Christian broadcaster Crossroads Television System (CTS) has been found in violation of broadcasting codes for statements made by evangelical television personality and minister Charles McVety that implied there was a “malevolent, insidious and conspiratorial purpose” to the activities of homosexuals.
From July 2009 through February 2010 Mcvety disparaged homosexuals on his tv show Word TV, formerly Word.ca. (corrected – BD)
So The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council gave McVety a few words.
“My good name has been impugned by this report,” he said.
Here is the CBSC decision. Charles is all upset he wasn’t notified, but technically CTS who would have had to respond to complaints lodged with the CBSC were well aware. If they didn’t tell McVety, oh well, too bad, so sad.
CTS, which is a member of the council, said it would take the “required steps to make sure our programs are in compliance.” Crossroad Television is required to read the decision on air and to make sure similar offences do not occur again.
More at the National Posts Holy Post blog.
McVetys show runs on the rival The Miracle Channel also.
Update: McVety is wearing his temporary suspension as a badge of honour, and with a decided lack of knowledge on what The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council is. Time for the infamous McVety cherry picking outrage:
On Wednesday December 8th the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council launched a vicious attack against free speech and Word TV, knocking the program from CTS until further notice. Word TV is deemed to be malevolent, insidious, and conspiratorial for using the term ‘sex parade’ and opposing the proposed Ontario Sex Ed curriculum.
The CBSC convicted Word TV without a hearing and national Chair admits that neither he or the council have read the Ontario sex ed curriculum. How can they convict Word TV of an opinion on a document without reading the document? Mr. Cohen says that their decision is final with no process of appeal.
Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees freedom of speech, opinion, press and religion.
How can Mr. Cohen subvert our basic freedoms?
Who gave him the authority to condemn us and evil and insidious?
Why is there no hearing, representation or appeal?
That Mr. Cohen attacks us. Tomorrow it may be you.
Read the Human Rights clause in the CAB Code of Ethics. When you have done that McVety, read the Religious Programming Clause. Oh, then have a look see at the Negative Portrayal Clause of the CAB Equitable Portrayal Code. If you don’t like Canada’s private broadcasters self-policing, then go back to buying time on stations not interested in industry self-regulation, such as The Miracle Channel who is not a member of The CBSC.
The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council (CBSC) is an independent, non-governmental organization created by the Canadian Association of Broadcasters (CAB) to administer standards established by its members, Canada’s private broadcasters. The Council’s membership includes more than 730 private sector radio and television stations, specialty services and networks from across Canada, programming in English, French and third languages.
McVetys show is also on ichannel, which is a member of the CBSC.There is no teeth to the CBSC decision other than a public shaming of CTS and Word TV, but at least the decision is public.
Update: CTS is putting McVety’s show, WordTV back on the air. They assigned an editor. This could get interesting. Given his drama filled statement released about the CBSC and his inability to control himself, if up to half the show winds ups edited, what is left to fill the time? McVety commercials? No word on ichannels decision about carrying WordTV.
Update: I wrote ichannel. It no longer carries Word TV.
@Susan
No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.
Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness’ own knowledge.
@Susan
It may come as quite a shock to you – but your Jesus is not supported historically. Open your mind and listen to what a renowned scholar had to say.
Biblical scholarship gets forced into a lower standard by the very sources they examine. A renowned Biblical scholar illustrated this clearly in an interview when asked about Biblical interpretation. David Noel Freeman (the General editor of the Anchor Bible Series and many other works) responded with:
“We have to accept somewhat looser standards. In the legal profession, to convict the defendant of a crime, you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. In civil cases, a preponderance of the evidence is sufficient. When dealing with the Bible or any ancient source, we have to loosen up a little; otherwise, we can’t really say anything.”
-David Noel Freedman (in Bible Review magazine, Dec. 1993, p.34)
Loosen up a little eh Susan? Or say NOTHING!
Go ahead an explain away all the Timechart’s of Biblical History. Can any of your resources explain away maps, lists and Chronologies? That’s a tall order, I don’t expect an answer. Just the same you stand corrected on the “superstitious goat hearders”.
I conclude that the matter of Holy concepts are what you don’t want to hear. So I will not waste your time or mine.
