishes its own sentence out in the here and now. Ted Haggard had to make a choice – his religion or his reality. His religion proved to be too great an investment to give up. This Reker guy must do the same – get real or get lost. He will be no good to the religious “family values” group whose end is to get their own bible-based moral beliefs legislated.

    Sherm, you said – “Death, condemnation, hate – is that the God they present?” What do you expect? God hates unrepentant gays, why shouldn’t they also? (oh, sorry, the “sin” of being gay) They (Focus on the Family, NARTH, et.al) are only following the directives of the bible written by, not only the god they worship and adore, but more importantly, the god who has the power to throw their soul into hellfire for eternity. There’s motivation for ya!

    Every believer must wrestle this one out for themselves: Either god must not believe homosexuals have been born that way, or if he does, he hates them anyway for something they cannot change about themselves since he created them that way.

    For your reference: Lev 18:22, Lev 20:13, Romans 1:26,27, 1Cor 6:9,10, 1Tim 1:9,10,Jude 1:7.

  11. Therese says:

    Hi Marina – No, I don’t believe the bible teaches bigotry or hatred towards sinners of any stripe, on the contrary. You may read it that way, but I and many others don’t. There isn’t a single human being on earth who can help being born in sin – that’s why we ALL fall short of the glory of God and we ALL are equally in need of a Saviour. Sin is not just behaviour per se, sin is the condition of our fallen human nature that we carry around in our mortal flesh which our predispositions spring from, whether of temperament or sexuality or anything else. Problem is most of the church hasn’t got a handle on what the bible actually teaches, what the gospel really means. The focus on behaviour as opposed to turning away (repenting) from self means they have not got hold of grace yet, they are still under law. This man Reker I believe may be full of self-condemnation and in his case it may be why he preached so hard against homosexuality. (just my guess)

    Godly sorrow does lead to repentance and we do mourn over our fallen condition and sinful behaviour or desires whatever it might be, but that’s not the same thing as condemnation. Condemnation makes us run away and hide from the Father, or reject Him outright, but grace allows us to come to Him in our sorrow and helplessness to change ourselves, in order to receive real ministry from the Holy Spirit and a new nature (Jesus’) and learn to live and walk according to the spirit not according to our flesh. When we allow Him the Holy Spirit can gently overrule our flesh, and it’s wonderful and freeing. The habit of condemning comes from our flesh, too, the Spirit does not condemn. That’s why the letter kills but the spirit gives life. Most believers have not got the hang of that, including me in the way I talk sometimes (okay, a lot!) – the tongue being the hardest member to bring into submission to the Holy Spirit.

    Furthermore, I believe that most of what we see as the church who are picking on particular things to condemn is not really the church, they have become apostate, preach false gospels and have not the cross or a revelation of grace. There is a remnant I believe who have largely come out of organized religion in this late hour, or are still in process. (You may remember the bible does say to ‘come out of her my people.’) I think, I hope, you would find most of those remnant believers do not hold to the preaching/teaching of as you say, bigotted behaviour-focused preachers. It’s very sad because it discredits the name of Jesus who died to save the people they are spewing condemnation at all the time, and puts up a roadblock in the way of those who want to come to Him.

  12. Marina says:

    Yes Therese, but YOU believe that it is a SIN to be living as a gay or lesbian!

  13. John Payzant says:

    Hello there Therese & Marina

    I come across situations quite a lot like this in the Anglican Church

    The Canadian Primate RtRev Hutchinson said,

    “The reasons why there is such a stir of emotions when gay and lesbian topics are brought up is this:

    -it is no longer concidered a mental illness

    -it is to do with deep down inside human emotions and feelings

    -when there is a fear of human emotions and feelings is why his arises”

    A RC Priest said, “What you don’t understand you fear what you fear you hate what you hate you destroy”

  14. Howie51 says:

    We may shortly exhaust our supply of Christian leaders with “high moral standards” at the current rate of disposition.

    How strange (As Bene reports) that some of the press reports are giving the object of Reker’s affection credit for having greater integrity. Imagine that! A Gay man with more honestly and fiber than this great “man of God”! What does his say about the church community who allowed and encouraged his venom?

    Do you think, as a Christian that you are bigoted? No? *When was the last time you publicly defended the GLBT community? Do your friends know better than to cast ignorant, bigoted, or unwarranted dispersions against this group in your presence, (such as Reker was known for doing?) My friends know better. None would dare. Why aren’t Christians likewise disposed? What anomaly in fertile minds would allow a man like Reker to broadcast his poisoned seed for so many years? There had to be an audience. Where was the Christian protest?

