Sorry for the lack of posting, it’s a long weekend in Canada, I’m working as a volunteer for a festival and a lot of changes have been going on in my life which have been keeping me busy.
Let’s get to it.
For those interested in the Hinn vs Hinn divorce proceedings in the Superior Court of Orange County, California, the case # is 10D000898. For those who are familiar with family law in California, feel free to explain the terminology to those of us outside the US.
I mentioned under another post that Phil Cooke – a media company owner in the US tweeted something which may or may not have to do with the National Inquirer story.
Prediction: Two controversial TV evangelists are about to get engaged. Trust me – you won’t believe who….
Friday, July 16, 2010 5:28:37 PM via Tweetie for Mac
On July 23, the pictures of Hinn and White in Rome were in The National Enquirer.
July 24th, Hinn released his statement and Paula White released hers. We know it’s likely from the wording, the same copy writer was used. We know what was not said in the statements. Hinn was the first to take his statement down. White followed a few days later.
On July 28th The Associated Press reported Hinn was begging for donations to make up for what he said was a 2 million dollar shortfall. Last Saturday morning (July 24th) while looking for Hinn’s location, I found his call for the 2 million was online on his site prior to his weekend statement in response to the Rome rendezvous. That statement was put up while he was in Sweden. Hinns begging for 2 million was already online.
Hinn has a long history of begging. His Swedish host who had been asked not to have him speak, came out publicly against the gnosticism in Hinn’s Saturday speech. It was big news in Sweden. By mid-week Swedish newspapers had picked up on the Rome rendezvous.
I believe around or after the day Paula White took down her statement on the Rome rendezvous, this may have appeared on her church website. (Without Walls International Church in Florida)
Together again, if not sooner.
The Super Conference is being held October 8th to 10th at The Sun Dome in Tampa.
The date of posting on The Super Conference announcement at Whites other ministry site is June 28th.
A lot can happen in the Orange County divorce court proceedings (and in media) between now and October, and I’m curious to know who Phil Cooke was referring to in his cryptic tweet.
via: Christian Research Service and Apprising Ministries
Lols; is it me or does the fact that Paula needs (desperately) “1.8 million” – which plus tip = 2 million, looks like Uncle Benny is already involved?
Btw, it it shoah do look like Toufik Benedictus is moving up from Suzanne coach to Paula class. My big question is what can she possibly see in Hinn? Oh yeah $$$$
If the rumors are founded, it might be a fellow televangelist heavyweight rather than money. I don’t know what sunk her marriage to Randy White (not the former Cowboy lineman, BTW), but it might have been her becoming a big celebrity in the charismatic universe and him getting left as a second-banana. Hinn would be a peer in that TBN-charismatic universe.
As per the conference, having Jakes there makes it likely to be something more than just two alleged lovebirds having an excuse to get together. It’s big enough to merit using the USF basketball stadium rather than Paula’s pretty big church as a site.
Remember the scripture about Jesus feeding the thousands? After he took the five loaves of bread and two fish, he blessed them and told his disciples to feed all those people. I think if I heard that, I would instantly panic. But, according to scripture they had baskets of leftovers. At that point they wanted to make Jesus a king.
Such a miracle caused Jesus to have many follow him. Jesus said, “I Am The Bread of Life”. It was not about his miracles. It’s about what he puts into our hands to feed the thousands. We can feed people at home, work, and school. Because, he will give us what we need.
Remember the manna during the exodus from Egypt? One thing God told the Israelites was not to take more than you need. Take enough to sustain you. If you take to much, it will spoil. Maybe too much is being taken in some of these large ministries, and they are not using what Jesus has put into their hands. So, the excess may be spoiled.
Thanks BD…it has been busy at my work thsi week.
Wonder what the new National Enquirer has, if anything? Haven’t seen it yet.
I am sure that Suzanne Hinn was behind all the exposures as she was upset and had lost weight and became a blond to please Benny!
Hi Rick:
Nothing online for the National Enquirer. Haven’t glanced through a print version.