“I conclude that the matter of Holy concepts are what you don’t want to hear”
On the contrary, that’s exactly what we want to hear, but please provide credible and verifiable sources, unless that’s too tall of an order….
Susan
Can you explain what holy concepts are?
This will probably put things into perspective much better than all the arguments here. Quite a good summary, I’d say.
http://www.alternet.org/story/149224/why_religious_people_are_scared_of_atheists?page=entire
When two or three are gathered together so shall I be with them !
Proof is what man seeks to satisfy his need to prove himself credible.
“I conclude that the matter of Holy concepts are what you don’t want to hear.” Amen Susan.
Atheistatbirth is very clearly demonstrating part of the Bible (that he professes not to believe) right in front of our eyes. He is always stomping his foot and demanding like a spoiled child and ‘tempting’ us to think and communicate HIS way by crawling around in the dust on our bellies like he is where he is eating from the tree of knowledge and ‘logic’. You want us to stoop down and “Explain holy concepts” to you?? NO, Atheistatbirth, YOU come up HIGHER! You will never know what holy means until you do, no matter how much it is ‘explained’ to you. This must be why you love to study the dirt so much and the dead things that are in it.
“Proof is what man seeks to satisfy his need to prove himself credible.”
You see, Atheistatbirth, you can have your ‘logic and reason’, but what some of us seek is WISDOM which can only come from the One you deny – of which the above-quoted is a gem of an example.
“Proof is what man seeks to satisfy his need to prove himself credible.”
It was reported and apparently witnessed that Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego had a fourth person join them in the furnace.
Is witnessing his presence in a physical way too much to ask? Personally, I don’t think so.
Now, let’s see, do we have three devoted believers willing to step forward to try this experiment? Perhaps the ladies here would like to give it a try???
Tim: You have witnessed your 3 in the furnace plus ‘one’ ………. Both you and Atheistatbirth showed us your ‘furnace’ sadly though it has been no match for our determination to release your flames, ‘at the very least’, to a mere flicker……………
But I still haven’t seen Jesus in it… Any idea where he might be?
As far as being no match, we have only been discussing pre-school stuff here. Would you like us to ramp it up a notch or two? Maybe I can actually make some productive use of my ministerial education.
Hananiah, Mishael & Azariah. For these 3 the pressure to deny their God, did not work. Will God always rescue you because of your faith? Suffering for these 3, was not the issue, it was serving their God. Today the message is still eternal and suffering , we just may have to endure.
As far as an experiment to temp God to prove something, I will decline. I will stand on one thing, His word. One other issue, I would not want to think I could behold God without Jesus their either. This you can ponder on, and once you find it, you may just understand. It’s not my desire to go through this life without Jesus. So, don’t look here for the answers you seek.
“So, don’t look here for the answers you seek.”
So why is everyone here providing half-baked answers then? Is that supposed to intrigue me or something?
We are looking for honest answers of which to this point in the thread, there has not been one. Lots of conjecture, avoidance and twisting of words, but no answers. Yup, sounds like a belief I want to have controlling my life… NOT!
“I will stand on one thing, His word.”
…. you have repeatedly proven our point. Christianity, when backed into a corner, where credible evidence is demanded, resorts to a ceremonial pulling of the sacramental robes over the ecclesiastical eyes. Cling to your superstitions.
So at the end of the day Atheistatbirth and Tim – you want proof – Of what exactly – Something greater than you have ever seen perhaps, heard (from the likes of the ‘fallen ones +) perhaps, maybe some ‘earth shattering example of a ‘move of GOD ‘ perhaps
Would you mind being more specific please …………
Or are you just a pair of ‘old fossils’ digging in the ‘wind’
Atheist Bible Study For Hopesome — Borrowed from (you
guessed it – Atheist Bible Study)
Read and learn:
Remember that ridiculous number of ancient Hebrews wandering through the desert? 600,000 men plus women, children, people of mixed breeds and vast herds of livestock? This came up to an implausible number of humans totaling, at least, 2.5 to 3 million people plus “all their livestock, very numerous flocks and herds.” 300? Uh… maybe. 3000? Damned unlikely. 3 million? WTF! How can anyone with even a sliver or intelligence believe in this crapola? This has always been one of those glaring absurdities for which the Bible is quite famous, infamous really, and for which its undying fans defend constantly. It started off as farcical, but as we go further into Exodus the number becomes more so.