    Therese said: “Problem is most of the church hasn’t got a handle on what the bible actually teaches, what the gospel really means.”

    Problem is … the Bible DOES teach bigotry and hatred against the GLBT community. Where else do Christians learn it?

    *Marina hit the nail on the head.

    “Through fear and intimidation, the bible ultimately forces people (who wish to be a part of the religion of the western world in which they live) to be hypocrites.”

    Frankly, most Christians, do not appreciate being called hypocrites, nor did most believe they could possibly be one! Delusion and self deception at it’s Godly best.

  15. Thomas says:

    Therese…

    The bible was written by men.
    The bible was translated by men.
    The bible was edited by men.

    Mankind is fallible – you said as much yourself – people don’t always do the right thing.

    You’ve invested your entire belief system in what “the bible says”, but…let me point it out for you again, the bible was written by men.

    Some of them may have been divinely inspired to make their contributions. Others may have had less holy and altruist motives.

    God gave you gifts he did not give any other creature on this planet – the abilities to wonder, question and reason. Surely he gave us these gifts for a reason – so we could figure out how to build shelter, cure diseases…understand each other.

    So why do so many people of faith chose to deny those gifts and live their lives as sheep?

    God didn’t put you on this planet to worship him.

    He isn’t that vain. He doesn’t need you to sing his praises – he’d be happier if you spent that time using the gifts he gave you to be a uniter.

  16. Therese says:

    @ Marina comment #12

    Actually Marina, what I believe is that it’s none of my business.

  17. Therese says:

    @John comment #13

    Hi John – I agree that fear is at the bottom of people’s attitudes a lot of the time, and religion tends to fear loss of control more than anything. Society is changing, and has changed, and I think that frightens and agitates a religious spirit that likes to feel in control of everything. Where the church in general is concerned today, it seems like a symptom of carnality and lack of maturity to be focused on ‘other’ people’s behaviours or lifestyles instead of on more spiritual matters like taking the plank out of our own eye, preaching the gospel to whosoever will, and promoting the spiritual growth and maturation of believers. In other words be in the world, but not of it, knowing our citizenship is elsewhere. We’re supposed to be busy building an ark, spiritually speaking.

  18. John Payzant says:

    Reply # 16 Therese

    You have good insight and you don’t judge

  19. Hopesome says:

    Its easy to hide in and of and ‘around the bible! People sometimes retreat there, chapter and verse, when all else ‘fails’. Why – it provides very good cover!

    as we are finding out; – now aren’t we!

    Personally I need more than either chapter or verse to ‘convince me of either someones virtue – or the needing of its mantel

    The gentleman in question ‘walked as and talked as and lived as…….in the position of…………… what seems to be a misinterpretation of not only himself but the message he ‘preached’!

    Check up on yourself – what message in what form are you ‘preaching’ people!!!!

    Deception tries so hard – glory tempts – but love uncovers the mantels that man places on himself and says: You are deceiving first and foremost yourself

    Allow me to……………………..

  20. Hopesome says:

    When it was revealed that Prince Charles had had an on-going affair for so long – many were quite rigtly outraged. Its not supposed to happen; surely he is supposed to be representing to us dignity, honour, and respect ( his mother is the head of both church and state with him ready to take up that position at some point!) It was said ‘well kings have had the /that privaledge for centuries’…………. SO WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT IT.

    They figured that a few contrite lines in the marriage ceremony of him and camilla would ‘set things straight’. Err…..not that simple on going he/they have done little to proove those words of contrition.

    If you set yourself up to be perfect (or anything for that matter) then you had better make sure you are for one day you may well meet the one who is!

    Diana didn’t come out smelling of roses either…..

    Would you!

    Words, actions, mind, heart, body, should all be aligned, so many aren’t

    So what are we the living embodiment of people – a theory, a practice – or the genuine article

  21. Therese says:

    @ hopesome comment #19

    ~ When it was revealed that Prince Charles had had an on-going affair for so long – many were quite rigtly outraged. Its not supposed to happen; surely he is supposed to be representing to us dignity, honour, and respect ( his mother is the head of both church and state with him ready to take up that position at some point!) It was said ‘well kings have had the /that privaledge for centuries’…………. SO WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT IT. ~