Crin Grieve August 2 at 2:13am
Just watched a episode about 2 mexican women claiming to be plastic surgeons having killed a woman by injecting toxic filler they use in walls in peoples at home procedures. They target young women and place supermarket adds willing to do in home botox ec. Why does paula and Suzzanne promote this knowing full well it goes against the scriptures. They have both had a lot of procedures done. It puts a lot of pressure on women when they make it so you have to be beautiful. It is killing women and Christian so called in ministry should not be promoting this plastic nightmare.
Women are dying from these womens influence.
I also just read about how there are unscruplous botox companies selling live strains of the poison. Potentially because of home injections a lot of women could die. Should not ministers of the gospel target younger women and make there hope and self esteem Jesus Christ and not the flesh. How many Christian women and so called ministers having mutilating procedures done in the name of the flesh.
What message do they give about God when they are promoting the flesh instead of the Spirit.
Our bodies are a temple of the holy spirit. It mocks God when we don’t accept how we look and we change ourselves. What is the difference than with tatooing ( you both have tattooed eyebrows no difference) or trans gender change.
You promote the world and a lot of young women will spend money they don’t have putting there lives at risk from your stupidity.
Walter I am glad you brought that element about plastic surgery to our attention:
To walk among the people you have to be the people and how many of the people can actually afford ‘enhance me’ procedures;
second thing is when Jesus shines through your life and allows you to ‘light up’ no amount of plastic procedure can come any where near close to its affect not only on your countenance but on your whole being – When that gift is given and you walk completely clothed in his prescence then believe me you don’t need plastic – you are so enthroned you just radiate –
The Joyce Meyer procedure to make one feel good and Paula’s apparent re-structure of her ‘earthly countenance’ + Mrs S Hinns renewal – are yet more proof that mans ways do not reach a depth of well-being that the Fathers do and frankly being in his prescence is so ‘come back for more’ and delight with me, that what the world and its place has to offer pales into insignificance and no longer calls you to its courts.-
We in our imperfections are what he welcomes – hollywood it seems needs the outward approval to lead the way for fame drives their hopes and the attention their desires.
Thank you for your updates on the Hinn/White affair. There are many of us following the evaluation of this story from Sweden, as a result of the shockingly unreasonable decision to invite this man to the Livets Ord Euro Conference in Uppsala.
My hopes are that more people will understand the need to audit the practices of self-appointed men of God. “For a tree is recognized by its fruit…”
PEACE
Should we speak out against false prophets and teachers
I notice Benny Hinn has nothing scheduled for the month of November.
Is that customary? Does he take a month off to tape TV shows etc?
Or does he have personal things to do?
How do you know these things to be true?
I think there are a lot of people out there who take the neutral point of view, when it comes to Benny Hinn and his wealth. However, as christians we should be aware that greed is an enemy. The enemy to rich and poor alike. When a man needs to retain his wealth as if it were a God, then who is the master?
A man’s life is more than the abundance of possessions. As Paul wrote, he learned to be content with what things he had.
In Luke 18:18-23 there is a young man who saw his possessions more important than the Kingdom of God. Jesus showed us there that he saw the quality of this young man, that he needed his wealth or possessions more than God’s Kingdom.
Sometimes we have to answer our own questions. It may not be what we want to hear. But, the truth is always best.
The ‘annointed’ ones of mans Evangelical Voice (s!) are running out of ways to preach and teach – We have had ‘gold dust’, fairy feathers, ‘voices of long gone evangalists supposedly telling us of great ‘awakenings’ (someone lay William Branhams ‘etc’., to rest will you! god bless him) all manna of prophecies we are ever in expectation of being realised!, manifestations of something or other!, more hype than one can handle in a generation ‘unless you like to boogie with the bibles ‘hope’ etc., and frankly the ‘annointed’ lives of some of the so called evangelists is getting to me big time! The entertainment element is overiding the sound content that we are so desperately in need of in a relational way that we can all identify with and be blessed by in and through the covenant of his heart. Frankly I would rather Jesus join me as I buy a bottle of milk -
Super duper bull – and smiley smiley hope with sugar candy coating – Sorry no offense meant – but NO
I’ll worship as we walk together through my mirad of needs and then maybe visit the likes of, ………………………’but only to see what their up to !’………………….. IN THE NAME OF JESUS – Don’t get me wrong I love to sing and like David, dance, but first he has to show me that I have a song and a dance before I enter their place of the same……..