The story continues. The Hebrews have begun their great “wandering in the desert” phase, all three million of them. Naturally, they are quite thirsty, as anyone who has walked in deserts can attest to. Both humans and animals are going to go through a lot of water, and the bodies can go without adequate supplies only for a short while. A gallon of water a day is a paltry sum and really insufficient for the most basic of needs. In a hot desert, and the Arabian deserts are quite hot, it wouldn’t even cover drinking water. Two gallons a day would be barely adequate for drinking and basic cooking and then only for short durations. This means that at the very least 6 million gallons per day would have to consumed, plus a very plausible equal amount for the animals. Where did this water come from? This is a dry land, hence the term “desert.”
The believer always brings up magic, the power of God, that Voodoo that Yahweh does so well. This is their ultimate bullshit trump card brought out whenever parts of the Bible don’t make any rational sense. Like now. But lets look at it a bit closer. Even with magic water springing from rocks, getting water to 3 million people would have been quite an undertaking. So let’s just allow that God’s magic can bring water forth from the rocks. Yeah. Yeah. I know it hurts, but the results are quite interesting.
After three days of desert marching with no water, Moses’ tribe comes to Marah, a place where water exists but tastes so bitter it cannot be drank. Obviously the people are pissed at Moses and his god for not taking care of this basic need. One does have to wonder why God continually let’s his “chosen people” get to the point of bitching about thirst before he acts. I’d be a poor father if I never fed my son until he was dropping along the trail or never gave him water until he was clawing at his throat. But Yahweh hardly seems concerned about my Father-of-the-year award anyway, so he ignores them up until they can’t take it any more, and they start to whine. And whine they do. So God in his infinite goodness, instructs Moses to take a certain magic stick and throw it into the pond to make it fresh and God be praised, it does. The water is now potable. OK, I’ll shove my head up my ass and just accept this. But think, only one source of water and 3 million people plus their vast herds of livestock to drink. How in the hell are they all going to get even close to the source, let alone get enough water to drink. Like getting food to starving people, the difficulty all lies in the distribution. It’s distribution baby, distribution!
Having lived in the poorer parts of Africa for two years, I am well acquainted with people getting water from primitive sources. It is a long laborious process getting water from a communal pool to your house. Let’s use an African model and just assume only the women go and each of them carries a big pot or jug to fill and supply their family’s needs for the day. That’s 600,000 women per day taking 8 gallons of water for their four member families from a single source. Let’s make it easy for the believer and say that five feet of space per person is adequate and the water doesn’t get muddy as they fill. The pool water magically remains clean after each fill. Not the norm, mind you, but let’s give the deluded literalists what we can.
While were pulling magic figures out of the ass of Yahweh, let’s also say that each woman can fill her jug and get out-of-the-way in just a minute. If anyone thinks this is too long and I am making shit up, you really need to watch this process in action, even better, try it for yourself. One minute is GD efficient. A woman who can do this consistently is a woman to hang on to. I’m telling you that babe is worthy of amazon status and should be worshiped accordingly. Let’s also be very generous and say they can do this all night long to give them as long as possible. The numbers are fascinating. 600,000 women divided by 24 hours and again by 60 minutes gives us 417 women filling at any one time. With five feet of shoreline apiece the pool has to be a minimum of 2100 feet in circumference and be at least 670 feet across. Now that’s a damned big pool. And that’s being very generous with my estimates and assuming that everyone works together like a well oiled machine. And of course, all vast hordes of human beings are incredibly well mannered and efficient when busting their asses in very close proximity to each other. Shit! There’d be heaps of bodies floating in the pool every morning from the fights that broke out. And this is with my highly generous figures. There can be little doubt that realistic pool dimensions would be, at least, three or four times this!