    I guess that’s the question being grappled with here, and probably a lot is being lost in the limitations of two-dimensional communication (or maybe its my two-dimensional thinking) – but what would you say we are supposed to do?…No we don’t accept or like it…what we see is the frailty of human nature exposed and we need to be holding out the solution. But there is something in the way the church is handling such things from the pulpit that blocks people from coming to Jesus if they would – I think it’s condemnation. I had a friend who was in sin and he despised himself and it kept him for a while from even considering the gospel. He needed to see the hand of love and grace being offered, not condemnation, he needed to be able to begin to hope. He received some deliverance in the sovereignty and mercy of the Lord and was able to receive his Messiah and the forgiveness of God only a couple of weeks before he died. But just imagine if he had been preached to the way some are doing. It makes people retreat further into their strongholds from what I can tell.

    (As an aside, the example of the English monarchy seems to prove that fallen human beings are not meant for kingship in the first place. Ditto in the church. It’s as though the Lord is exposing this in both spheres, it seems that political/business corruption is being exposed like never before as well. Proves to me that there is only One who is and who has ever been worthy and able to be King of church and ‘country’ and He will soon take His place.)

  22. Marina says:

    Therese #15 said, “Actually Marina, what I believe is that it’s none of my business”

    Could you elaborate? I’m trying to get a better idea about which commandments of god, from the bible, you have selectively chosen to adopt and which ones you have chosen to ignore.

    Thanks.

  23. Hopesome says:

    Therese;

    Like I said his contrite words did not match his actions;

    I would say to anyone who is saying one thing and doing another! why; Its easy to gift the hand of hope, love, compassion, and the like we should be doing that daily; there are those however who have and seem determined to ‘fly in the face of and yet accept the gift of’ and that I find WRONG.

    Jesus has mercy the enemy non those in the middle, ie us, …………….have choices. We get it wrong sometimes. We repeat them yet again sometimes, we assume most of the time, but if arrogance still stands, with humility’s icing then self is in control.

    When you condemn ‘death’ smiles, when you judge ‘hopes ego smiles’ I hope I never smile for the wrong reason or bring death. BUT DECEPTION is how we weave both. That we can and should be ‘against’. Bene does research as do others ‘so do I’ its how you deal with it once it surfaces that denotes how your humanity is sitting and how deep you are prepared to delve to understand its agendas.

  24. Cathy says:

    As a devout Christian, I see that hypocrisy is one of the hardest things to forgive in others especially when you are being critcized for the very action that George Reker is being accused of. Hypocritical actions (like his) and the pointing of fingers dilutes the issue: sin. God’s plan is to have a man and a woman in a monogamous relationship. Same sex relationship is not part of Gods plan and is considered a sin. It is compelling to think you were born Gay, but it is more apporpriate that you were born with sin, just like every other person on the earth. You might have a natural attraction to the same sex and some might have an attraction to children and others to gluttony or alcohol etc. It is all sin to God, no degree of sin is higher than another, it is all sin. Repenting of that sin and accepting Jesus is the key to eternal life. Repenting does not mean your attraction to the same sex would disappear, but maybe for some of you it could. Most would still feel an attraction and would have to return to the cross daily, just like all the rest of us sinners dealing with our sins. God knows you might fall, but He can pick you up each time until you return to him and the kingdom. It is worth it, don’t let anger and the hypocrisy that you see in this world deceive you from receiving eternal life and all the rewards that can come with it. The Bible is true, read it before you criticize it or condemn it. People will fail you, but God will not.

  25. Therese says:

    Marina,

    As for me and my life I don’t want to ignore any of God’s commandments, they are life to my soul, and they lead me in the way everlasting.. Jesus said Come to me all you who are weary and heavy laden, and learn of me. Take my yoke upon you for my yoke is easy and my burden is light. There are only two yokes in existence – we either have one or the other. There is no such thing as having no yoke, and I would rather take upon me the yoke that leads to life!

  26. Marina says:

    So Cathy, are you saying that Jesus doesn’t have the power to overcome the sin nature that, through no fault of our own, was planted in each of us, from the beginning? That if homosexuality is a sin, gays and lesbians are to take the sin that they were dealt, through no fault of their own, to their graves? Doesn’t t he want to see his children free of the sin that daily ensnares them? Or is it an insurance policy in that it keeps them on their knees, begging, asking to be free of the thing he hates so much?

    If so, stop making excuses for him. You serve a weak god.