Tomorrow is the Hinn’s wedding anniversary. A sad day for that couple as they remember the vows they made before GOD on August 4, 1978. Also a very sad day for the children of that union. I wonder if anybody, including God, actually understands WHY?
*That should read August 4th 1979.
Paula White and Benny Hinn’s Roman VACATION.
(maybe Paula White, who was NEVER ordained, has NO theological OR higher education…..CANNOT spell right???….. so, please read “in the vatican for ministry work” AS “on vacation ministering to ….”)
Benny Hinn and Paula White have written:
Benny Hinn, “I was invited by Vatican officials to visit the Vatican to discuss future ministry opportunities there. Paula was likewise invited to have meetings in the region, and, although we spent time together, we were never alone”.
Paula White says, “I publicly profess and forcefully renounce assertions that the recent trip to Italy to meet with Vatican officials suggests that the friendship is in any way improper or morally impure .We traveled independently to the region for respective ministry duties “.
LIES! LIES! LIES!
PROOFS:
1.On July 11, 2010 at the WWWIC, Tampa, Florida morning services (Paula White’s Church):
Emcees Sheila(pastor) and her husband Bill announced together for the first time. Sheila is the REGULAR emcee.
Between 9:30 and 9:45 AM for the 9AM service and between 11:30 and 11:45AM for the 11AM service these are the announcements Sheila made:
a) WWIC has completed 19 years and Pastor Paula is completing her first anniversary of her RETURN to WWIC.
b) Pastor Paula will be on vacation and is not here today (July 11, 2010) and will not be here on Thursday for the 7PM service (July15, 2010)
c) Pastor Fred did a great job on Thursday July 8, 2010. He will lead these services while Pastor Paula is on vacation.
d) We will ALWAYS stand up when we say Pastor Paula’s name in the future to respect her anointed spirit.
e) Jeff is available in the lobby before and after ALL the services this month to help the congregation with real estate issues like short sales. The church uses his services regularly. Please feel free to consult him in the lobby.
Sheila introduced her husband as the handsome man who will now be by her side. Things will now be done differently in the church.
ALL OF THE ABOVE WERE STREAMED LIVE AND CAN BE CONFIRMED BY HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF THE CONGREGATION AND INTERNET VIEWERS AS WELL AS BENG ON TAPE. ALSO, BY SHELA’s TESTIMONY UNDER OATH.
FURTHER PROOF: FROM Facebook:
Paula White | Facebook
Welcome to the official Facebook Page about Paula White.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Paula-White/104988617312
ABOUT PAULA WHITE’s NEGLECTING OF THE NEW TUESDAY SHOW:
Simona Foletta Hi Pastor Paula, Please say that you are just too busy about our Fathers business and that’s why you haven’t been live on Tuesdays (via http://www.paulawhite.tv) and that you will resume your teachings live on Tuesday’s once your schedule permits. We miss you Pastor Paula!!
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Valentina Kanich We miss you ,Pastor Paula!Can’t wait for you to connect with us live again!
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Linda Hughes George What’s going on woman of God?
July 19 at 2:32pm ·
ABOUT PASTOR PAULA COMING BACK FROM VACATION:
Patrick Bird We love you lots too Pastor Paula! It’s great having you back!
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Paula White What an AMAZING and AWESOME day we had in the presence of God today at WWIC! We are in a GREAT move of God… Souls are being saved, lives restored and the supernatural power of God manifested! I am grateful to experience His goodness! Love you all lots…
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ABOUT THE ANNIVERSARY:
Paula White I am excited about services at WWIC tomorrow 9 and 11 am! It will be our 19th year as a ministry and one year since my return as Senior Pastor. I am sooo grateful to Pastor the GREATEST people ever… I love you all LOTS!!! Make sure you bring someone with you!