And I doubt even these Hebrew super women could carry enough water for their entire family and all their animals in a single trip. If you think that it’d be easy understand that two gallons of water apiece for a family of four is 64 pounds of water to haul back to camp. With 3 million people camped sprinkled like cow shit in a pasture, can you imagine how far the average water trip would be? A mile? Simple calculations on the space such a number would take are astounding. With every person just taking 100 square feet and this is for themselves, their possessions and animals but also including room for walkways, carts, and cooking, not to mention basic sanitation, the entire group would form a circle just under 4 miles in diameter. That’s an average of a mile from the water and still everyone is packed tighter than sardines. I’m sorry people, but I must call bullshit. There is no way that this could be done with even ten water sources. The cake is a lie!
Anyway! After this, Moses leads them to the oasis, Elim. The water here has to be good because everyone appears happy with it. 3 million people descend on twelve whole springs and seventy palm trees. Whoowhee! Paradise, right? Swimming! Bathing! Um… Wait… Twelve springs? Seventy palms? Holy sheep shit, Batman! That’s 250,000 people per spring and nearly 50,000 per palm tree. The entire oasis would look like an emerald postage stamp lying in a parking lot of people, a little green speck in square miles of humanity. No Frakking way! Of course, all the same watering issues apply. And seventy palm trees? That wouldn’t supply enough wood to cook a single meal for even a hundredth of them. After this swarm passed through there’d be nothing left but a damp spot and a few wood chips, and people dying of thirst wouldn’t even have been affected. Bullshit again!
Then farther along they again are thirsty and pissed, once again. So pissed that Moses is worried they’re going to stone him, so God commands him strike a rock with his staff. He does this and, (It’s a miracle!) water gushes forth. And let me tell you, We now know it’d really have to gush forth, a veritable geyser of water, a raging torrent that would wash people away.
No matter how you rationally view it, these numbers come out to be absurd. The story of Rapunzel becomes down right logical compared to this. The Brothers Grimm? Inerrant truth tellers. Nostradamus? Well, he’s still a stoned out of his mind idiot, but the rest look better. Now, I admit that there may be nuggets of wisdom in this book, but in no way can it be regarded as literal and inerrant truth. Forcing the issue by insisting the entire Bible is without blemish helps the atheistic cause rather than hinders it. If you champion the very concept of saving everything or nothing, you save nothing. It’s all true or none of it is then you wind up with nothing. You end with stories, simple stories, which is exactly what the Bible is. These are fairy tales used to explain shit an illiterate group of herdsmen couldn’t understand. I understand why they believe what they did. In the savage times they lived, it was the best they could do. What I don’t understand is why people today continue to hold on to their Santa Claus mythology in the face of all the evidence. All the science and knowledge we have accumulated over the preceding centuries is tossed to the side in sight of the most vacuous superstition. Everyone knows that storks are the real source of babies in spite of all that falsified vaginal birth evidence.
We’re not children. We should know better by now! The fact that we don’t makes me despair for the species.
Let’s try something simple… like one proven and documented miracle. I believe that’s what Atheist asked for earlier. Even something simple, like a limb being grown out or a blind person who has received perfect vision, or a person who was verifiably raised from the dead. These are the simple ones and Jesus said you will do greater miracles than he did. I don’t care about the “greater” ones, I just want to see the simple ones, that’s all. Again, am I asking too much?
Atheistatbirth answer my question………. Tim – If Satan rules then so do his methods……..
Therefore you have quite rightly a need to see what healing really means…
Again Hopesome, more innuendos without substance. One simple thing is all I am asking and you can’t even entertain the thought let alone provide an answer.
“It is so because it says it is so and if you don’t understand it, I’m not going to explain it, so there”, is an answer acceptable to nobody and clearly confirms that a person providing such an answer is either infantile or completely full of shit!
Hmm. Wonder just why certain calanders and astronomer’s are of great interest to world history? I’m sure they are useful for something? Could there be any definitive logic to them? Oh well, no need to get upset gentlemen. Have to go for now. Lot’s to do.
Tim: one simple thing is all you ask…….. Well how about ……..Lord if Korea is left to its own devices are we all going to be blown into kingdom come as I have a nine year old to think of!
Susan, every calendar and astronomer is of interest to those who are curious about them, but face reality, even the best fiction uses actual calendars, places and people. It helps to make the story either more believable or to give it some perspective that we can relate to. The bible is no different. It contains a history line and genealogies but as far as authenticity goes, that’s really stretching it.
