Two of the most scary video soundbites that I have recently heard

By Rick Hiebert. All Rights Reserved. Used by Permission

It takes some doing for Todd Bentley or a friend/supporter of his to leave me a bit gobsmacked by something they say.

Let’s turn a last time to Todd Bentley’s appearance on the History TV Canada program Miracles Decoded June 1, 2 and 4

A couple of soundbites contained in the Todd Bentley segment of that episode of Miracles Decoded are a bit unnerving, to say the least. I’ll try to save the relevant clips on YouTube, but in case they disappear, I’ll type them out.

Todd Bentley says something unnerving at 35:15 of the show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_NG4cbhS4I

He says this:

“I can’t expect people just to accept that what I say and do is real. People need to have evidence and they need to have science. They need to have verification and we’re good with that.”

Frankly Todd, you don’t act like it. I’ll explain…

1. Thanks to the YouTube poster who saved and annotated this clip from the ABC Nightline profile of Todd Bentley during the Lakeland Revival.

Todd lies about praying for a little boy with Spina Bifida
Todd lies about whether he said onstage, and on God TV, that the boy was healed. Moreover, Todd tries to argue that he boy had faith for healing. He had nothing really to do with it if you’re holding him accountable for it.
Shortly after the boy was healed, he still had spina Bifida according to his Mom.

If Todd is “good with” verification, why did he lave it for ABC News to do?

Did he explain what happened to the boy on the Lakeland stage? I’d bet dollars for doughnuts he didn’t.

2. And then there is the noted World magazine article which noted that people that Todd Bentley’s ministry proclaimed were healed died shortly after Lakeland of what they had been healed of.

http://www.worldmag.com/2009/05/heal_or_heel

If you’re “good with” verification, why did World magazine do this and not you, Todd Bentley?

Accountability for what you do doesn’t end once the person leaves your stage.

3. Todd Bentley addressed the question of whether he brought people back from the dead in a May 2010 video distributed by his mentor Rick Joyner.

Unfortunately the video is now behind a subscriber wall, but fortunately I quoted it at some length in this post.

http://ricksmiscellany.blogspot.ca/2010/07/todd-bentley-repents-of-hype-only-to.html

Bentley appears to be quoting some kind of report about the 22 people who came back from the dead as of 2010–down from 31, I note at Lakeland.

We still don’t know who did the report. No names so we can asked this or these doctor(s) directly.

Bentley, as far as I know, has never released this report. He has just quoted it once in this video. Allegedly.

I noted that the only thing the report’s experts were willing to do was commit to possible resuscitations, not resurrections.

As I noted back then:

Todd Bentley is hoping that you don’t listen carefully, as resuscitation doesn’t mean resurrection.

A Princeton University online dictionary offers a very interesting definition for our purpose:

(n) resuscitation (the act of reviving a person and returning them to consciousness) “although he was apparently drowned, resuscitation was accomplished by artificial respiration”

I’ll bet that these two doctors and their report, commissioned by Todd Bentley and his friends, will never see the light of day.
Doctors X and Y are playing it very safe. I’ll bet dollars for doughnuts that they don’t use the exact phrase “miraculous resuscitations”. I’ll bet it is “resuscitations”.

It could refer to a miracle, but the doctors are playing it safe. “This person was apparently unconscious and is now conscious. We do not know why,” is probably a layman’s explanation of what they are trying to say.

And Todd Bentley takes it and runs with it, swaddling what the doctors were willing to say in “back from the dead” verbiage.

BLOCKQUOTE

Todd Bentley says he is “good with” verification so that you will think that he is. He says it, must be true. But there is evidence he is not.

Release the doctor’s report, Bentley. Unedited, with the names and contact information for the doctors

The second one is where Summer M. Cottam comments on her Mom’s “healing” with a presumed assist by Todd Bentley.

At the 57:00 mark of the show, she says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENo8_qf6o98

“I mean, it doesn’t matter if it is true or not that she was healed by God. No matter what she was healed…however it came about. It can’t be wrong or right.”

Now, back in the days of the Apostles, healings–as part of signs and wonders–were intended to back up the preaching of the Gospel.

If we presume that this is a true healing, Summer has missed the central point of what has happened. And it is completely Todd bentley’s fault. A glaring fault of how he does ministry.