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ABOUT PASTOR PAULA BEING ON VACATION WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF HER STAFF AND CONGREGATION:
Patrick Bird Dear Pastor Paula, The one true friend is Jesus that always knows who we truely are and will reveal that to those who are attracted to who we truely are. I am very blessed and privileged to know you and to receive from heaven through you each and every week as you speak into my life by preaching God’s Word! Hope your well deserved vacation provided you with the time to rest and enjoy your life apart from the daily demands that are normally upon you.
July 16 at 11:41am · Comment · Like · Flag
Elizabeth Valentin aka’Chispa Pastor Paula Javen was on FIRE the Holy Spirit took over last night!WOW..We miss you Momma come back home it truly is not the same without you!!!xoxo
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SOMEONE TAKE A PICTURE OF THESE PAGES OF PAULA WHITE’S OFFICIAL FACEBOOK PAGE!! TJOUGH THIS IS PROOOOOOOF!!!!
Now it says on her facebook page ” hurray im getting married soon!!!!”
I saved a screen shot in case she deletes it
Brett,
I’m not sure why Paula White is giving a victory call for herself. People get divorced and remarried all the time. The only thing I can see here is that she has a desire for the sensational. It’s a sad message to send out if you stand on a high platform and minister in the name of Jesus Christ.
I wish they would all GROW UP
Statistically speaking the 3 marriage doesn’t last long! Maybe Paula wants to deflect all the criticism about her affair and adultery?
Bene please pull the plug on True and let him write about Benny and Paula and not about others!
Hi Walter: I’m putting both of you on a 2 week time out. I asked both of you to play nice and stick to topic.
I am very busy in real life and don’t have time to babysit and handhold this month. – BD
Exzucuh Thomas Williams commented on Benny and Paula When a Christian submits to the devil he willingly opens a door and by his freewill allows the devil to come into his life, I see this all the time and then they live in denial and will not repent because they are a child of God and suffering for Jesus, they will not admit they have backslid. pride cometh before the fall.
The Tampa Tribune reported that Paula White’s ex-husband, Randy, announced the new assignment this month: He would step aside as senior pastor for health reasons and Paula would return from Texas to revive the church they started 18 years ago.
Paula returns to a ministry that has lost stature and supporters after the breakup of the couple’s marriage two years ago. Without Walls has endured a dwindling congregation, threat of foreclosure and a U.S. Senate inquiry into the ministry’s tax-exempt status.
What has not changed is the message: God wants believers to be healthy and wealthy, and they can get there by giving generously to the church. The more congregants give, the more they will receive.
Critics see Paula’s return as a last-ditch effort to fill church coffers before millions in loans come due next year. But others see her as a calm and steadying force and the church’s best chance for a revival. They look forward to a renewed focus on God’s word.
Religious experts and those who follow charismatic and Pentecostal preachers see Paula’s return as a necessity for her and the church.
Without Walls stumbled in the absence of Paula, whose ministry increasingly took her away from Tampa long before she and Randy divorced.
Randy, who struggled with the death of his 30-year-old daughter from his first marriage, often left preaching duties to associate pastors or guest ministers. He talked openly about wanting to move to Malibu, Calif. Sometimes congregants were surprised when Randy’s sermons included anecdotes about going to bars, cavorting with bikers and hanging out with former strippers.
Barbara Burgos, a small-business owner from South Tampa, left Without Walls almost a year ago because of Randy’s “obsession with talking about strippers and porn.”
“I don’t go to church to hear about sex, sex and more sex,” she said. “After he preached that every woman needs a pole in the bedroom to keep her husband happy, I knew it was time to go.”
Hello Walter,
I think the guy goes by “Gordon Driver” when he’s not at this blog.
Hope that helps.
Bene D thank you. They were giving me a headache.
Go job BD. I’ll be glad to never comment again.
I’m not your conscience, pastor or your parent True, you are an adult with adequate communication and social skills. You’ve shown yourself able to comment respectfully toward others and myself at BDBO in the past. I’m sure you can again.
As for Sean’s comment, email me with a cognizant reason and I’ll listen.
Sean hasn’t violated site policy, he expressed his opinion with respect for others.