Hopesome, how about providing something that has already happened, rather than a what-if scenario? Besides, where the hell is you god who should be watching over North Korea and why are you even concerned about a nine year old child? Your god should keep him safe, so stop worrying about it. As a matter of fact, it shouldn’t even be of any concern to you because he’s got it all worked out for our greater good. Who cares about the suffering and our own children, god’s plan is so much greater.
He has far more important things he needs to do right now Tim – Your job is to be open enough for him to guide you to protect your nine year old – as he has done with me and mine…….
Hopesome, are you saying that he’s not omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent? He’s got better things to do so he can’t multi-task? Huh, go figure…
“Christianity, when backed into a corner, where credible evidence is demanded, resorts to a ceremonial pulling of the sacramental robes over the ecclesiastical eyes. Cling to your superstitions.” – AtheistAtBirth
You nailed it. Christianity as every other religion, can only provide circular answers to validate it’s claims:
- God is real because his word says he’s real.
- The bible says it. I believe it. That settles it.
Hopesome, Therese, Susan and the like, you all need to do more thinking and less believing. Thinking, studying and examining the evidence/information with humility and honesty, no matter where it leads you, goes against any faith-based, invisible deity-worshiping religion. Why? Because what you find just may incite a faith crisis like in my case. But I don’ t expect that will happen any time soon because it seems you are all too set in your ways, too jaded and secure in what you believe to be true and who you perceive to be the real enemy, too delusional to do something crazy, like, THINK.
You’re stuck in bubble. Your perception of reality is distorted by your religious beliefs. It is so easy to ignore and be so removed from what is really going on in this world and not question what it’s all about and how it’s all part of a divine god’s plan to restore mankind to himself, when you hide under your ancient manuscript supposedly written under the inspiration of your god. It’s a cop-out, escape from reality to deliberately not wrestle with these issues. If you think he’s got the whole world in his hands, you are not part of the solution, and dare I say, a hindrance to finding the solution to the problems that plague our planet.
People who claim to hear voices are labeled schizophrenic and treated as psychotics. This is seen as a dysfunction of normal brain processes. Not so for those who claim their delusions are from god. At least not until they commit a crime. No, as long as you claim to belong to some organized, visible religion, you can make the most ridiculous, unprovable claims and get a free pass, even become the ruler of a nation.
Remember, you are all a product of your culture. Had you been born in a part of the world not predominately Christian, your object of worship and mindset would be completely different.
Marina you ARE what you think – enough said.
And Hopesome, you have nothing valuable to say.
Hopesome, at least Marina thinks. She hasn’t fully surrendered her mind to delusion. Is that even biblical?
Hopesome you have nothing of value to say !
You hope Marina !
Go pluck the turkey
Tim: Go peel the sprouts
Hopesome
Your goose is cooked.
Atheistatbirth: You wish !
Hopesome
This is a list of the 14 legislators of the ancient gods of the Vedic periods. (1700-650BC) India
* RUDRA : the god of storms – a frightening god whose voice could be heard roaring in the storm.
* SANJNA : the god of conscience and the wife of SURYA (sun). The couple has three children:
* MANU (NOAH), YAMA (god of hell) and YAMI (the queen of the river Yamuna.)
* SARASVATI : the wife of BRAMHA. In ancient times she personified one of the 3 sacred streams.
* SOMA : the name of the nectar of the gods; he later became the Moon god.
* VARUNA : personified the sky and the earth. He was the most ancient Vedic god. He supervised the Demons of the ocean and of darkness.
* VAYU : the god of the wind. He had other names also. He was the bearer of perfumes, and
* sometimes known as the god who was never at rest.
* VRITR : the evil, destructive snake who caused famine. However, he also started the Creation of The World.
* YAMA : the god of the mind and the messenger of death.
If you were going to examine the legitimacy of these gods – what proof would you demand? What evidence would you require of those who believed wholeheartedly in these gods?
Hopesome
How would you advise someone in your church to disprove these gods, if you had no bible to refer them to?
Zeus, or, to give him his later Roman name, Jupiter. He was probably the chief god of the Achaeans, brought by these invaders from their northern home; for he is much the same as Odin, or Woden, the Scandinavian chief god.