Anyone presumably healed should absolutely walk away from that with several facts. Onlookers too.

1. Jesus (or “God”) must get credit for what happens, especially if it is good. Summer should know that “God” is to be praised. She should know that it is credited to Him, and that it was Him who is responsible.

Bentley does not talk enough about Jesus in his meetings,if those who are blessed in this way can be unclear.

Jesus being presumably responsible for the healing should have been drilled into Summer`s head again and again and again. She could have tried to figure out what happened, as she does here, but she should be able to recite why and how this happened as shared and taught from the front, even if she disagrees with it.

2. A miracle should lead to the preaching of the Gospel. Jesus did something even better for you, and now that we have your grateful attention…

3. A healing being either “wrong or right” addresses what the will of God in this case. Summer should not be led to think of this big question, when Todd Bentley as a non-cessationist charismatic, should properly believe that a healing leads to the preaching of the Gospel.

But when you have a bit of a show on your hands, some things have to be cut for time. Unfortunately.

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Todd Bentley on History Channel Canada

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(My main post on Todd Bentley’s appearance on History TV Canada June 1, 2 and 4.)

Todd Bentley, the noted faith-healing Canadian evangelist, was featured in a History TV Canada program in early June.

The second episode ever of Miracles Decoded, which featured Bentley along with the late Padre Pio and what the show describes as the “white witches” of Poland.
Not that it wasn’t a useful introduction to faith healing, which aired June 1, 2 and 4 for viewers across all of Canada. It was. But the wrinkle is this specific man who was featured. Todd Bentley, a native British Columbian now living and ministering in the US, who is in some ways is not typical, even of faith healers.

It would help viewers to have Bentley put into context. Once over lightly may mislead. So, what follows is a brief analysis of that episode for those who were unable to see it.

The Reno Outpouring site has pictures of the “History Channel” cameras at Bentley’s visit to the church in 2013. This probably means that Bentley was interviewed at that time for this episode. Others featured in the show may have been interviewed at that time as well. But the various “experts” are filmed on their own.

That doesn’t discount the possibility that a camera was sent down early *this* year to do interviews and re-enactments. So, if I make a reference to “2014″ it is to this obvious follow up work.

Throughout the how, there are references to “now” or “today”, so History Tv Canada was working on the assumption that things would carry on without change up until when the program aired.

I think that most of my readers missed the show, so here is my report on it, in some detail.

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People who live in glass houses shouldn’t star in documentaries

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Big thanks to blogger Peter T. Chattaway at Patheos, who brings us the latest news about Hillsong United.

Next Easter, Warner Brothers will release Hillsong: Let Hope Rise, a documentary concentrating on the worship band part of this church movement. Chattaway tells us all about it.

Bene D has written quite extensively about Hillsong. Such as their controversial ties to an Australian treatment center and the resulting fallout from that. How back in 2006. various bloggers in Australia perceived that not all was quite right with the churchh. How Australians feared that the church may have tried vote-stacking on the Australian Idol TV show.

I remember first reading about Tanya Levin at BDBO. In 2007, she wrote the book People Who Live in Glass Houses, published in Australia, giving her “with the bark off” perspective on feeling the need to leave Hillsong due to the problems she saw with the movement. I had to buy my copy of the book from a bookstore in Australia as it got relatively little attention in North America. People, like Bene D, who were following Hillsong, knew of the book, but the general public didn’t seem to pick up on it. There was a small flurry of press attention in Australia when Levin’s book came out, including this interview on an Australian TV program.

I’m reminded of the quote in several slightly different versions, attributed to several different people. I heard it as “A lie can get halfway around the world while truth is putting on its boots.”

People will see the happy-clappy documentary next year concentrating on the famed Hillsong music, and not look at the possible other side of the story, which you have to dig a bit to find.

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Todd Bentley’s first try to get a reality show, and the angel that missed the plane

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{The first part of what will probably be a lengthy post on Todd Bentley’s appearance on History TV Canada July 1, 2, and 4)

Did you know that the “Reno Outpouring featured on the recent episode of Miracles Decoded with Todd Bentley could have had its own TV reality show featuring Todd Bentley…back in 2010.