In the years this blog has been online, 3 people have received time outs – one was banned.
Out of over 15 thousand 8 hundred comments – so few time outs is a stellar testimony to those who read and comment at this blog.
Readers of BDBO will have a safe and considerate place to comment.
You and Walter have been given a time out. You made the choice to iqnore a play nice warning, I asked you to stop fighting and stick to topic.
The play nice explanation is on the About page.
Teresa: I’d like to apologize to all readers of BDBO. I’ve been afk, and I appreciate readers who have shown respect for their community here.
My thanks to all of you – True and Walter won’t be giving anyone here a headache or hard time for two weeks.
Its the ‘fury’ that gets to you when you know someone is getting away with ‘lies’. – and ‘raping’ people of their wellbeing and beliefs – In the ‘rising’ out of the ‘scraps’ of life along with the Father my garden has had more conversions that the local congregations !!! – Its been weeded beyond ‘all expectations’, dug over more times than it ever hoped, and had more passions put into it than I thought were possible – ( a bit like me!) At the end of the day though he didn’t let the sun go down on my hurt, fury (at the betrayals of those ‘who loved me!’) but got them out of my system one way or another………… as he did the world – Love allows us to be truth ( and Jesus is love) and Bene thank you for allowing all of us to, passionately at times, express ours.
The church said that PW was on vacation from the 7/12-18, did she have to vacations? also BNJ was in Jamacia during those dates. If she was with BNJ 10 day before she was in Rome she gets around.
Let us pray and ask our Father to heal them and to heal us. We all need healing. It is up to us to trust their ministries. <
Have you noticed that Paula White is looking more and more like Joan Rivers ?
Bene D, Here is an article from Charisma magazine Aug 4 2010 from Lee Grady. He mentions no names but it is an interesting article, check it out.
http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/fire-in-my-bones/29039–say-goodbye-to-the-untouchable-preachers
Thanks Teresa:
Grady has a habit of saying things after the fact. That said he is one of the few who bothers to say anything. I noticed Charisma was touting their anniversary and how early in their publication schedule they mentioned Benny Hinn.
I agree with Grady’s gangster analogy.
Lets not forget his boss Stephen Strang who to my knowledge has never repented for sanctioning Todd Bentley, nor has he made the magazines pulpit superstars accountable . If I am wrong please correct me, anyone. I do not trust Grady or anyone from Charisma or its publishing arm. Charisma is a front. If it provided any credibility it would report and not promote. Its nothing but a sales flyer in magazine form. I do have a Pentecostal background so no one can say I have a bias against this magazine. If it means anything I was born and raised as a Roman Catholic. I consider myself non denominational.
I have shared this before and I will say it again; those at the top ARE guilty by their silence. I dont want to say why they are silent but I sure am implying it. I hope I am wrong but I dont believe that I am. Men of God that I personally admire from past history are quiet and I am giving them the benefit of the doubt. But I burn within and am grieved with their silence, even the noted Canadian big boys.
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Bene D Kind of like when Benny Hinn rebuked Todd Bentley and the lakeland revial after the fact, when it was over. Todd stold benny glory, benny couldn’t have that. Thanks
Kitty, maybe they have the same plastic surgeon
Why do people always say “thou shall not judge” ? Don’t they know G-D has already “Judged” adultery and said it was a “SIN”? Its one of HIS big ten “Thou shall NOT commit ADULTERY” its number seven on the list, btw the number seven is G-D’s perfect number. In Luke 7:41-43 Jesus praises Simom for judging rightly. In first Corinthians 6:1-5 we are TOLD to JUDGE these matters(not according to our own judgment, but the JUDGMENT G-D has said in HIS WORD.) And in first Corinthians 4:5 when the LORD brings “light” to someones sin then we are told again to “Judge” according to HIS WORD.In Matthew 18:15-17 we are TOLD to JUDGE again by G-D’s ALREADY established Judgment
The gangster analogy fits somehow, sadly.
In this YouTube link Hinn attempts to put a curse on all those who question his activity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wAQ5ftiEqE&feature=related
It is the antithesis of the Gospel message.