Hera, the ancient “Great Mother” of Crete and Argos
Neptune was also an ancient Pelasgian or Aegean god.
Pluto, who ruled over Hades, the world of the dead.
Minos, the old Cretan king, who was supposed with his brother, Rhadamanthus, to give laws to the dead,
the goddess Pallas Athena, or Minerva, to whom the Athenians were specially devoted, was declared to be a daughter of Jupiter.
the old Pelasgian sun-deity Apollo, who had a shrine at Delphi. He was declared to be a son of Jupiter
Anyone who has a mantel of HOPE knows also those who oppose its LIFE- I am familiar with your GOD’s Atheistatbirth – it took more than a bible to render them ‘null and void’…
The darkest of them all is TRIUMPH – you forgot to mention ‘her’.
and NEMESIS
ah! my Nemesis the underworld is ‘her’ domain – mine the high courts of honour
Atheistatbirth: I am a jew with a greek name.
Hopesome
Came up powerless again. Your god is awfully dumb.
Atheistatbirth: You forgot the hidden one………… who hides
Enjoy the walnuts !!
Hopesome
Hides, and is a failure. His adherents resemble him.
“Go pluck the turkey”… “Go peel the sprouts”
Sorry Hopesome, I guess your god didn’t tell you… This year, we’re having a fondue, so no turkey and no sprouts. Besides, who peels sprouts?
Hopesome
Have a Merry xmas.
If god is the creator of all things, then he ought to also be the “god of Nature,” and, is responsible for the pain and desolation produced by such calamities as volcanoes, with their red-hot lava; the earthquakes and epidemics that destroy millions of human beings; the explosions in the mines which cause the agonizing deaths of husbands, fathers, and sons, the railway accidents and the storms at sea. These calamities occur either with or without his interference.
Praise God from whom all cyclones blow,
Praise Him when rivers overflow,
Praise Him who whirls the churches down,
And sinks the boats, their crews to drown.”
Don’t ya just love him!
Hopesome says:
December 23, 2010 at 11:44 am
Atheistatbirth: I am a jew with a greek name.
Three married couples, one Jewish, one Irish, and one Greek, all die on the same day and arrive at the gates of Heaven.
St. Peter asks the Jewish man why he deserves to be in Heaven. He replies, “I’ve been a pious Jew all my life, I attended synagogue every Saturday, and I raised a lot of money for Jewish causes.”
“And what is your wife’s name?” St. Peter asks.
“Penny,” the man replies.
“Penny?!!” shouts St. Peter. “You Jews are all alike. Money, money, money. You even married a woman whose name has to do with money! Get out of my sight! You are damned to Hell!”
Then St. Peter asks the Irishman why he deserves to be in Heaven. “I’ve been a devout Catholic throughout my life, attended church every Sunday, and always gave generously to the collection plate.”
“And what’s your wife’s name?” St. Peter asks.
“Brandy,” the Irishman replies.
“Brandy?!! You Irish are all alike. Drink, drink, drink. You even married a woman whose name is a type of alcohol. Get out of my sight! You are damned to Hell!”
With that, the Greek guy turns to his wife and says,
“Fanny, I think we have a problem…
@Hopesome who claims “Anyone who has a mantel of HOPE knows also those who oppose its LIFE- I am familiar with your GOD’s Atheistatbirth – it took more than a bible to render them ‘null and void’… ”
Christians were in charge of the world for a thousand years, and we call the majority of that time The Dark Ages for a reason. The evidence you have or the arguments you present are the same as those given by the Muslims, the Jews, the Hindus and the New agers which is to say no evidence at all.
Christians always use the same plodding arguments and base massive beliefs on a few small assumptions, desperately clinging to lies to avoid the pain of realizing they’ve been wrong their entire lives.
Tim: Poor is a state of mind not a state of pocket………….
Atheistatbirth: Thankyou for showing us your true colours- its been a priviledge showing ‘them’ who you really are!
All that is hidden shall be revealed………..
Enjoy the break you old fossils ………….
Britain sends you her greetings
Happy ancient Roman pagan celebration Fanny!