Would History TV Canada have smelled a rat had they known this when Bentley was filing with them?
Pastor Eric Moen of the “Reno Outpouring calls himself a “friend” of evangelist Todd Bentley and that helped him get some time on the episode of Miracles Decoded devoted to Bentley this month.

But had they did a little more research, I wonder if History TV Canada would have let Moen on the show.

Back in 2010, when Todd Bentley was trying to bring his ministry back from the dead, he and Moen developed a working relationship.

I first noticed Bentley’s work there when he tried to start a revival out of a local casino’s facilities.

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So much for sneaking into B.C….

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If Todd Bentley had been hoping to sneak into Langley B.C., that might not be happening now.

Douglas Todd, the veteran religion reporter for The Vancouver Sun, has noticed that Todd Bentley has announced his plans to minister in B.C. this week, for the first time in five years–or since the collapse of the Lakeland Revival–this week.

He has a detailed post on his blog, which you may see here.

And thanks to him for the kind hat tip. :)

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Saturday! In a steel cage! (Or Justin Peters on Todd Bentley)

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Expect lots of listeners for this (internet) CrossEncounters Radio episode. I’m hearing about it days before it is to air!

Tony Milano is scheduled to interview Justin Peters about his confrontation with Todd Bentley this Saturday. Here is a link to where it will be stored on the program’s website.

(Sorry about the headline. This reminds me of ads for All Star Wrestling when I was a kid. :) )

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“I’m NOT praying for you” doesn’t mean “Sometimes people don’t get healed.”

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Justin Peters’ confrontation with Todd Bentley, blogged about here a few days ago, appears to be  a story that “has legs” as we used to put it back in my old newsroom.

Latest on it is the Christian Post, which moves the story forward by quoting extensively from a video that Bentley has just cited on his website. Lots of talk about people not being healed, no matter what you try to do.

But sadly, this latest information helps to reveal that Todd Bentley hasn’t thought out his theology. He doesn’t act as if he believes it. So Justin Peters had to leave as he interfered with Todd Bentley’s “show.”

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Todd Bentley sneaks back in to British Columbia

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Todd Bentley is making a quick visit to his native British Columbia, the first quietly public activity here, since the collapse of the Lakeland Revival.

He grew up on B.C.’s Sunshine Coast and started his evangelism in the province. [Which led British Columbia Report to think him newsworthy and interesting way back in 2001].

But with Lakeland, the media here is now a bit, a little hip to Bentley. Which is why he’s coming back this way.

On June 25 2014 at 7 PM, he will be at Windword Church in the Vancouver suburb of Langley. That will be a public meeting for “restoration, healing and miracles”. Todd will also be meeting with “coffee and fellowship” that same morning at 10 A.M.

The public meeting is being pitched to the “Fraser Valley’, B.C.’s Bible Belt. Even when he lived in Abbotsford, Bentley would stay out in the Valley. Coming into Vancouver proper would be very rare for him.

Aha! Windword’s senior pastor is Brent Borthwick! Back in August 2011, he was helpful in the formal welcoming of Todd Bentley back into ministry. .

Bill Johnson noted that, at least at that time, Borthwick was the pastor of Shonnah Bentley, Todd’s starter wife.

Johnson wrote back then:

One of the more important contacts in this process has been with Brent Borthwick. He is Shonnah’s pastor. Brent is a trusted personal friend of mine and represents Todd’s ex-wife and kids with compassion and wisdom. He has spent time with Todd since his move to Morningstar and has affirmed that from his point of view, Todd is doing well. He also told me he was pleased at how much at peace Todd seemed to be. Brent’s perspective is important to me, for obvious reasons. He was also able to verify that Todd has taken care of Shonnah and the kids financially in an honorable way and continues to do so.

Expect Bentley to visit with Shonnah and his kids while he is in Langley.

[Having Bentley here would incidentally be useful for Bantley in this way. Langley is about an hour away from Vancouver, so I would guess that unless they are very determined, no reporters or cameras will show up. Back at the time of Lakeland, Vancouver's dailies, the Sun and Province, didn't cover Bentley until those editors realized that they had a local "hook" to the story which obliged them to write on it too.]

Thanks to Wolf Tracks for noticing this for me, which is a notice of how quiet this is. I *live* in the Lower Mainland and the first I heard of this was on that blog.

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