If a Christian believes that they are being cursed with spells and he or she has the authority to return that curse back to sender several fold. This is a spiritual principal that the Lord has taught us in the book of Psalms. God is a God of justice, we are not to be the tail. If you are a Christian you have authority in Christ. I have been getting spiritually attacked lately and I think its because of the things I have disclosed recently. You dont have to believe a word I am saying. But it would be wise to seek this matter in prayer and in scripture. Another thing occultists and satanists dont want you to understand is that they can identify you being in Christ by the light that your spirit shines, they can and do see into the spirit world[the other dimension]. This is how they identify me, that and their familiar spirits. Next time a christian??? minister pronounces a curse on a believer let them be warned. Notice that Judas Iscariot also cursed, rather sent out curses. Forget which Psalm mentions that, if you want to know just ask and I will look it up.
I feel a need to apologize for my lack of writing skills. I am poorly educated and at times I am a bit scattered in my thinking. Yet the Lord uses me in His Kingdom. Truly He uses the base and lowly things of this world to shame the arrogant wise of this world. And more power to Him for that, LOL.
Naxus, I would like to see that scripture because that sound like witchcraft to me, sorry. I heard that stuff from a woman preacher on time, how a witch would place a curse on her and she would send it back at them, and this woman was crazy. She was under Bill Hamon from christian international ministries. I don’t know sounds like white magic and witchcraft. I thought we are not to curse no man and we are under the Blood of Jesus.
Naxus, I agree with you because I am not sure I trust Lee Grady either but I do think there was truth to that article and he did make some good points, that’s all.
Naxus, I beleive what you are saying is true about the demonic attacks- I have had a few weird situations happen where I knew stuff was being sent to me-however my response based on how Jesus showed me that it is better not to send the curse back on them because they will think they have run into a bigger sorceror than they! They can also be severely wounded from demons sent back fr their assignment and become even more vengeful toward beleivers. If you immediately go into prayer for them instead and ask God to bind/break off whatever was sent and after bless them in truth-this will dismantle all their firepower-I’ve done this! This passage is why>
Proverbs 25:21-22
21If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
22For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee.
David was a mighty warrior who talked of God’s gentleness>Psalm 18:35
Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy right hand hath holden me up, and thy gentleness hath made me great.
People in the occult have not really encountered the love of Jesus because when they really do,they are deeply affected by it whether they admit it or not. I’ve seen it! Love your enemies no matter how impossible it seems…. Peace..< S.
Paula has CLEAN hands…Say what You want but she is a Good Girl..I really do believe that..These are people like You and Me..They struggle like anybody with Sin, temptation, greed ETC..I dont care 4 Benny 2 much but Paula walks a clean life..She knows the consequences 4 Sin…….They are not having sex..IT is possible 4 people to love one another and BE Friends only…She divorced when She was very young and new to the Call…We are way critical with all our put downs, assuming, gossip..IM sick of the legalistic -phony church..Christians have big mouths with nothing to offer lately
No its not witchcraft its the law of sowing and reaping. I might have a better understanding on this matter. The curse spell or hex HAS to go somewhere, its doesnt magically go away. It has to land somewhere. If a crook gets caught he has to pay the consequences. We are talking about an evil act that can kill or ruin you in ways you cant understand unless you are familiar with how potent witchcraft is . Hunger has nothing to do with excepting witchcraft to destroy you. I have a God given gift that enables me to discern a “Wicked” one and I am nothing but kind to them, I am a Christian after all. But to allow them to run rough shot on me is not the will of God nor have I been instructed by the Lord to allow them to. The book of Psalms is filled with imprecatory prayers and you dear Teresa are not more righteous than the Holy Spirit who penned them by king David. If God expects us to blind fold our eyes to justice then we should expect the same from Him. Teresa you want your life ruined by witchcraft thats your choice. I am trained by the Lord and I get lots of attacks and if I dont defend myself I die. Do you want these monsters to succeed and have me die instead? That is not Gods desire for me nor is it His will for me. If you have very little knowledge to no knowledge on the occult and witchraft please dont argue the matter. At the very least ask God about it. If your His Sheep you can hear from Him.