  27. Howie51 says:

    To trust your moral compass to a book filled with contradictions, errors, and outright nonsense, somewhat explains a twisted, hypocritical attitude towards homosexuality. To measure your attitude towards the GLBT community on the basis of one ancient and untrustworthy book, whose passages dealing with the subject are already well known to be vigorously contested, is nothing short of intellectual and spiritual blindness on a gross scale. Multiply this millions of times by Christians all over the world who have embraced this nonsense, and you instantly create a sin problem where none existed before. What possible business is it to anyone else what same sex consenting adults who are loving and affectionate towards one another, might do in private, and what does this have to do with the church, with someone else judging the act to be sinful, and cast dispersions upon their character, or set them aside as being inferior in some way to the rest of humanity?

    Christians are totally incapable of explaining why not even one contemporary historian alive at the time of Jesus never managed to pen even one word about him – let alone explain to the rest of the unbelieving world why homosexuals should be singled out and discriminated against. Jesus said not one word about the GLBT community – in fact it was the notorious “Paul” who quipped these words.

    Rather than writing the same tired sermons about returning to the cross, encourage your friends and family to welcome a gay person or couple into their home, and get to the know them on a personal basis. You might stop parroting words from the last sermon you heard, or the last Christian book you read on the subject, and actually learn something other than bigotry. If you wish to know where the fingers are pointing, try looking at the group promoting the notion of sinfulness. If God doesn’t like what they are doing, them let HIM tell them.

  28. Tim says:

    Does anyone remember the song by Boney M called “Rasputin”? I can’t quite remember the words but I think it goes something like this, “Rah, rah Righteous Man, lover of the Ku Klux Klan, He figured gay pride should all be gone. Rah, rah, Righteous Man, the one who takes a moral stand, it was a shame how he carried on”, or something to that effect?

    Well, it looks like Rasputin (Righteous Man) is at it again, and yes, this is quite on topic with this post:
    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/806526–harper-government-won-t-pay-for-toronto-gay-pride-festival?bn=1

    And the song concludes, “Oh, those republicans, er, emm, righteous, or umm conservative, hmm…, oh yeah, Russians”… I knew I’d remember it! Gotta love Boney Men… oops, I mean “M”!

  29. Marina says:

    Ah-Ha! Since I didn’t get an answer to my questions, I’ve searched and found the answer all by myself. And I found it, no less, in the sacred text of the bible. It’s clear as day.

    Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
    Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
    Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

    and

    Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
    Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    So, to paraphrase: To commit a sin after you have received the truth of the gospel, (ie. accepted Jesus into your heart as lord and saviour) is worse than never having the knowledge of the “truth” of god. Since there will be no other sacrifice to atone for sinning once you’ve initially surrendered and been forgiven by the grace of god, you will be met with a punishment worse than the unsaved.

    Why on earth would anyone want to inflict this gospel on anyone, just to have them mess up all because their savior either doesn’t want to or is just unable to make them holy and sanctified and free from sin? And then when they do mess up because they’re not been made perfectly sinless, they get a worse punishment than the heathen or infidel. Go figure. It would be better not to have known and accepted the “gift”. It’s just a set up for failure because we all know there isn’t anyone out there who doesn’t sin against god in some way.

    So there you have it. The moral of the story is – if your gay and you know it don’t become a happy clapper. It’s a death trap.

  30. Jonjon says:

    This is in response to Bene D comments posted May 5th. It seems much more has come out since that posting. For Rev. Reker to not know that the rentboy site was not gay, or what it was, is quite a strech, since it has grahic pictures and even profiles of men available . His “escort ” also claims he gave nude massages daily to Reker. Also Reker was seen pushing a cart loaded with luggage at the airport, alone with no problem(after surgery).It maddens me that people like Reker, have made a profit, making my life as a gay man as miserable as pssible. The guy is a creep ,that needs to do alot of soul searching. Once again a conservative Christian caught with his pants down, claiming to be persecuted because he is a Christian.

  31. Sean says:

    @ Cathy #24,

    If it’s worth anything, I’m with you. You’ve expressed my beliefs in your comment.

    If that makes me a “bigot” and a “hypocrite” in the eyes of some, then let the continued name-calling continue.

  32. Bene Diction says:

    Hey Jonjon:

    Thanks. A lot more has come out, including CNN showing the contract George Rekers signed with his escort.

    NARTH has revised their statement, reporters were in the room when Rekers talked to Mr. Roman about the trip.

    It appears Rekers was paid a great deal more for his Florida testimony, with Fla being the only US state which has banned adoption.

    Rekers influence over anti-rights legislation for GLBT in the US is to put it mildy, significant.

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